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ESI 1 v ESI 2 - Initial Hearing 01-02/09/2020, Court of Appeal 17/09/2020 (p127)

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  • So just what was LD's case for appeal then? - Other than repeating that Pearce was wrong in denying the injunction?
    In a nutshell that Judge Pearce paid way too much weight to the damages an injuction would cause to the Club & Community. There is no real substance to be honest he's just a good attacking lawyer, I'd be astonished if the judges side with him unless they wholly feel Pearce had the wrong approach entirely.
  • Chaisty notes that Pearce said history of the club is something he can take into account. No precedent for taking into account third party interests, he says. Not a public interest case, just parties interested in the outcome.
    That's the case in a nutshell. 

    Doesnt matter about what's owned by ESI (the club) just who owns it.
    Chaisty is surely making an error here. CAFC aren't a third party, they are the primary and only asset of PM. If the judges are forced to ignore the club, then maybe they should ask Chaisty what else about PM it is they want to buy? If the club is such an irrelevance, then what else about PM is so desirable that an injunction against it's sale is necessary?
    This all day long.

    Feel I want to be one of the juniors in the team that you see handing notes to the bigwigs. Someone pass this on to Kreamer theres a good chap.
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    And in the red,
    There's nothing in this game,
    For 2 in a bed
  • What does that mean 
    It means an appeal court cannot reopen the entire situation and start again - it is assessing the appropriateness and reasonableness of the original judgment, not the whole matter.

    Yeah but the fact is that the 2 are inextricably linked, aren't they? One led to the other.
  • LK: evidence of Gallen has been filed and responded to by Elliott, so appellant has had that opportunity. LJ Lewison doesn't want to hear argument on that point.
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  • LK is like a boxer using their jab as a range finder, waiting patiently to let go with a right hand over the top of a gradually lowering guard.

  • Kreamer says the court of appeals shouldn’t consider the evidence fresh. Should be deciding whether the decision of the lower court was “clearly wrong” #cafc
  • So just what was LD's case for appeal then? - Other than repeating that Pearce was wrong in denying the injunction?
    Yes basically. 
  • meldrew66 said:
    What does that mean 
    It means an appeal court cannot reopen the entire situation and start again - it is assessing the appropriateness and reasonableness of the original judgment, not the whole matter.

    Yeah but the fact is that the 2 are inextricably linked, aren't they? One led to the other.
    Yes and no. You can't start again at appeal. LD lost at first instance on one point. The question is was the decision on that point wrong. Given the point involves a high degree of discretion it is very hard to argue a judge invalidly exercised his discretion unless he clearly and wrongly over-prioritised the importance of some factors and under-prioritised others.
  • So like VAR? Only clear and obvious errors
    Good way of putting it. Although I'd say the review system in cricket is a better analogy with the unpire/judge allowed some leeway.
  • So according to the "authorities" (case law?) LK is quoting, the judges can't overrule Pearce unless they feel he overstepped his generous scope of discretion, even if they would have used that discretion differently. 
  • Kreamer says the court of appeals shouldn’t consider the evidence fresh. Should be deciding whether the decision of the lower court was “clearly wrong” #cafc

    I just hope these are not 2 pompous elderly, male so-and-so's who won't appreciate being lectured to/at by a young, female barrister.
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    So like VAR? Only clear and obvious errors
    Or umpires call in cricket. Pearce gave Lex out LBW, and as the replay shows the ball flicking the bails, Pearce's decisions stands...

    Ideally anyway
  • LJ Lewison asking whether damages would be adequate to Panorama Magic if Lex Dominus obtained an injunction but lost the case.
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  • Chunes said:
    So according to the "authorities" (case law?) LK is quoting, the judges can't overrule Pearce unless they feel he overstepped his generous scope of discretion, even if they would have used that discretion differently. 
    Yep - authorities are other cases. This point is absolutely standard in the Court of Appeal and is very, very well-established. 
  • Back to Mihail's evidence about consequences now. LK argues that is valid hypothesis. LJ Lewison says question of law is whether damages would be adequate if claim ultimately fails.
  • LJ Males doesn't understand how Mihail's evidence could have been compiled before the claim became clear.
  • So like VAR? Only clear and obvious errors
    Or umpires call in cricket. Pearce gave Lex out LBW, and as the replay shows the ball flicking the bails, Pearce's decisions stands...

    Ideally anyway
    In that case they would retain their review, we don't want another review!  :#
  • Jints said:
    So like VAR? Only clear and obvious errors
    Good way of putting it. Although I'd say the review system in cricket is a better analogy with the unpire/judge allowed some leeway.
    Just hope it's "judges call" when we get to ball tracking then. 
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