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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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Pardon my ignorance of the EFL rules (assuming they’re not made up as the season goes along - cos that’s what it feels like) but if we are not allowed to compete next season what happens to us? Do we drop out of the leagues completely and have to work our way back in or do we automatically drop to League Two? 😳Cafc43v3r said:
The 1st part can't happen, the second looks increasing likley.LargeAddick said:
I'm worried that the EFL will find a way to dock us points because we can't find anyone since January who can prove source and sufficiency of funding. If we can't provide that going forward I'd say there is a chance they won't let us compete next season.oohaahmortimer said:Can we name who owns us and have they given the EFL what they require in the last 7 months0 -
Not this again .....addick1956 said:
Good luck with that....and if they do watch out for the abuse of ungrateful CARD holders who wanted Roland out that led to this...and the revenge is not over yet. With Covid , who will by into football ?Markg2004 said:
More attractive to crooks i would also believe.siblers said:Even if Wednesday were deducted, I'd really fear for us next season in the championship with the owner situation, obviously being in the Championship will make the club more attractive to buyers but trying to get in players for the start of the season would be very difficult
PV and AB have said League One doesn't affect them. They just need to know who owns CAFC from the EFL.2 -
No apology needed from anyone fellacafcfan1990 said:
I was one of those who has dug you out. Your one of the most optimistic fans on here and it sometimes borders insanity.ForeverAddickted said:
lol! Wondered how long it would take - Apologies for believing in my club and sticking by the playersbolloxbolder said:
Like your we are staying up bollocks you are wrong here. They are appealing the independent panel two points deduction as they feel it is not severe enough/ForeverAddickted said:
But as we saw with Macclesfield, they make up their points deduction penalties as they go alongTodds_right_hook said:
They have set a precedence with Birmingham last year. Macclesfields case was completely different.....I say in desperationForeverAddickted said:
EFL will give them an eight point deduction then so we go down on Goal DifferenceWHAddick said:Don’t we ‘only’ need a massives 9 points deduction...surely possible.
They've not relegated Maccesfield for off field issues, they wont do it to Wednesday too
Dont worry I'll take all the comments on the chin about not giving up on survival unlike everyone else who predicted relegation a long time agoHowever, you deserve no criticism for keeping the faith and backing Bows/players. So apologies for any little tiffs we had, you don’t deserve any shit for it.
Football is an emotional game and can get the better of us all
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Is that 20 senior pros as that's the size of most L1 squads anyway?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Also read that they will be limited to a playing squad of 20 next season and have a 2 year transfer ban.MuttleyCAFC said:Wigan can't win their appeal and won't. It does genuinely sadden me to say that, but administration has a penalty everybody understands and it needs to remain so. I feel a brotherhood with them as we are both clubs fcuked up by cnuts.
Assume that means banned from paying a fee though, as they'd have to be allowed loans and free transfers.1 -
Why is that? - Never known the two year transfer ban to be part of the Administration punishment?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Also read that they will be limited to a playing squad of 20 next season and have a 2 year transfer ban.MuttleyCAFC said:Wigan can't win their appeal and won't. It does genuinely sadden me to say that, but administration has a penalty everybody understands and it needs to remain so. I feel a brotherhood with them as we are both clubs fcuked up by cnuts.
Assume that means banned from paying a fee though, as they'd have to be allowed loans and free transfers.1 -
Just a small comparison,Sheff Wed were charged in November,8 months ago,The Neurenberg Trials only lasted 10 months.29
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Not sure, i was surprised by it too but it's what their administrator said.ForeverAddickted said:
Why is that? - Never known the two year transfer ban to be part of the Administration punishment?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Also read that they will be limited to a playing squad of 20 next season and have a 2 year transfer ban.MuttleyCAFC said:Wigan can't win their appeal and won't. It does genuinely sadden me to say that, but administration has a penalty everybody understands and it needs to remain so. I feel a brotherhood with them as we are both clubs fcuked up by cnuts.
Assume that means banned from paying a fee though, as they'd have to be allowed loans and free transfers.
2 year ban which remains even if they win the points appeal. Bizarre.1 -
Guess its a further rule that stops clubs from using it as an excuse just to wipe clear some debtChris_from_Sidcup said:
Not sure, i was surprised by it too but it's what their administrator said.ForeverAddickted said:
Why is that? - Never known the two year transfer ban to be part of the Administration punishment?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Also read that they will be limited to a playing squad of 20 next season and have a 2 year transfer ban.MuttleyCAFC said:Wigan can't win their appeal and won't. It does genuinely sadden me to say that, but administration has a penalty everybody understands and it needs to remain so. I feel a brotherhood with them as we are both clubs fcuked up by cnuts.
Assume that means banned from paying a fee though, as they'd have to be allowed loans and free transfers.
2 year ban which remains even if they win the points appeal. Bizarre.0 -
ForeverAddickted said:
Guess its a further rule that stops clubs from using it as an excuse just to wipe clear some debtChris_from_Sidcup said:
Not sure, i was surprised by it too but it's what their administrator said.ForeverAddickted said:
Why is that? - Never known the two year transfer ban to be part of the Administration punishment?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Also read that they will be limited to a playing squad of 20 next season and have a 2 year transfer ban.MuttleyCAFC said:Wigan can't win their appeal and won't. It does genuinely sadden me to say that, but administration has a penalty everybody understands and it needs to remain so. I feel a brotherhood with them as we are both clubs fcuked up by cnuts.
Assume that means banned from paying a fee though, as they'd have to be allowed loans and free transfers.
2 year ban which remains even if they win the points appeal. Bizarre.
Also I don't think it's in the rules as part of a punishment so not sure why it's been applied
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It's surely punishing a club twice for the same thing though.
I assume they'll be able to sign free transfers and loans though as otherwise they won't have a squad. Pretty sure it just means they can't sign players for a transfer fee, but not many clubs in league one pay fees for players these days anyway.2 -
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Not to mention the free transfer market is surely going to have plenty of gems in it this summer!!Chris_from_Sidcup said:It's surely punishing a club twice for the same thing though.
I assume they'll be able to sign free transfers and loans though as otherwise they won't have a squad. Pretty sure it just means they can't sign players for a transfer fee, but not many clubs in league one pay fees for players these days anyway.
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But if you've gone into administration because you're "broke" it doesn't look very good if you immediately start splashing the cash as soon as you have your debts written off.Chris_from_Sidcup said:It's surely punishing a club twice for the same thing though.
I assume they'll be able to sign free transfers and loans though as otherwise they won't have a squad. Pretty sure it just means they can't sign players for a transfer fee, but not many clubs in league one pay fees for players these days anyway.
Imagine that you're a business that's just lost thousands of pounds because a football club has only settled up, at best, a few pence in the pound after going into administration. How would you feel if, a couple of months later, that same football club goes out and spends hundreds of thousands on a new player whilst you're struggling to survive?2 -
We're going to be reinstated aren't we? PV and AB takeover, buy the ground and we'll be challenging for Europe within 3 years!19
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Just can't see it being applied this season. Especially if they can appeal, it will just create a headache for the EFL, I think it will be next season that they will get the deduction2
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Can you imagine Wigan's deduction being rescinded and Barnsley being relegated instead after the euphoria of last night for them? Would be a fucking disgrace.sammy391 said:
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Nah!!BigRedEvil said:We're going to be reinstated aren't we? PV and AB takeover, buy the ground and we'll be challenging for Europe within 3 years!0 -
siblers said:Just can't see it being applied this season. Especially if they can appeal, it will just create a headache for the EFL, I think it will be next season that they will get the deduction
Ok they stay in the Championship for now. If after their appeal they are still found guilty then it's a two division relegation and no further appeals.0 -
The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.8 -
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Did the Football League also sign off recording the sale in an earlier financial year than when the transaction took place?operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.6 -
If both get a points deduction for next season, it makes relegation all the worse as we'd have had an immediate head start on them
Ifs and buts and all that but still
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Beat me to it. Any response to this from a Wednesday fan? Seems pretty cut and dry to me.Briston_Addick said:
Did the Football League also sign off recording the sale in an earlier financial year than when the transaction took place?operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.0 -
Of course they will bottle outLeeds_Addick said:3 -
That is an extreme over simplification of events. It sounds like a criminal act to me (pushing a sale into a previous accounting year). But, not to worry the EFL are dragging their heels from last November, and will move the punishment into next season.operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'1 -
Do you know exactly when the transaction took place ?Briston_Addick said:
Did the Football League also sign off recording the sale in an earlier financial year than when the transaction took place?operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.
If the club has had the sale, date, times, colour of paint on doors approved and an email confirming it what more can the club do?
Whilst I do not like our current owner one bit if he has provided everything that was asked and an email back rubber stamping it - and then the EFL has had another re think due to objections from outside parties then sorry the blame lies with the inept lot that talks about betting scandals with fans on the street.0 -
Just checking but if we lose players to relegation release clauses and the EFL then apply a deduction to Wednesday - Do our departed players have to return?4
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Your club is a disgrace to football. The valuation, back dating the sale, sponsorship from sham companies. Your club are cheats, and there is nothing lower than that in sport.operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.
Every game you have played this season you have effectively cheated as without fiddling you would not have been able to buy and pay all those players. The “email” does not change anything. No doubt your club will continue to sponsor itself with false companies.Your shirts are sponsored by a company set up by your owner and has less than £60. Another sham by your owner. Are your fans not ashamed to wear replicas?9 -
Not sure we can be digging out other fans for having dodgy owners...19
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According to SWFC accounts it took place before the company that purchased it even existed.operationpig said:
Do you know exactly when the transaction took place ?Briston_Addick said:
Did the Football League also sign off recording the sale in an earlier financial year than when the transaction took place?operationpig said:The EFL are not fit for perpose, they signed it off, they even sent an email to the club that we could 'go ahead' with the transfer of the sale yet after a few objections from Barnsley and Middlesboro they started to have a 're-think'
The Wigan fiasco shows what state the game is in, its a joke.
Comiserations on your relegation that must have been a bitter pill to swallow that and I'm sure you will be back soon.
If the club has had the sale, date, times, colour of paint on doors approved and an email confirming it what more can the club do?
Whilst I do not like our current owner one bit if he has provided everything that was asked and an email back rubber stamping it - and then the EFL has had another re think due to objections from outside parties then sorry the blame lies with the inept lot that talks about betting scandals with fans on the street.
Remind us, who provided the valuation for Hillsborough as well?
Have you seen this email that 'rubber stamped' the deal? Was it a formal approval of a sale of the stadium backdated to a previous years accounts from someone high up on EFL Governance? Or was it from Sid in accounts?3
