If it goes through, in this format, football in this country will die, all the rich owners of every club bar the 6 big brands will leave.
The scum 6 are pointing a gun at the head of English, Spanish and Italian football and demanding more money, that's the reality, they want to cash in without restrictions and they have US owners who love the franchise model as the jeopardy is removed.
So where are we, well if it goes ahead as is the English, Spanish and Italian league will become feeder clubs, non entities, if they even survive, with no money and anyone who is remotely good at football will be owned by the 6.
They are killing 10 million English fans to gain full access to the finances of 3 billion fans.
So they may be a deal to be done, to remove the "closed shop" but in truth, I think the future of football will permanently changed and as long as this non-relegation thing sods off, then a European league is ok, in my book it's the lack of meritocracy.
I'm down with seeing Real Madrid absolutely cock it up and get relegated out of a super league, it's the underdog that we love and want, the US hate it.
it could be cool, but without a meritocracy or basic fairness, the entire pyramid becomes irrelevant.
Broadcasters will want the Premier League, it s just they won't want to pay so much for it. The issue is that clubs are geared to getting the extra money. If you can overcome that issue in the short term, those of us that bemoan how money has ruined football, may get something they prefer.
Surely there is a massive risk between legacy viewers and future viewers and the former will always be the reliable option.
Legacy surely means that the fan will support the club through thick and thin, you can guarantee that their support will continue throughout generations as parents will bring their kids, who'll bring their kids creating a continued cycle.
We've seen with Charlton this decade how a generation of supporters have potentially been lost thanks to Roland
As for the future viewers, especially from the foreign markets, surely they're only going to remain interested as a Man Utd supporter or Barcelona supporter if that brand remains successful - If there are less trophies to be won then naturally the chances of success are slimmer.
Not to mention as someone said the other day, at the moment the whole branding of the Super League doesnt actually insinuate it'll be confined to Europe so we could well see teams in Hong Kong or Beijing entering. Would those "future viewers" who support Man Utd remain fans of said club, or would they revert to supporting their own local side?
Very one dimensional view from the owners and a very risky one with how they treat the fans.
All very good, but not really needed is it? Outside the Inglorious 12, pretty much everyone has condemned the move - including (for fair means or foul) the UK Government.
The 6 English clubs and a few wannabees have been skewing finances of the Premier League for years. Forcing decisions through which essentially held EFL clubs to ransom. If those clubs are banned from English football and it left a smaller pot of money in a Premier League /EFL set up then I would be all for it, if it meant the money / decisions were made more fairly. This might be a chance, with short term pain, to fix football in the long term but it only works if you kick the Superleague clubs out completely.
Ultimately money will be thrown around and the English Superleague clubs will get what they want whether it is within the Uefa structure or not.
a year old information. would of thought its even worse what with the Pandemic.
The better solution is to essentially get together and informally agree to stop paying players £300k a week etc, all offer £100k max or something from new contracts hereon in.
Strong Differences of opinion emerging in private between breakaway clubs. Some of the exces involved believe they're being hung out to dry and are beginning to get cold feet.
They're nervous and disappointed about way its been handled. One says " this is not what we signed up"
I understand how Spurs have wracked up that debt and, in their wonderful new stadium, they have an asset to show for it which will help to pay it down. But how the feck have United gotten themselves into such a huge black hole? Their stadium (according to GNev) hasn’t had decent investment in some time and their has been precious little success on the pitch. Given how high their revenues must be to be in that sort of debt is crazy.
The Real Madrid Chairman is saying that the radical action of forming this pile of bollocks is to save Football from imploding or from some abyss somewhere ahead.
They must think we are all bloody stupid .
The one reason football is in trouble, if it is , is because the employees take too much out in wages so the fans have to be ripped off more.
Another was that they regard us as Legacy supporters. The Asian viewers will be the future viewers, sorry, supporters.
Yes the legacy is we take future generations to support our local teams....not sit on our arses with a beer shouting at the television.
Goodluck with the new style support in a sterile competition detatched from its community.
The next thing is they will move these European Super Clubs to Asia. Or the states . Yanks love money but don't understand competition and dreams. Strange that they call Old Trafford 'The Theatre of Dreams ' rather than 'Theatre of Stifled Ambition '.
He's right to a certain extent. Real and Barcelona are up the creek without a paddle... they've overspend massively for years and this is their only way out. So it will potentially save those mis-managed clubs from years of ignominy. Just so long as you ignore the other 100s of professional clubs.
I understand how Spurs have wracked up that debt and, in their wonderful new stadium, they have an asset to show for it which will help to pay it down. But how the feck have United gotten themselves into such a huge black hole? Their stadium (according to GNev) hasn’t had decent investment in some time and their has been precious little success on the pitch. Given how high their revenues must be to be in that sort of debt is crazy.
Didn't the owners pile the cost of buying the club on to the club as debt? So it actually cost them, well, nothing?
a) bend over, let the "big 6" do what they want = earn less money, have less control, get shafted again in the future when the "big 6" decide they want to change the deal again b) throw the "big 6" out = earn less money, retain control, be free of any future blackmail attempts by the "big 6"
A is clearly a terrible option. It may be less painful in the ultra-short-term view, but is worse in every other conceivable way.
The fact is that only 2 of this so-called big 6, Liverpool and Man Utd, are really worth anything to the EPL. Man City were a 3rd division club, Chelsea were mid-table, Arsenal and Tottenham are mid-table. It's Liverpool and Man Utd that have the worldwide fanbases. The 14 other EPL clubs need to decide do they really want to give mid-table Tottenham far more power and money in order to keep Liverpool in the league?
If Liverpool hadn't had the last few seasons they've had under Rodgers and Klopp then is would be a no brainer, you'd be talking about shafting 14 clubs for the benefit of a decade title-less Man Utd and a 30 year title-less Liverpool. The recent resurgence of both complicates matters, and is probably one of the reasons this is happening now rather than 2 or 3 years ago.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UEFA President Ceferin in public appeal to English clubs behind Super League: "Gentlemen you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others distain, arrogance ... there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes” <a href="https://t.co/urIDYIs0qg">pic.twitter.com/urIDYIs0qg</a></p>— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) <a href="
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UEFA President Ceferin in public appeal to English clubs behind Super League: "Gentlemen you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others distain, arrogance ... there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes” <a href="https://t.co/urIDYIs0qg">pic.twitter.com/urIDYIs0qg</a></p>— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) <a href="
Shearer saying this morning that the Premier League should act straight away and kick the clubs out and take on the legal fight. I wonder if this happened how many of their players might have release causes in their contracts, such as relegation or not qualifying for Europe and could walk away on free transfers and sign for real clubs not in the Super Greed League
What other clubs not in the super league could afford their salaries?
They can't all sign for PSG and Bayern.
A few clubs not having to pay a transfer fee could offer decent deals
How?
If the big 6 were kicked out of the league, the Sky/BT tv deal would collapse and clubs would be struggling to pay their existing wage bill. They'd no longer be getting 100m+ a season, they'd be getting about 10m (i might be exaggerating but a new deal would be much much less).
The tv deal only exists because of the big 6. People might say 'good riddance, let them go', but without them the premier league is fucked and would be for years until clubs recovered. If people think clubs were financially damaged by no fans because of covid, imagine the fall out if the tv deal collapses.
I am not convinced that Sky or BT would walk away if the six Clubs were kicked out or collapse the payments. Football is a huge part of their business and without it I do not think the rest of their products would be sufficient to keep them going. I pay for the cricket as well, I would not buy Sky just for that.
Football is bigger than any Club. Football has always had clubs rise to the top and drop away. Man City were in league 1 not so long ago. Man Utd dropped out of the top league, Arsenal are in 11th. The football world will not come to an end if these six get thrown out of the league.
It will be very sad, as sad as when Bury went out of business. I would feel for their fans. They will be missed for a while, but the void will be filled. TV will still have a product and I am convinced it will outlast the stale Super League as it will be the better and more exciting product.
The Premier League should decide to expel them if they do not drop the plan by a set date.
The door can be left a jar if they wish to return, but they must realise that those that have remained may have changed the rules and they may not be getting the same share of income as they did before, or the same influence.
You have got to consider that me and you, and probably anyone reading this, don't matter. We either have sky sports now, or we don't.
The "big six" aren't the product for us, but you can't deny they are for millions. If you take Monday Night Football it's a 4 hour show where most weeks they talk about the game for 2 hours then spend the other 2 hours talking about the big six.
Sky Sports News is totally dominated by the big six. Even if its not just the games they show its how many hours they spend talking about them.
If the next eight games on sky six include the big six one of the others is on 8pm on Saturday night. The other is Leicester v Palace, on a Monday night.
They can't replace these hours of talking about Everton and Newcastle, as much as we would enjoy it. If they could they already would.
I just hope that we try to see an end to these clubs controlling the rest of Football with either outcome.
(1) They admit their mistake and come back yet have no priority say over how competitions are ran (2) They go ahead with this Super League, and are never allowed to return
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UEFA President Ceferin in public appeal to English clubs behind Super League: "Gentlemen you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others distain, arrogance ... there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes” <a href="https://t.co/urIDYIs0qg">pic.twitter.com/urIDYIs0qg</a></p>— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) <a href="
Strong Differences of opinion emerging in private between breakaway clubs. Some of the exces involved believe they're being hung out to dry and are beginning to get cold feet.
They're nervous and disappointed about way its been handled. One says " this is not what we signed up"
There's an awful lot of unattributed comment and unsubstantiated rumours flying around in the guise of 'journalism'. Why are we supposed to believe that Kaveh Solhekol is aware of the content of private meetings between clubs and what those clubs' exectuives 'believe'? Who is the 'one' who said the thing they signed up to is not the thing they signed up to?
Sky Sports have produced a statement claiming not to have been involved in any of the meetings or negotiations prior to the original announcement. In other words, distancing themselves from the harm it will inevitably cause. But its news channels will generate a lot of interest. And comments like this from Kaveh Solhekol stoke the flames.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UEFA President Ceferin in public appeal to English clubs behind Super League: "Gentlemen you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others distain, arrogance ... there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes” <a href="https://t.co/urIDYIs0qg">pic.twitter.com/urIDYIs0qg</a></p>— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) <a href="
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UEFA President Ceferin in public appeal to English clubs behind Super League: "Gentlemen you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others distain, arrogance ... there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes” <a href="https://t.co/urIDYIs0qg">pic.twitter.com/urIDYIs0qg</a></p>— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) <a href="
Strong Differences of opinion emerging in private between breakaway clubs. Some of the exces involved believe they're being hung out to dry and are beginning to get cold feet.
They're nervous and disappointed about way its been handled. One says " this is not what we signed up"
There's an awful lot of unattributed comment and unsubstantiated rumours flying around in the guise of 'journalism'. Why are we supposed to believe that Kaveh Solhekol is aware of the content of private meetings between clubs and what those clubs' exectuives 'believe'? Who is the 'one' who said the thing they signed up to is not the thing they signed up to?
Sky Sports have produced a statement claiming not to have been involved in any of the meetings or negotiations prior to the original announcement. In other words, distancing themselves from the harm it will inevitably cause. But its news channels will generate a lot of interest. And comments like this from Kaveh Solhekol stoke the flames.
Doesn't sound like Comcast who own Sky, are involved, and it seems that DAZN have been lined up as the broadcasters.
a year old information. would of thought its even worse what with the Pandemic.
The better solution is to essentially get together and informally agree to stop paying players £300k a week etc, all offer £100k max or something from new contracts hereon in.
They won't though.
That's part of the plan. It doesn't matter if PSG or Bayern etc do if they are not in the same competition.
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The scum 6 are pointing a gun at the head of English, Spanish and Italian football and demanding more money, that's the reality, they want to cash in without restrictions and they have US owners who love the franchise model as the jeopardy is removed.
So where are we, well if it goes ahead as is the English, Spanish and Italian league will become feeder clubs, non entities, if they even survive, with no money and anyone who is remotely good at football will be owned by the 6.
They are killing 10 million English fans to gain full access to the finances of 3 billion fans.
So they may be a deal to be done, to remove the "closed shop" but in truth, I think the future of football will permanently changed and as long as this non-relegation thing sods off, then a European league is ok, in my book it's the lack of meritocracy.
I'm down with seeing Real Madrid absolutely cock it up and get relegated out of a super league, it's the underdog that we love and want, the US hate it.
it could be cool, but without a meritocracy or basic fairness, the entire pyramid becomes irrelevant.
https://www.change.org/p/all-persons-related-to-football-stop-the-introduction-of-the-european-super-league?fbclid=IwAR0eMv8huW4LM98B2nrCmr_b5eE83p8tfHabRRxiQs9TgyefFAwN8hTceY8
Legacy surely means that the fan will support the club through thick and thin, you can guarantee that their support will continue throughout generations as parents will bring their kids, who'll bring their kids creating a continued cycle.
We've seen with Charlton this decade how a generation of supporters have potentially been lost thanks to Roland
As for the future viewers, especially from the foreign markets, surely they're only going to remain interested as a Man Utd supporter or Barcelona supporter if that brand remains successful - If there are less trophies to be won then naturally the chances of success are slimmer.
Not to mention as someone said the other day, at the moment the whole branding of the Super League doesnt actually insinuate it'll be confined to Europe so we could well see teams in Hong Kong or Beijing entering. Would those "future viewers" who support Man Utd remain fans of said club, or would they revert to supporting their own local side?
Very one dimensional view from the owners and a very risky one with how they treat the fans.
They won't though.
Strong Differences of opinion emerging in private between breakaway clubs. Some of the exces involved believe they're being hung out to dry and are beginning to get cold feet.
They're nervous and disappointed about way its been handled. One says " this is not what we signed up"
a) bend over, let the "big 6" do what they want = earn less money, have less control, get shafted again in the future when the "big 6" decide they want to change the deal again
b) throw the "big 6" out = earn less money, retain control, be free of any future blackmail attempts by the "big 6"
A is clearly a terrible option. It may be less painful in the ultra-short-term view, but is worse in every other conceivable way.
The fact is that only 2 of this so-called big 6, Liverpool and Man Utd, are really worth anything to the EPL. Man City were a 3rd division club, Chelsea were mid-table, Arsenal and Tottenham are mid-table. It's Liverpool and Man Utd that have the worldwide fanbases. The 14 other EPL clubs need to decide do they really want to give mid-table Tottenham far more power and money in order to keep Liverpool in the league?
If Liverpool hadn't had the last few seasons they've had under Rodgers and Klopp then is would be a no brainer, you'd be talking about shafting 14 clubs for the benefit of a decade title-less Man Utd and a 30 year title-less Liverpool. The recent resurgence of both complicates matters, and is probably one of the reasons this is happening now rather than 2 or 3 years ago.
The "big six" aren't the product for us, but you can't deny they are for millions. If you take Monday Night Football it's a 4 hour show where most weeks they talk about the game for 2 hours then spend the other 2 hours talking about the big six.
Sky Sports News is totally dominated by the big six. Even if its not just the games they show its how many hours they spend talking about them.
If the next eight games on sky six include the big six one of the others is on 8pm on Saturday night. The other is Leicester v Palace, on a Monday night.
They can't replace these hours of talking about Everton and Newcastle, as much as we would enjoy it. If they could they already would.
(1) They admit their mistake and come back yet have no priority say over how competitions are ran
(2) They go ahead with this Super League, and are never allowed to return
Sky Sports have produced a statement claiming not to have been involved in any of the meetings or negotiations prior to the original announcement. In other words, distancing themselves from the harm it will inevitably cause. But its news channels will generate a lot of interest. And comments like this from Kaveh Solhekol stoke the flames.
https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/11661/12279732/european-super-league-plans-live-updates
To the English clubs, come to your senses. Not out of love for football, I don’t imagine you have much of that