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Captain Tom Moore (ed. RIP)
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Legend...RIP Captain Sir Tom0
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Waterloo
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What a lovely man with a great attitude for life. His remark about there being a better day coming tomorrow (or similar) just brought a lump to my throat. Wisdom is in the hands of those that have lived a full life. The world is so much richer for our old folk. Covid had culled so many of our much loved elder statesmen and women (and the not so old Seb). A sad passing, but what a life and legacy. RIP Sir Tom2
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Dignified elders like Captain Tom do nothing but inspire me
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On tv yesterday there were people complaining that family were allowed to be with him in hospital whilst they were banned from being with their dying loved ones.0
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Today I heard him described as the nation's lovable grandfather, which I think is lovely.1
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Not an unreasonable view.MrOneLung said:On tv yesterday there were people complaining that family were allowed to be with him in hospital whilst they were banned from being with their dying loved ones.1 -
As mentioned above, it would be very fitting, in due course, to have a permanent statue of him erected somewhere in central London.0 -
Good Innings Old Boy, rest in peace1
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Let’s cheer and be thankful for a life well lived
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“I told you I was old”5
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Charity set up in Captain Sir Tom Moore's name 'tried to appoint his daughter as CEO on £150,000 salary before watchdog intervened'
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They have rather tarnished his legacy haven’t they3
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This is being investigated alongside the foundation paying his daughter and her husband rather large ‘expenses’, in fact it was actually more than it donated to charities.1
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Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry12
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Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry5 -
Depends what you mean by properly run. As in a business? yes, you’re probably right. Where the focus of what revenue received actually goes towards what people were donating towards and not to salaries, running costs, expenses etc, I’m more cynical.ME14addick said:
Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
Anyway, I’m detracting this a bit.8 -
Fundraising isn't easy and money has to be spent to get people to donate. Money doesn't flow into charities without a lot of very hard work.AFKABartram said:
Depends what you mean by properly run. As in a business? yes, you’re probably right. Where the focus of what revenue received actually goes towards what people were donating towards and not to salaries, running costs, expenses etc, I’m more cynical.ME14addick said:
Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
Anyway, I’m detracting this a bit.5 - Sponsored links:
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I've worked with a couple of charities in a voluntary capacity (never took a penny for any travel etc...) and you are correct to feel this way. It was very surprising.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
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Maybe she was giving up a comparable salary to do this and/or was bringing a lot of skills and experience but it does seem excessive in the circumstances and sullying her father's nameME14addick said:
Fundraising isn't easy and money has to be spent to get people to donate. Money doesn't flow into charities without a lot of very hard work.AFKABartram said:
Depends what you mean by properly run. As in a business? yes, you’re probably right. Where the focus of what revenue received actually goes towards what people were donating towards and not to salaries, running costs, expenses etc, I’m more cynical.ME14addick said:
Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
Anyway, I’m detracting this a bit.4 -
Going to hold off making any assumptions until there’s more info…..I personally think it makes sense not to jump to any conclusions.
In the first instance the entire family came across as being such a solid and honest bunch, I just can’t believe there’s anything underhand going on as the rest of the family would surely be outraged.
I very much hope there’s a reasonable explanation.🤞🤞🤞3 -
Like you, won’t pass judgement until the truth comes out. However, I had a completely opposite perception on his daughter and family.SoundAsa£ said:Going to hold off making any assumptions until there’s more info…..I personally think it makes sense not to jump to any conclusions.
In the first instance the entire family came across as being such a solid and honest bunch, I just can’t believe there’s anything underhand going on as the rest of the family would surely be outraged.
I very much hope there’s a reasonable explanation.🤞🤞🤞8 -
Or it’s The Daily Mail, where you took the headline from, which is sullying his name...and his daughter’s.PrincessFiona said:
Maybe she was giving up a comparable salary to do this and/or was bringing a lot of skills and experience but it does seem excessive in the circumstances and sullying her father's nameME14addick said:
Fundraising isn't easy and money has to be spent to get people to donate. Money doesn't flow into charities without a lot of very hard work.AFKABartram said:
Depends what you mean by properly run. As in a business? yes, you’re probably right. Where the focus of what revenue received actually goes towards what people were donating towards and not to salaries, running costs, expenses etc, I’m more cynical.ME14addick said:
Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
Anyway, I’m detracting this a bit.0 -
If it is true, then they are just reporting the situation. Maybe there is a valid explanation, but £150,000 seems a lot and why the 'watchdog intervened'Cloudworm said:
Or it’s The Daily Mail, where you took the headline from, which is sullying his name...and his daughter’s.PrincessFiona said:
Maybe she was giving up a comparable salary to do this and/or was bringing a lot of skills and experience but it does seem excessive in the circumstances and sullying her father's nameME14addick said:
Fundraising isn't easy and money has to be spent to get people to donate. Money doesn't flow into charities without a lot of very hard work.AFKABartram said:
Depends what you mean by properly run. As in a business? yes, you’re probably right. Where the focus of what revenue received actually goes towards what people were donating towards and not to salaries, running costs, expenses etc, I’m more cynical.ME14addick said:
Most charities are properly run, don't let the very few bad apples cloud your thinking.AFKABartram said:Don’t know the story here so won’t judge, but realised a few years ago there are huge things wrong with the charity sector imo.Really saddens me that I feel so cynical and untrusting in the industry
Anyway, I’m detracting this a bit.
Being reported elsewhere too https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/captain-tom-foundation-charity-daughter-b2018320.html
https://public.uk.com/2022/02/18/captain-tom-charity-tried-to-appoint-daughter-as-ceo-on-six-figure-salary/
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As a trustee of a registered charity who gets paid nothing, not even expenses, I can absolutely see the value in having paid staff to do jobs.
They can commit proper time to it and bring in skills and experience that trustees and volunteers may not have.
Most paid staff in charities are needed to deliver the service so that IS what people donated for.
Do some people in some charities see it as a gravy train? Sure, but most charity staff aren't well paid.
And as we see in this case there is regulation that at least tries to stop abuses.
That doesn't, from what I see, justify £150k pa in this case but we don't have all the facts.
I'd be more annoyed about bonuses for bankers in banks we, the public, bailed out or water bosses and shareholders taking huge bonuses and dividends after polluting our rivers.
And don't even mention PPE or track and trace11 -
As a trustee and deputy chairman of a charity I endorse Henry's comments6
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Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.1 -
I guess it depends what value they add, the market rate etc0
