Indeed mate, the F-word is quite offensive too, as is : -
All tories are evil scum, I wish all tories were dead, All brexiters are scum. All brexiters are knuckle draggers etc, etc etc..zzzzz
But one rule for them and another rule for others.
Point me to where I have said anything resembling this. Go on. I dare you. Double dare you.
So you clearly think the above words and phrases are acceptable as you haven't agreed, says it all...and who says i was talking about you, don't flatter yourself...You have been added to the ignore list.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from repercussions of that speech. I am a Chinese man telling someone to stop using a term that a couple of times a month is used to racially abuse me. I am telling them to stop using it in any context.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
Not difficult for you because it offends you.
my mum banned swearing from our house as she gets very offended by the slightest rude word but rude words are acceptable for some & no one demands people stop using them on here because some are offended.
Abuse you get in the street is disgusting & the people doing it can & should be held to account as that is the law & what is right , the way the word is used is the problem for me & no words should be used to abuse someone but this is in the mans own home & not said maliciously in any way, like the N word in rap songs is ok but then a white man shouting the same word to a black man is not ok , for me it’s in the way the words are used.
Do we live in a world where we need a list of words we are allowed to use on here & who decides what is offensive?
Should freedom of speech include (when there isn't one) shouting 'fire!' in a crowded darkened theatre?
No m8 , people should consider their words & actions impact on others before saying them but if a man wants to shout fire in his own living room then that’s fine with me or do we ban the word fire ?
The price for freedom of speech is that we assume responsibility for what we say and how it affects those around us. We're agreeing that rather than have the state or another body regulate our speech, we will take on that work ourselves.
But I think there are a lot of people who treat freedom of speech like a card you wave that overrules any criticism of what you have said. It ain't that.
Finally some sort of comment about swearing bit like a school boy sniggering at back of class so explain to me why the c word Is more offensive than any other swear word because you can see on here people will not write the word cunt give me an answer to why this is more offensive.
It’s a word we don’t really need to add in any sentence. So why is it even a word what is it’s use? Danny Dyer loves to say it does it really make him look tough or something
Oh, I have no problem with using the word 'cunt'.
My message was more along the lines of 'stop being a cunt'.
You've been asked to not use a specific word that has historic offensive and nasty connotations. You've also been told the reason why. That should be enough for you to cease and desist. Instead, you double down and give more weight to your upbringing, and the justification for using such terms, as opposed to listening to the vast majority on this thread who are telling you that you're firmly in the wrong.
Racist language and terms are associated with oppression of certain groups. Groups who are not deserving because of the accident of their birth. That goes for oppression of women too. I don't know if the 'c' word is part of that oppression, but it is used in a more nasty way than 'prick' for example, and yet it is a reference to the private parts of a woman which are certainly not nasty. I admit to using the 'c' word, but although it isn't much of an excuse it gets used because it has an impact about how much antipathy I feel, or how bad I feel the recipient is. Describing Hitler as a wanker for example does not seem to cut it. Organically perhaps the language needs to grow a word as an alternative to the 'c' word that is equally impactful. I understand that back in Shakespeare's time the word 'naughty' was a shocker.
That’s not a answer that just being abusive give me a sentence where we need to say it.
Do you feel hard now you’ve called me that millwall boy do you turn round and tell your fellow fans to stop being abusive or racist because there’s not a worse ground in the country for it than yours. Do you stand up and tell them hard man do ya
I reiterate, stop being a cunt. It's not about being 'hard'. It's about being 'decent'.
Ah, the old homogeneous grouping of thousands of people as a poor way of defending your position.
Seriously, listen to people when they say that the word you're using is offensive and request you stop. By not doing so you're flying in the face of common decency. Or are you trying to appear 'hard'?
i was playing football last week - centre mid - 2 of us up against the other 2 centre mids - in the heat of the moment when trying to communicate with my co midfielder i said pick up the dark fella - i thought at the time have i said something wrong - i genuinely thought should i have said dark, black, coloured... I felt dark was 'softer' than saying black but god knows really. The other player had zero problem with it because he was a sensible chap and knew there was zero racist intent - there is a massive difference between using certain language and being racist - tbh I've got no views whatsoever on greg whatisname and can see how he is probably not the right bloke in this day and age but jesus christ, when is this treading on eggshells and denying common sense going to be put in check - its not about what people think, its all about saying accepted stuff = a load of bollox.
Exactly the sort of complacent, careless fuckwittery that Clarke is guilty of. Why not "you pick up the number 8, I'll get number 10"? The fact you see this bloke and the colour of his face is the thing you settle on as your reference point damns you. Refusing to comprehend the issue, doubles down on the offense. We can't be "colourblind", insofar as we see the fact of his colour. If we're not racist we choose to act colourblind. It's a choice, pure and simple. Any trouble experienced in avoiding certain language or assumptions is the result of deep seated, unchallenged bigotry. You can change your behaviour, if you're sincere, in no time it becomes 2nd nature, you can overcome your conditioning, it's a choice. I hear bleating about people's age "it was different when I was growing up" that's hollow complacent appeasement for bigotry. I was exposed to all that same conditioning - the street I grew up on had one non-white household in 70; 6 years in primary school (in the 70's) -1 black girl the whole time I was there; 7 years in secondary school maybe 2 dozen non-white boys in the 1500 or so that passed through - active hostility was almost unheard of but all the racist tropes, generalisations, language were common parlance. I just don't repeat it, I can't remember when I did - I must have done cos 'back then' it would not have been challenged, but no more. "certain language" is racist. This is uncomfortable reading, I'm sure, but you'll get no apology from me. Any shrugging it off, 'oh it was a slip of the tongue', appeasement or equivocation leaves room for the bigotry to persist, oxygen for it to thrive.
That’s not a answer that just being abusive give me a sentence where we need to say it.
Do you feel hard now you’ve called me that millwall boy do you turn round and tell your fellow fans to stop being abusive or racist because there’s not a worse ground in the country for it than yours. Do you stand up and tell them hard man do ya
I reiterate, stop being a cunt. It's not about being 'hard'. It's about being 'decent'.
Ah, the old homogeneous grouping of thousands of people as a poor way of defending your position.
Seriously, listen to people when they say that the word you're using is offensive and request you stop. By not doing so you're flying in the face of common decency. Or are you trying to appear 'hard'?
The day we can just accept we are all homo Sapiens will be the day we make progress.
Ok homo's ? No doesn't sound appropriate. Ok you sap's ? Sounds problematical. Some of you doughnuts are Neanderthals; It doesn't make you a bad person, but try to lose deep rooted prejudices which are so deeply ingrained that it subconsciously affects how you view other humans.
Clarke was like the player who commits 10 fouls and receives 2 yellow cards. In an industry that appears to have so many Black, mixed Race and players of different genders and sexual orientation, he had to go.
Whoever is the new FA chief in 2020, can't be clumsy with words. There are some strong black candidates but I hope the best man or woman gets the Job. This is unlikely because the FA panel who select, may well be the most unrepresenative people possible.
The day we can just accept we are all homo Sapiens will be the day we make progress.
Ok homo's ? No doesn't sound appropriate. Ok you sap's ? Sounds problematical. Some of you doughnuts are Neanderthals; It doesn't make you a bad person, but try to lose deep rooted prejudices which are so deeply ingrained that it subconsciously affects how you view other humans.
Clarke was like the player who commits 10 fouls and receives 2 yellow cards. In an industry that appears to have so many Black, mixed Race and players of different genders and sexual orientation, he had to go.
Whoever is the new FA chief in 2020, can't be clumsy with words. There are some strong black candidates but I hope the best man or woman gets the Job. This is unlikely because the FA panel who select, may well be the most unrepresenative people possible.
Here lies the problem.
If they are deeply ingrained then that is pure upbringing, we are not hard wired to be bigots. It has the ability to be changed in a generation.
Education is also key, and not just Black History, although that is important. We all, every single one of us, have black history - we all came out of Africa, and really not that long ago.
i was playing football last week - centre mid - 2 of us up against the other 2 centre mids - in the heat of the moment when trying to communicate with my co midfielder i said pick up the dark fella - i thought at the time have i said something wrong - i genuinely thought should i have said dark, black, coloured... I felt dark was 'softer' than saying black but god knows really. The other player had zero problem with it because he was a sensible chap and knew there was zero racist intent - there is a massive difference between using certain language and being racist - tbh I've got no views whatsoever on greg whatisname and can see how he is probably not the right bloke in this day and age but jesus christ, when is this treading on eggshells and denying common sense going to be put in check - its not about what people think, its all about saying accepted stuff = a load of bollox.
Exactly the sort of complacent, careless fuckwittery that Clarke is guilty of. Why not "you pick up the number 8, I'll get number 10"? The fact you see this bloke and the colour of his face is the thing you settle on as your reference point damns you. Refusing to comprehend the issue, doubles down on the offense. We can't be "colourblind", insofar as we see the fact of his colour. If we're not racist we choose to act colourblind. It's a choice, pure and simple. Any trouble experienced in avoiding certain language or assumptions is the result of deep seated, unchallenged bigotry. You can change your behaviour, if you're sincere, in no time it becomes 2nd nature, you can overcome your conditioning, it's a choice. I hear bleating about people's age "it was different when I was growing up" that's hollow complacent appeasement for bigotry. I was exposed to all that same conditioning - the street I grew up on had one non-white household in 70; 6 years in primary school (in the 70's) -1 black girl the whole time I was there; 7 years in secondary school maybe 2 dozen non-white boys in the 1500 or so that passed through - active hostility was almost unheard of but all the racist tropes, generalisations, language were common parlance. I just don't repeat it, I can't remember when I did - I must have done cos 'back then' it would not have been challenged, but no more. "certain language" is racist. This is uncomfortable reading, I'm sure, but you'll get no apology from me. Any shrugging it off, 'oh it was a slip of the tongue', appeasement or equivocation leaves room for the bigotry to persist, oxygen for it to thrive.
complete prat as always - in the heat of the moment, you don't know the guy's number, he's just come on its a choice of black or dark to quickly identity him - i chose the latter thinking it was softer as i say, complete prat as always - i have black family, friends etc etc so don't for one minute think you know what you're talking about - go back to your mindless rants
i was playing football last week - centre mid - 2 of us up against the other 2 centre mids - in the heat of the moment when trying to communicate with my co midfielder i said pick up the dark fella - i thought at the time have i said something wrong - i genuinely thought should i have said dark, black, coloured... I felt dark was 'softer' than saying black but god knows really. The other player had zero problem with it because he was a sensible chap and knew there was zero racist intent - there is a massive difference between using certain language and being racist - tbh I've got no views whatsoever on greg whatisname and can see how he is probably not the right bloke in this day and age but jesus christ, when is this treading on eggshells and denying common sense going to be put in check - its not about what people think, its all about saying accepted stuff = a load of bollox.
Exactly the sort of complacent, careless fuckwittery that Clarke is guilty of. Why not "you pick up the number 8, I'll get number 10"? The fact you see this bloke and the colour of his face is the thing you settle on as your reference point damns you. Refusing to comprehend the issue, doubles down on the offense. We can't be "colourblind", insofar as we see the fact of his colour. If we're not racist we choose to act colourblind. It's a choice, pure and simple. Any trouble experienced in avoiding certain language or assumptions is the result of deep seated, unchallenged bigotry. You can change your behaviour, if you're sincere, in no time it becomes 2nd nature, you can overcome your conditioning, it's a choice. I hear bleating about people's age "it was different when I was growing up" that's hollow complacent appeasement for bigotry. I was exposed to all that same conditioning - the street I grew up on had one non-white household in 70; 6 years in primary school (in the 70's) -1 black girl the whole time I was there; 7 years in secondary school maybe 2 dozen non-white boys in the 1500 or so that passed through - active hostility was almost unheard of but all the racist tropes, generalisations, language were common parlance. I just don't repeat it, I can't remember when I did - I must have done cos 'back then' it would not have been challenged, but no more. "certain language" is racist. This is uncomfortable reading, I'm sure, but you'll get no apology from me. Any shrugging it off, 'oh it was a slip of the tongue', appeasement or equivocation leaves room for the bigotry to persist, oxygen for it to thrive.
complete prat as always - in the heat of the moment, you don't know the guy's number, he's just come on its a choice of black or dark to quickly identity him - i chose the latter thinking it was softer as i say, complete prat as always - i have black family, friends etc etc so don't for one minute think you know what you're talking about - go back to your mindless rants
used to work with a bloke who was so scared of his own shadow that when i asked him what the new project manager looked like, all he could come up with was 'mousy' - when i got to site and met her she was a 30 stone Indian woman!!! I rest my case.
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my mum banned swearing from our house as she gets very offended by the slightest rude word but rude words are acceptable for some & no one demands people stop using them on here because some are offended.
Do we live in a world where we need a list of words we are allowed to use on here & who decides what is offensive?
But I think there are a lot of people who treat freedom of speech like a card you wave that overrules any criticism of what you have said. It ain't that.
My life.
My message was more along the lines of 'stop being a cunt'.
You've been asked to not use a specific word that has historic offensive and nasty connotations. You've also been told the reason why. That should be enough for you to cease and desist. Instead, you double down and give more weight to your upbringing, and the justification for using such terms, as opposed to listening to the vast majority on this thread who are telling you that you're firmly in the wrong.
Millwall 1 Charlton 0
Groups who are not deserving because of the accident of their birth.
That goes for oppression of women too.
I don't know if the 'c' word is part of that oppression, but it is used in a more nasty way than 'prick' for example, and yet it is a reference to the private parts of a woman which are certainly not nasty.
I admit to using the 'c' word, but although it isn't much of an excuse it gets used because it has an impact about how much antipathy I feel, or how bad I feel the recipient is.
Describing Hitler as a wanker for example does not seem to cut it.
Organically perhaps the language needs to grow a word as an alternative to the 'c' word that is equally impactful.
I understand that back in Shakespeare's time the word 'naughty' was a shocker.
Ah, the old homogeneous grouping of thousands of people as a poor way of defending your position.
Seriously, listen to people when they say that the word you're using is offensive and request you stop. By not doing so you're flying in the face of common decency. Or are you trying to appear 'hard'?
It's really not a good look.
Why not "you pick up the number 8, I'll get number 10"?
The fact you see this bloke and the colour of his face is the thing you settle on as your reference point damns you.
Refusing to comprehend the issue, doubles down on the offense.
We can't be "colourblind", insofar as we see the fact of his colour. If we're not racist we choose to act colourblind. It's a choice, pure and simple. Any trouble experienced in avoiding certain language or assumptions is the result of deep seated, unchallenged bigotry. You can change your behaviour, if you're sincere, in no time it becomes 2nd nature, you can overcome your conditioning, it's a choice.
I hear bleating about people's age "it was different when I was growing up" that's hollow complacent appeasement for bigotry. I was exposed to all that same conditioning - the street I grew up on had one non-white household in 70; 6 years in primary school (in the 70's) -1 black girl the whole time I was there; 7 years in secondary school maybe 2 dozen non-white boys in the 1500 or so that passed through - active hostility was almost unheard of but all the racist tropes, generalisations, language were common parlance. I just don't repeat it, I can't remember when I did - I must have done cos 'back then' it would not have been challenged, but no more.
"certain language" is racist.
This is uncomfortable reading, I'm sure, but you'll get no apology from me.
Any shrugging it off, 'oh it was a slip of the tongue', appeasement or equivocation leaves room for the bigotry to persist, oxygen for it to thrive.
Ok homo's ? No doesn't sound appropriate.
Ok you sap's ? Sounds problematical.
Some of you doughnuts are Neanderthals;
It doesn't make you a bad person, but try to lose deep rooted prejudices which are so deeply ingrained that it subconsciously affects how you view other humans.
Clarke was like the player who commits 10 fouls and receives 2 yellow cards. In an industry that appears to have so many Black, mixed Race and players of different genders and sexual orientation, he had to go.
Whoever is the new FA chief in 2020, can't be clumsy with words. There are some strong black candidates but I hope the best man or woman gets the Job. This is unlikely because the FA panel who select, may well be the most unrepresenative people possible.
Here lies the problem.
Education is also key, and not just Black History, although that is important. We all, every single one of us, have black history - we all came out of Africa, and really not that long ago.
Please, someone just make this stop!
complete prat as always - in the heat of the moment, you don't know the guy's number, he's just come on its a choice of black or dark to quickly identity him - i chose the latter thinking it was softer as i say, complete prat as always - i have black family, friends etc etc so don't for one minute think you know what you're talking about - go back to your mindless rants
We've moved on. Perhaps you should get out of your historical bubble and do the same. It's not Wednesday anymore.
spot on - sheep who are told what to think - ignore them
used to work with a bloke who was so scared of his own shadow that when i asked him what the new project manager looked like, all he could come up with was 'mousy' - when i got to site and met her she was a 30 stone Indian woman!!! I rest my case.
And it sounds like some people havent moved on at all.