They’ve broken a Premier League rule, they need to come out now tell them to back-track in the idea or be expelled to the Football League ASAP.
The Football League can determine what league they go into and stick them all in league 2.
I can’t see the top players wanting to play in “friendlies” week in week out. Tottenham v Arsenal no chance they can win it, no relegation - a complete waste of time.
Watch them come running back when faced with a season in League 2!
These are businessmen treating us like customers not fans & we know all about that.
Disgrace.
I agree with you, but they don't want fans, they want customers.
A club like Charlton needs fans, and a benevolent owner, to survive. Let alone compete. If you take our game against Sunderland we pushed the bollocks out of the live stream, gave away prizes and put on a high quality TV programme. We sold about 6,000 passes. At 10 quid a pop. So £60,000. Even if that cost nothing it wouldn't have paid the wages for the players that were in the squad for a week.
If Real Madrid could monites their social media following for £1 each a month. Their annual income would be nearly £3 billion quid. From that. Nothing else.
If Real Madrid V Man United was free on YouTube how much do you think you would get for a 30 second advert?
“Eventually there will be a soccer League of Nations with clubs flying off to South America in little more time than it would take Newcastle to travel to Plymouth by train. These days may not be realised in my time, but they are coming.”
Jimmy Seed in 1957.
Which is completely unsustainable in a world suffering from a climate disaster and a global pandemic.
“Soccer was, is, and will always be a sport that transforms lives.
We do not allow top hats to spoil these possibilities of small ones dreaming of being big !!!”
"This doesn't surprise me. The most superior teams have managed their superiority through competition. When they no longer need them to win money they discard what they no longer need. This is a very common thing, not only in football. It shouldn't surprise us.
"The fundamental problem is the rich always aspire to be more rich without considering the consequences for the rest. As they gain more power they start demanding more privilege over the rest.
"The most powerful are powerful because of what they bring but the rest are dispensable. What makes competition great is the possibility for one of those weak teams to develop, not the big teams playing each other. But the logic of the world at the moment and in football is not outside this - that the powerful become more rich as a consequence of the weak becoming more poor. If this was is what guides the world at the moment why is there such astonishment. This shouldn't surprise us. It was something that was coming."
Top man is Marcelo Bielsa.
Absolutely nailed it and what I was saying earlier today on here.
This is a reflection of where we are. Powerful people being allowed to run amock unchallenged.
I am not sure why people are surprised by this move by the top tier clubs. There are three factors which drove this. it used to be the the only way to make money is to be in the champions league or to expand merchandising to virgin markets or to incur losses but earn a profit on resale. 1) in the race to make the champions league clubs are overpaying players/transfer fees and can’t self regulate themselves. The result is they are losing money now even if they make the champions league. 2) the growth of football in China and America has not met expectations so the overall tv/merchandise dollars while increasing have not kept pace with cost increases 3) the number of mega wealthy owners to purchase a club have dried up because it is money loser and there are only so many ego driven buyers in the world. We are already seeing a bunch of grifters and 3rd tier middle eastern royal family hanger ons sniffing around premier league clubs.
this whole charade is just a ploy to get the relevant parties to the table to negotiate guaranteed champions league places and to negotiate a higher piece of the pie.
We all know how this going to play out. Initial outrage and threats by both sides. Then negotiation. Then an agreement for champions league part deux or new named league. Fans will forget their outrage and it will become the new normal.
“Eventually there will be a soccer League of Nations with clubs flying off to South America in little more time than it would take Newcastle to travel to Plymouth by train. These days may not be realised in my time, but they are coming.”
Jimmy Seed in 1957.
TBF, its probably slower to get from Newcastle to Plymouth by train now than it was in 1957
This is a great response, so he thinks that this new "product" will be a great competetor for the MLS - Seriously, there are a good number of "products" already better than that
Sorry if this is covered elsewhere in the thread, but can someone clarify why this proposal is so terrible?
I mean, I get that it is all about income generation rather than sporting principles but that’s been the way of things for a long time now.
The way I read it this is an attack on UEFA. These clubs want to replace the existing European competitions with one that gives them greater income and greater certainty over that income. In return they promise to redistribute more income into domestic leagues and will still participate in those leagues with the (admittedly very hypothetical) threat of relegation.
I suppose they may subsequently call for a reduction in the size of the premiership to accommodate fixtures but that’s a battle for the future.
I’m not saying it’s a brilliant day for the game, but I can’t get worked up about a bunch of clubs deciding to screw UEFA.
Yep - you've convinced me.
"Don't worry Daniel - Spurs will make 50 zillion a year even if you finish bottom - and the same every year because you can't be relegated, unlike the whipping boys we'll get in every season to produce goals, goals, goals and therefore games you may, in exceptional circumstances, have a chance of winning".
"We also need to rework the old Corinthian spirit - something like 'Sport is not about taking part or even winning - it's about money', Daniel"
I’m not trying to convince anyone that it’s a good thing, I just don’t see why everyone other than UEFA is so antagonised by it. The 20 teams will still compete (with each other) and it will likely be a more competitive league/cup.
I totally understand the ‘closed shop’ criticism, but Charlton have never been in European completion, ever, apart from that odd one they used to have in the 90’s. Speaking as a Charlton fan, if I invested my hopes in the prospect of one day reaching those heights I would probably have given up by now. So although I don’t think it is a good thing in principle I just can’t get very exercised by it in practice.
Honestly mate, if you can't see it then there's no point talking to you. Saddens me that anyone can be this blind to it. Football isn't for you, go watch NFL.
Commentators talking about how this result could jeopardise Liverpool's hopes of qualifying in the UCL positions, I thought the whole point of this ESL is that they don't have to give a flying fuck where they finish anymore?
These 12 clubs have reached this point from a position of weakness not strength. From Barcelona's virtual insolvency to Tottenham's white elephant stadium and BofE loans. The EPL and UEFA can front them up in a negotiation and win especially with governments behind them.
This is a great response, so he thinks that this new "product" will be a great competetor for the MLS - Seriously, there are a good number of "products" already better than that
The Premier League will drop their trousers and bend over to get the six clubs back on board because their profits could take a dip if they leave. A great pity as the six leaving could be a good thing.
The Premier League will drop their trousers and bend over to get the six clubs back on board because their profits could take a dip if they leave. A great pity as the six leaving could be a good thing.
The six clubs need the Premier League more than the Premier League needs the six clubs
The Premier League will drop their trousers and bend over to get the six clubs back on board because their profits could take a dip if they leave. A great pity as the six leaving could be a good thing.
It would undoubtedly be a good thing if it wouldn't put 20 plus other clubs out of business over night.
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A club like Charlton needs fans, and a benevolent owner, to survive. Let alone compete. If you take our game against Sunderland we pushed the bollocks out of the live stream, gave away prizes and put on a high quality TV programme. We sold about 6,000 passes. At 10 quid a pop. So £60,000. Even if that cost nothing it wouldn't have paid the wages for the players that were in the squad for a week.
If Real Madrid could monites their social media following for £1 each a month. Their annual income would be nearly £3 billion quid. From that. Nothing else.
If Real Madrid V Man United was free on YouTube how much do you think you would get for a 30 second advert?
But he wasn’t to know that tbf.
this whole charade is just a ploy to get the relevant parties to the table to negotiate guaranteed champions league places and to negotiate a higher piece of the pie.
We all know how this going to play out. Initial outrage and threats by both sides. Then negotiation. Then an agreement for champions league part deux or new named league. Fans will forget their outrage and it will become the new normal.
It will actually be better without them.
Just get rid.
The sport would be alive again.
"Business"/ "product"/ "customer"- he might have played the same game but he clearly doesn't understand it.
Money will dictate the customer needs this, where as football fans lose