I don't get why so many people have chips on their shoulders about players leaving us. Doughty is the only player in our current line up who hasn't come from another club. That is the way of the world now. There is no loyalty simply because clubs can't afford to offer the security of long term contracts and whether we like it or not the likes of Taylor and Bonne are playing for clubs at a higher level.
We have been equally guilty, in the past where we have been the "bigger" club, of "stealing" players for next to nothing, But that was OK because it was us doing the "stealing". We got £2m for Bonne and it is possible that we were the ones who committed the crime in selling dodgy goods! Equally, what's he meant to say on joining his new club " I really didn't want to leave Charlton but they thought they would cash in on me even though I'm not worth that much!!!"
It’s already been explained that it’s the shitty comments that give people negative memories of players.
"His head was turned". Well it was wasn't it? It's his way of saying how much he is looking forward to playing for QPR. Perhaps he shouldn't have said in that particular way given that we are so sensitive.
But we got £2m for a player who is not absolutely proven at that level and who was not guaranteed to get us 20 goals at this level simply because of the way LB sets his team up to play - 5 shots on target (and 5 goals) in the last 3 games suggests that you need a player who will bring more of an all round game than a poacher's instinct because we actually create so little. LB even turned on him via the media because of his misses but also because the reality is that we have to make the most of the few chances we get.
Bonne apologised for what he said yet people still want him to fail and can't forgive or forget. Or accept that the money we got for him gave us more financial stability. We didn't get a penny for Lockyer after all but because he kept his mouth and say how much he was looking forward to the step up to playing for Luton that he is a modern day saint by comparison. And Luton are a step up whether we like it or not because they weren't relegated and currently sit in 9th place in the Championship. Although some people still insist that he isn't good enough for that League too.
The negativity about Bonne is getting a little over the top. I don't think he should be leading the line even in league one and I wouldn't want him to start too many games if he did end up playing for us again. That said he has enough about him to be effective as an impact sub and with the right partner he could be successful as a second striker.
Don't get all the hatred for Bonne. He was okay for us and we sold him for £2m.
Not sure what QPR fans were expecting?
I guess the negativity is down to the fact that Bonne obviously thinks QPR are far bigger than Charlton. That might have been reasonable in the 70s but not historically and not now, despite the difference in current levels.
They're in the Championship, we're in L1. Thus this season, they're bigger than us
The negativity about Bonne is getting a little over the top. I don't think he should be leading the line even in league one and I wouldn't want him to start too many games if he did end up playing for us again. That said he has enough about him to be effective as an impact sub and with the right partner he could be successful as a second striker.
Notice Lockyer isn't getting the same stick. I think some are a little peeved he's gone because it appears we've got very little up top. I wasn't a huge fan, and we've all heard the stories of his agent being a bit of a prick, but I think the hate towards him is a bit strong
I agree, the Lockyer thread hardly gets any comments. He left us for the mighty Luton, exercising a clause so that we got nothing.
Sorry, but that's nonsense, they are currently more successful than us, doesn't make bigger.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
Am I really the only one who would take him? Not necessarily be number one - I'd rather have Chuks - but I think he'd look a lot better in this side compared to the one we had/were playing with when he was still here. Think he'd bag a few.
No, I completely agree with you. Including the bit about Chuks. Bogle hasn't been an improvement yet. But I don't think he is fully up to speed fitness wise. I'd have Bogle on -1 goals for us as if he hadn't touched the Innes goal against Blackpool it wouldn't have been chalked off. But I can see how Bogle can work for us, but not going to say it is until it actually does.
Be interested to check when in the timeline of this season did QPR's interest in Bonne started. I'd take him back on loan in January if it meant his head was in the game for us.
But it'll never happen, QPR are more likely to recall Smyth than they are to send Bonne to us. And now he's done all the stages of the break-up with our fan base, it'd probably be too awkward anyway. Hopefully we'll have some room in January to try for Schwartz again.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
Am I really the only one who would take him? Not necessarily be number one - I'd rather have Chuks - but I think he'd look a lot better in this side compared to the one we had/were playing with when he was still here. Think he'd bag a few.
I'd have him in the team for sure, with Washington Bogle Chucks and the improved service I would expect him to get a few and I think that is the process that he was signed up for in the first place - to learn among more experienced players. He would be a greatly improved player by the end of the season.
I remember the game where he told Gallagher that if he went for a ball in the air, be prepared to run on if he won the header, which he did and Gallagher ran on and scored, brilliant, cannot remember which game,,,,,,,but I am sure there are many that will
Fulham away?
Thanks, but the one I meant was a long clearance from Phillips? down field, Bonne went for it and Gallagher ran through the middle, Bonne headed on and Gallagher ran to the box and scored
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
Am I really the only one who would take him? Not necessarily be number one - I'd rather have Chuks - but I think he'd look a lot better in this side compared to the one we had/were playing with when he was still here. Think he'd bag a few.
No, I completely agree with you. Including the bit about Chuks. Bogle hasn't been an improvement yet. But I don't think he is fully up to speed fitness wise. I'd have Bogle on -1 goals for us as if he hadn't touched the Innes goal against Blackpool it wouldn't have been chalked off. But I can see how Bogle can work for us, but not going to say it is until it actually does.
Chuks is also rather injury prone unfortunately so who knows how much game time he'll get this year.
Lot of direct comparison between Bonne and Bogle which I find slightly strange as I don't see them as the same type of player at all, but I think the pair of them upfront would have worked very well. Bogle to collect the ball and hopefully lay it into Bonne... who fluffs the one-on-one
A pretty moot point anyway, Bonne's gone and won't be coming back, but do genuinely hope he does well. Think we've had the better of the deal anyway and think we'll at least make Playoffs without him thanks to the rebuild that he partially financed through his 2m sale - thanks for your service Macauley
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
Out of our players/loanees who would you sacrifice.
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
Out of our players/loanees who would you sacrifice.
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
Not sure I'd sacrifice any of them, the pain in the arse with the cap is the players who contribute any significant amount have only just been signed. We might be surprised and find out there is some space left in the wage bill, based on Bowyers comments about players taking big pay cuts to play for us.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
Out of our players/loanees who would you sacrifice.
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
Not sure I'd sacrifice any of them, the pain in the arse with the cap is the players who contribute any significant amount have only just been signed. We might be surprised and find out there is some space left in the wage bill, based on Bowyers comments about players taking big pay cuts to play for us.
True but what would someone like Watson have been on at Forest? Depending on when he signed his last contract it might have been £10k a week? Even if it were £5K, it would still be a big drop to say £2K a week. Not that he would command much more than that elsewhere but he still fits the "taking big pay cut" comment.
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
Out of our players/loanees who would you sacrifice.
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
Not sure I'd sacrifice any of them, the pain in the arse with the cap is the players who contribute any significant amount have only just been signed. We might be surprised and find out there is some space left in the wage bill, based on Bowyers comments about players taking big pay cuts to play for us.
True but what would someone like Watson have been on at Forest? Depending on when he signed his last contract it might have been £10k a week? Even if it were £5K, it would still be a big drop to say £2K a week. Not that he would command much more than that elsewhere but he still fits the "taking big pay cut" comment.
According to footballleaguefc (no idea how reliable) Watson was on £15k a week last season at Forest. I'd be surprised if he's on more than £3k here. I believe Gunter is a similar player that's on a lot less than he was at Reading.
I’d rather Bonne than what we have now , in terms of strikers- taking on board Leuth’s point about what the wages have freed up for other players . Compare the goal records
If QPR offered him back to us on loan for further development (I know I know, but humour me) would you take him and would he be number one striker?
No. There will be better options in January.
Who will be able to fit into the wage structure?
We dont actually know how much is left do we?
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
We don't but, given the considerable size of our squad (26 not including the ones we've sent out on loan), I would not envisage that there is that much. Unless, of course, we sell Doughty and sign a striker instead.
Not sure that would work, as Doughty shouldn't contribute towards the cap
Good point. So who could we sell who would help? 13 of the players only joined this season and another 2 are keepers. Williams perhaps - he's had more minutes for Wales this season than he has in the League for us - and I don't think he's ever going to be a regular starter for us under LB.
Even losing someone like Williams would only free up about £1.7k a week. You'd need to lose 2 or 3 players to make it worthwhile wage wise, but at the expense of some depth.
Out of our players/loanees who would you sacrifice.
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
Not sure I'd sacrifice any of them, the pain in the arse with the cap is the players who contribute any significant amount have only just been signed. We might be surprised and find out there is some space left in the wage bill, based on Bowyers comments about players taking big pay cuts to play for us.
True but what would someone like Watson have been on at Forest? Depending on when he signed his last contract it might have been £10k a week? Even if it were £5K, it would still be a big drop to say £2K a week. Not that he would command much more than that elsewhere but he still fits the "taking big pay cut" comment.
According to footballleaguefc (no idea how reliable) Watson was on £15k a week last season at Forest. I'd be surprised if he's on more than £3k here. I believe Gunter is a similar player that's on a lot less than he was at Reading.
Gunter was released by reading. As soon as that happened, he was never going to get a similar deal elsewhere.
Bogle is a big lump but his first touch is a absolutely appalling. His goal scoring record shows you that he will not succeed as a striker here. Anneke is a better player and his goal-scoring record is better but it's e pecting a lot for him to up it considerably to spearhead a promotion bid, especially as he is injured so often. Washington looks best bet for goals and he isn't exactly prolific. In my mind, Bonne would have scored more than any of them but may have missed Lyle Taylor more than we will know.
I really can't fathom people getting upset by Bonne saying his head was turned. He's clarified that he meant he wanted to carry on playing in the Championship, which isn't exactly an unreasonable way to think. We also got over £2m for him. Let's look at it another way; Lockyer could have not activated his clause, but he could have come to an agreement with the club where he would sign for Luton if they paid a fee for him; we wouldn't stand in his way but we would expect some money in given that we were desperately short of cash to keep going He didn't do that though, he walked for free first chance he could. He doesn't get any grief though (and nor should he, it's business) but Bonne gets pelters because people feel slighted by him not saying that Charlton are the biggest club in the world. It's really bizarre. I guess I'll just never understand how a player we signed from the National League who scored 11 goals for us in the second division and kept us going when Taylor was out injured/refused to play is thought of so aggressively negatively
The problem with Bonne is just that he didn't add a lot, and we've seen what Gallen and Bowyer can do with a bit of money. 2 million should buy you a much better player than him. You get 3 or 4 great goals a season, a few tap ins, and one off his arse. An out and out striker, with the decent service he got, should've got more. And we're now playing a system relying more on the midfield and set pieces, where we need hold up merchants and wingers. It's not pretty yet and I doubt Bonne would've scored in the last few games given how we've played. So when you sell him you pray it's not a big mistake and he doesn't turn out fantastic, come back and haunt us, or haunt the decision. So far, so reassuring... hence a jocular bit of schadenfreude at the expense of a player who made the same comment any player makes when he gets an unexpected leap in division and salary. I wouldn't want him back, but a better player of his type... sure!
The problem with Bonne is just that he didn't add a lot, and we've seen what Gallen and Bowyer can do with a bit of money. 2 million should buy you a much better player than him. You get 3 or 4 great goals a season, a few tap ins, and one off his arse. An out and out striker, with the decent service he got, should've got more. And we're now playing a system relying more on the midfield and set pieces, where we need hold up merchants and wingers. It's not pretty yet and I doubt Bonne would've scored in the last few games given how we've played. So when you sell him you pray it's not a big mistake and he doesn't turn out fantastic, come back and haunt us, or haunt the decision. So far, so reassuring... hence a jocular bit of schadenfreude at the expense of a player who made the same comment any player makes when he gets an unexpected leap in division and salary. I wouldn't want him back, but a better player of his type... sure!
I think it was ok business but to say we’ve replaced him with better is clearly fanciful
The problem with Bonne is just that he didn't add a lot, and we've seen what Gallen and Bowyer can do with a bit of money. 2 million should buy you a much better player than him. You get 3 or 4 great goals a season, a few tap ins, and one off his arse. An out and out striker, with the decent service he got, should've got more. And we're now playing a system relying more on the midfield and set pieces, where we need hold up merchants and wingers. It's not pretty yet and I doubt Bonne would've scored in the last few games given how we've played. So when you sell him you pray it's not a big mistake and he doesn't turn out fantastic, come back and haunt us, or haunt the decision. So far, so reassuring... hence a jocular bit of schadenfreude at the expense of a player who made the same comment any player makes when he gets an unexpected leap in division and salary. I wouldn't want him back, but a better player of his type... sure!
I think it was ok business but to say we’ve replaced him with better is clearly fanciful
The problem with Bonne is just that he didn't add a lot, and we've seen what Gallen and Bowyer can do with a bit of money. 2 million should buy you a much better player than him. You get 3 or 4 great goals a season, a few tap ins, and one off his arse. An out and out striker, with the decent service he got, should've got more. And we're now playing a system relying more on the midfield and set pieces, where we need hold up merchants and wingers. It's not pretty yet and I doubt Bonne would've scored in the last few games given how we've played. So when you sell him you pray it's not a big mistake and he doesn't turn out fantastic, come back and haunt us, or haunt the decision. So far, so reassuring... hence a jocular bit of schadenfreude at the expense of a player who made the same comment any player makes when he gets an unexpected leap in division and salary. I wouldn't want him back, but a better player of his type... sure!
I think it was ok business but to say we’ve replaced him with better is clearly fanciful
I don't think we've tried to. We've replaced him with different. I think it would be quite easy to replace him with better for £2m though.
The negativity about Bonne is getting a little over the top. I don't think he should be leading the line even in league one and I wouldn't want him to start too many games if he did end up playing for us again. That said he has enough about him to be effective as an impact sub and with the right partner he could be successful as a second striker.
Notice Lockyer isn't getting the same stick. I think some are a little peeved he's gone because it appears we've got very little up top. I wasn't a huge fan, and we've all heard the stories of his agent being a bit of a prick, but I think the hate towards him is a bit strong
Lockyer was almost universally rated by our fanbase last season. There were a lot of fans who thought Bonne was shite, a lot.
Some of the hate may be OTT, but I think most of us are just enjoying be proved right.
Proved right? The blokes been there 5 minutes.( And scored)
If 5 minutes is the litmus test then I think we can safely put Bogle in the same category.
Bogle does more around the park, in my opinion. He's been brought in to hold the ball up, and link up with other attacking options, something that Bonne was pretty dire at.
QPR fans seem to be in agreement with us, he's not Championship quality.
Bonne will score more goals in the Championship than Bogle will in League One. In fact already probably has ...
Some players are badly advised / don't know how to play the PR game / haven't had the right media training - choose any or all of the above for Bonne.
Whether or not you rated him as a player, this thread would be full of support had he balanced his words....
"I had a fantastic time at Charlton, they are a great club and the management, players and fans were good to me. QPR made an offer which gave me the opportunity to play at a higher level and the manager was prepared to let me go. Like Charlton, QPR are a great club and I'm looking forward to challenging for a place in the team and to continue developing as a player"
On the interpretation of words hangs a reputation. Get it right you are fine, get it wrong you are hung out to dry, irrespective of your ability as a player.
Some players are badly advised / don't know how to play the PR game / haven't had the right media training - choose any or all of the above for Bonne.
Whether or not you rated him as a player, this thread would be full of support had he balanced his words....
"I had a fantastic time at Charlton, they are a great club and the management, players and fans were good to me. QPR made an offer which gave me the opportunity to play at a higher level and the manager was prepared to let me go. Like Charlton, QPR are a great club and I'm looking forward to challenging for a place in the team and to continue developing as a player"
On the interpretation of words hangs a reputation. Get it right you are fine, get it wrong you are hung out to dry, irrespective of your ability as a player.
Especially if you have a fan base as touchy and cry babyish as ours , I mean we have fans who believe players and management are here for the love of Charlton 🙄
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But we got £2m for a player who is not absolutely proven at that level and who was not guaranteed to get us 20 goals at this level simply because of the way LB sets his team up to play - 5 shots on target (and 5 goals) in the last 3 games suggests that you need a player who will bring more of an all round game than a poacher's instinct because we actually create so little. LB even turned on him via the media because of his misses but also because the reality is that we have to make the most of the few chances we get.
Bonne apologised for what he said yet people still want him to fail and can't forgive or forget. Or accept that the money we got for him gave us more financial stability. We didn't get a penny for Lockyer after all but because he kept his mouth and say how much he was looking forward to the step up to playing for Luton that he is a modern day saint by comparison. And Luton are a step up whether we like it or not because they weren't relegated and currently sit in 9th place in the Championship. Although some people still insist that he isn't good enough for that League too.
A supporter scorned and all that!
But it'll never happen, QPR are more likely to recall Smyth than they are to send Bonne to us. And now he's done all the stages of the break-up with our fan base, it'd probably be too awkward anyway. Hopefully we'll have some room in January to try for Schwartz again.
Lot of direct comparison between Bonne and Bogle which I find slightly strange as I don't see them as the same type of player at all, but I think the pair of them upfront would have worked very well. Bogle to collect the ball and hopefully lay it into Bonne... who fluffs the one-on-one
A pretty moot point anyway, Bonne's gone and won't be coming back, but do genuinely hope he does well. Think we've had the better of the deal anyway and think we'll at least make Playoffs without him thanks to the rebuild that he partially financed through his 2m sale - thanks for your service Macauley
Not saying that we an abundance of wages but I cant believe that they have nothing in the pot for January.
I could be very wrong but estimated salaries here:
I could only see three potentials and I don't think we would get the benefit from selling them, we'd damage our squad depth... (Williams, F.Caskey & Purrington)
Whether or not you rated him as a player, this thread would be full of support had he balanced his words....
"I had a fantastic time at Charlton, they are a great club and the management, players and fans were good to me. QPR made an offer which gave me the opportunity to play at a higher level and the manager was prepared to let me go. Like Charlton, QPR are a great club and I'm looking forward to challenging for a place in the team and to continue developing as a player"
On the interpretation of words hangs a reputation. Get it right you are fine, get it wrong you are hung out to dry, irrespective of your ability as a player.