Maybe, but a player may have decided to train even though he has told Bows he does not want to risk playing at this moment in time, but is going to see how the testing goes and may reconsider at a later point.
Maybe, but a player may have decided to train even though he has told Bows he does not want to risk playing at this moment in time, but is going to see how the testing goes and may reconsider at a later point.
I get that, but the point is 3 players haven't returned to training, thats who we are trying to figure out
We know 1 is Davies and according to sage, Bowyer has now said the other 2 are out of contract players
We've paid Sarr enough money over 5 years for him to retire. If his sole reason for not coming back is purely around not risking injury with an expiring contract that disapoints me. Others who's contracts are expiring and would have been on far less seem to be coming back.
Using a list I found on here and removing loans lets see if we can work it out discounting who we have seen
Goalkeepers
Ben Amos 2020 plus 1 year option
Right Backs
Chris Solly 2020 Adam Matthews 2020
Centre Backs
Naby Sarr 2020
Left Backs
Lewis Page 2020
Central Midfielders
Jake Forster-Caskey 2020
Albie Morgan contract length not known
Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
Jonny Williams 2020 plus 1 year option Alfie Doughty - contract length not known
Strikers
Lyle Taylor 2020
Tomer Hemed 2020 Josh Davison - 2020
Alfie, Morgan, and JFC are all in training. Think JFC posted something the other day on his insta saying it's good to be back.
Albie is out of contract at the end of the year I believe, which is very concerning for me. But then again, most players are out of contract at the end of the year and they're all a worry.
Also, you could scrub laundry on Hemed's stomach. The man is a specimen.
We really need Naby and Matthews back. Keep in mind this was just the preliminary week. It's very possible more players will trickle in IF it's shown that this is safe.
So with the new test and trace -if one player is possitive with symptoms then surely all his team mates any opposing players will have to self isolate for 14 days or am I missing something?
Not necessarily. Because Championship clubs have access to testing twice a week, once results come back, you should know who in the squad has it and who doesn't. @Sage says it's about a 1-2 day turnaround on testing results. That part is concerning for when it comes to contact training, because it means that it could spread within a squad in those two days.
But, given the frequency of the testing, you should at least be able to catch it, or "Trace it," pretty quickly.
Now, imagine if the entire country had access to that level of testing akin to South Korea (it wouldn't be necessary for everyone, but you get my point).
Once contact training starts I expect the numbers will go up. The problem is, players get it from just doing their grocery shopping. The virus hasn't been eliminated in the country. So I think they're probably going to need to put strict self-quarantine in effect for players for the next month or two. Basically, training ground, home, and matches. Same for staff. You could still get it from a teammate/colleague or family member, but it would reduce exposure.
So with the new test and trace -if one player is possitive with symptoms then surely all his team mates any opposing players will have to self isolate for 14 days or am I missing something?
Not necessarily. Because Championship clubs have access to testing twice a week, once results come back, you should know who in the squad has it and who doesn't. @Sage says it's about a 1-2 day turnaround on testing results. That part is concerning for when it comes to contact training, because it means that it could spread within a squad in those two days.
But, given the frequency of the testing, you should at least be able to catch it, or "Trace it," pretty quickly.
Now, imagine if the entire country had access to that level of testing akin to South Korea (it wouldn't be necessary for everyone, but you get my point).
Once contact training starts I expect the numbers will go up. The problem is, players get it from just doing their grocery shopping. The virus hasn't been eliminated in the country. So I think they're probably going to need to put strict self-quarantine in effect for players for the next month or two. Basically, training ground, home, and matches. Same for staff. You could still get it from a teammate/colleague or family member, but it would reduce exposure.
It wouldn't be a problem if the players didnt go home on between training. It was mooted on here a month or so ago that it should be treated like a World Cup. All players stay together in a hotel & it wouldnt matter do much. The Preston player said that he felt fine & was amazed that he tested positive. Fit men under the age of 35 seem to been immune to the symptoms. Very very few people under the age of 40 who have no underlying health problems have been ill from Covid-19.
Using a list I found on here and removing loans lets see if we can work it out discounting who we have seen
Goalkeepers
Ben Amos 2020 plus 1 year option
Right Backs
Chris Solly 2020 Adam Matthews 2020
Centre Backs
Naby Sarr 2020
Left Backs
Lewis Page 2020
Central Midfielders
Jake Forster-Caskey 2020
Albie Morgan contract length not known
Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
Jonny Williams 2020 plus 1 year option Alfie Doughty - contract length not known
Strikers
Lyle Taylor 2020
Tomer Hemed 2020 Josh Davison - 2020
Alfie, Morgan, and JFC are all in training. Think JFC posted something the other day on his insta saying it's good to be back.
Albie is out of contract at the end of the year I believe, which is very concerning for me. But then again, most players are out of contract at the end of the year and they're all a worry.
Also, you could scrub laundry on Hemed's stomach. The man is a specimen.
We really need Naby and Matthews back. Keep in mind this was just the preliminary week. It's very possible more players will trickle in IF it's shown that this is safe.
Id be surprised if Solly is reluctant, he's part of the furniture at Charlton - Amos would be another surprise as he does have the option of an extension so does have a bit of security
Both Amos and Matthews have had injury troubles this season so wont be surprised if it is them that are reluctant to play without a safety net
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Is Matthews back?
Not allowed near the training ground so no idea.
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Is Matthews back?
Not allowed near the training ground so no idea.
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Based on that and with the ones already crossed of the list, it looks like its 2 from
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Piss poor attitude if you ask me. These two are being paid to do f all at the moment and expect to be paid more despite being under contract to work. Surely, they are in breach of contract?
There seems little point in trying to get them to play with this attitude anyway. Just cancel what's left of their contracts.
Using a list I found on here and removing loans lets see if we can work it out discounting who we have seen
Goalkeepers
Ben Amos 2020 plus 1 year option
Right Backs
Chris Solly 2020 Adam Matthews 2020
Centre Backs
Naby Sarr 2020
Left Backs
Lewis Page 2020
Central Midfielders
Jake Forster-Caskey 2020
Albie Morgan contract length not known
Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
Jonny Williams 2020 plus 1 year option Alfie Doughty - contract length not known
Strikers
Lyle Taylor 2020
Tomer Hemed 2020 Josh Davison - 2020
Alfie, Morgan, and JFC are all in training. Think JFC posted something the other day on his insta saying it's good to be back.
Albie is out of contract at the end of the year I believe, which is very concerning for me. But then again, most players are out of contract at the end of the year and they're all a worry.
Also, you could scrub laundry on Hemed's stomach. The man is a specimen.
We really need Naby and Matthews back. Keep in mind this was just the preliminary week. It's very possible more players will trickle in IF it's shown that this is safe.
Id be surprised if Solly is reluctant, he's part of the furniture at Charlton - Amos would be another surprise as he does have the option of an extension so does have a bit of security
Both Amos and Matthews have had injury troubles this season so wont be surprised if it is them that are reluctant to play without a safety net
I'm confused would you be surprised about Amos or not?!
Using a list I found on here and removing loans lets see if we can work it out discounting who we have seen
Goalkeepers
Ben Amos 2020 plus 1 year option
Right Backs
Chris Solly 2020 Adam Matthews 2020
Centre Backs
Naby Sarr 2020
Left Backs
Lewis Page 2020
Central Midfielders
Jake Forster-Caskey 2020
Albie Morgan contract length not known
Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
Jonny Williams 2020 plus 1 year option Alfie Doughty - contract length not known
Strikers
Lyle Taylor 2020
Tomer Hemed 2020 Josh Davison - 2020
Alfie, Morgan, and JFC are all in training. Think JFC posted something the other day on his insta saying it's good to be back.
Albie is out of contract at the end of the year I believe, which is very concerning for me. But then again, most players are out of contract at the end of the year and they're all a worry.
Also, you could scrub laundry on Hemed's stomach. The man is a specimen.
We really need Naby and Matthews back. Keep in mind this was just the preliminary week. It's very possible more players will trickle in IF it's shown that this is safe.
Id be surprised if Solly is reluctant, he's part of the furniture at Charlton - Amos would be another surprise as he does have the option of an extension so does have a bit of security
Both Amos and Matthews have had injury troubles this season so wont be surprised if it is them that are reluctant to play without a safety net
I'm confused would you be surprised about Amos or not?!
We've paid Sarr enough money over 5 years for him to retire. If his sole reason for not coming back is purely around not risking injury with an expiring contract that disapoints me. Others who's contracts are expiring and would have been on far less seem to be coming back.
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Is Matthews back?
Not allowed near the training ground so no idea.
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Based on that and with the ones already crossed of the list, it looks like its 2 from
We've paid Sarr enough money over 5 years for him to retire. If his sole reason for not coming back is purely around not risking injury with an expiring contract that disapoints me. Others who's contracts are expiring and would have been on far less seem to be coming back.
has he invested it wisely?
is it enough to support him for next 45 years?
Are you sure his wages in last 5 years are sufficient?
If I can jump in and answer the last three;
- No, I believe he has taken advice from Golfie
- Definitely not - a minus return is worse than no return
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Is Matthews back?
Not allowed near the training ground so no idea.
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Based on that and with the ones already crossed of the list, it looks like its 2 from
Sarr Matthews Solly
Who are with Davies in not not training
Cant see it being Solly
....or Field.
Field is a loan signing
If it was Field Bowyer would have just said that like he did with Davies.
The fact he has just said the other 2 are out of contract players in the summer tells you its not loan players, which is why I ruled them out
Out of the three who haven’t returned, one is Davis due to not wanting to come back to London, the other two Bowyer has said are out of contract in July and don’t want to risk being injured. So who are these other 2, one potentially being Sarr?
Is Matthews back?
Not allowed near the training ground so no idea.
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Based on that and with the ones already crossed of the list, it looks like its 2 from
Sarr Matthews Solly
Who are with Davies in not not training
Cant see it being Solly
....or Field.
Field is a loan signing
If it was Field Bowyer would have just said that like he did with Davies.
The fact he has just said the other 2 are out of contract players in the summer tells you its not loan players, which is why I ruled them out
And Bowyer said he is taking to WBA about Field.
Fwiw I reckon its Matthews. Shame if it is because I thought he's been our best right back this season.
Amos is definitely training. My mate, who lives on sparrows Lane, sent me a picture of him and who I believe is Jake Forster-Caskey having a coffee on a bench outside a cafe.
So with the new test and trace -if one player is possitive with symptoms then surely all his team mates any opposing players will have to self isolate for 14 days or am I missing something?
Not necessarily. Because Championship clubs have access to testing twice a week, once results come back, you should know who in the squad has it and who doesn't. @Sage says it's about a 1-2 day turnaround on testing results. That part is concerning for when it comes to contact training, because it means that it could spread within a squad in those two days.
But, given the frequency of the testing, you should at least be able to catch it, or "Trace it," pretty quickly.
Now, imagine if the entire country had access to that level of testing akin to South Korea (it wouldn't be necessary for everyone, but you get my point).
Once contact training starts I expect the numbers will go up. The problem is, players get it from just doing their grocery shopping. The virus hasn't been eliminated in the country. So I think they're probably going to need to put strict self-quarantine in effect for players for the next month or two. Basically, training ground, home, and matches. Same for staff. You could still get it from a teammate/colleague or family member, but it would reduce exposure.
It wouldn't be a problem if the players didnt go home on between training. It was mooted on here a month or so ago that it should be treated like a World Cup. All players stay together in a hotel & it wouldnt matter do much. The Preston player said that he felt fine & was amazed that he tested positive. Fit men under the age of 35 seem to been immune to the symptoms. Very very few people under the age of 40 who have no underlying health problems have been ill from Covid-19.
You're absolutely right, this is how it should have been done. Costs are prohibitive, as is players' desire to be away from family. But there was initially talk of doing this for baseball here (using Spring Training fields), it's the safest way to do the thing. The problem obviously being cost and logistics. But it would reduce a tremendous number of variables. You could set up no contact delivery of food and anything else players needed, etc.
But lets be honest, player safety isn't the biggest concern in all this, it's money.
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We know 1 is Davies and according to sage, Bowyer has now said the other 2 are out of contract players
Albie is out of contract at the end of the year I believe, which is very concerning for me. But then again, most players are out of contract at the end of the year and they're all a worry.
Also, you could scrub laundry on Hemed's stomach. The man is a specimen.
Haven't seen: Sarr, Davidson, Amos, Matthews, Solly.
We really need Naby and Matthews back. Keep in mind this was just the preliminary week. It's very possible more players will trickle in IF it's shown that this is safe.
But, given the frequency of the testing, you should at least be able to catch it, or "Trace it," pretty quickly.
Now, imagine if the entire country had access to that level of testing akin to South Korea (it wouldn't be necessary for everyone, but you get my point).
Once contact training starts I expect the numbers will go up. The problem is, players get it from just doing their grocery shopping. The virus hasn't been eliminated in the country. So I think they're probably going to need to put strict self-quarantine in effect for players for the next month or two. Basically, training ground, home, and matches. Same for staff. You could still get it from a teammate/colleague or family member, but it would reduce exposure.
Both Amos and Matthews have had injury troubles this season so wont be surprised if it is them that are reluctant to play without a safety net
Pretty sure Amos would be back in training, 3 goalkeepers have been training, so unless the other two are young leaving only Phillips, I would be surprised.
I am also unsure whether Morgan and Doughty are out of contract this summer. Something tells me both have a deal until 2021. Both though are 100% in training.
Sarr
Matthews
Solly
Who are with Davies in not not training
Cant see it being Solly
AirBnB?
There seems little point in trying to get them to play with this attitude anyway. Just cancel what's left of their contracts.
How much have we paid him then?
how much taken home after tax ?
has he invested it wisely?
is it enough to support him for next 45 years?
Are you sure his wages in last 5 years are sufficient?
- No, I believe he has taken advice from Golfie
- Definitely not - a minus return is worse than no return
- They should have been ......
If it was Field Bowyer would have just said that like he did with Davies.
The fact he has just said the other 2 are out of contract players in the summer tells you its not loan players, which is why I ruled them out
Fwiw I reckon its Matthews. Shame if it is because I thought he's been our best right back this season.
But lets be honest, player safety isn't the biggest concern in all this, it's money.
will have to be 2 games a week to keep that schedule