You can analyse the game to death but, if you gift any team two goals like we did tonight, you are going to struggle.
We’ll bounce back on Saturday-Ipswich will be more attacking and I can see us taking advantage of the additional space. We just need to defend better....
We lost because the make shift centre halves were found out. Bowyer was out thought by Buxton, their high press was making it very uncomfortable for our back four and we didn't change tactics until we were 2 down.
You can have a preferred way of playing, but if it isn't working, you have to change it. Before they scored I was calling for it to be changed by bypassing the press with longer balls. The accident that happened was waiting to happen.
Not the end of the world, but give Buxton credit. Their play was tidy and they successfully bullied us. At 3-2 I would have taken Gunter off (He looked Sunday league today) and played three at the back and tried to press them where they did look vulnerable. Today was certainly a case where defensively we were so poor that we had to attack as much as possible.
Maddison was supposed to be able to influence a game, Watson supposed to bring nous and wisdom. Gunter is not a central defender, he was a liability this evening, and senior or not Matthews is in better form and if we get defenders back Gunter is benched. Williams is less effective than JFC, hope JFC is available soon. Bowyer needs a dispassionate and unsentimental look at the squad...oh and some central defenders back!
Bit harsh on Gunter... he's in form at RB. Need at least one CB in as you say, though.
The defence lost us the game today, but Maddison really doesn't give off the impression he wants to be here, so frustrating as he clearly has talent. Hopefully he picks up over the next month, but Morgan should be starting ahead of him Saturday.
One thing I would say especially now we can make more is time to have a more settled starting 11, too much chopping and changing find your 11 players and make the others earn their spots. I do think too much tinkering leads players becoming complacent.
Egg on the faces for all the young know alls on this forum tonight. Grossly over milking certain players, reading results off of league positions, not realising that without Famewo/Inniss we are really nothing special in this league etc etc.
Lack of goal threat, trying to shoehorn unfit players like Maddison and Gilbey into the side, not starting centre halves and putting them on the bench. 442 was a crap selection with that midfield. A good manager would have changed it after 15 minutes.
Keep the LOL's coming as per Saturday but I say it again, there is no room for an individual player like Maddison in this TEAM. Walking down the tunnel when subbed just sums this prima donna up. A player that divides the dressing room. Scandalous performance/behaviour from him tonight.
A team wins 6 on the spin and keeps 7 clean sheets, then goes away to a mid table side and scrapes a draw.
Four days later, they concede four to the bottom side.
I suspect there is an issue among the lads.
Happy to be proved wrong, but we have gone from playing Championship football to playing dog shite, so for me - something is rotten in SE7.
Results like that happen though
Two years ago we lost 5-3 @ Scunthorpe, 2-1 at home to Coventry and then promptly beat Barnsley - Under Powell we got shell shocked by Colchester at the Valley when we hadnt lost all season before losing 4-2 at home to Notts County
Same with Curbishley and his 12 (?) game unbeaten run in 99/00 when Swindon came to the Valley
He doesn't need to play all those players. Yes Morgan is improving game by game and should have started. Gunter and Pratley have done well previously but I think the problem was more Gunter today than Pratley. I'd probably consider Pearce and Pratley on Saturday or as you say Pearce and Barker.
Agree with Oggy that Bowyer made it too complicated. He needs to learn from this and I'm sure he will. What I think Bowyer does need to take away from tonight is that if it isn't working change it. That doesn't always have to be changing players, but stop passing from the back and go longer.
Well, that was a waste of a tenner. Absolute shambles - did we ever pass the ball forward in the first half? All you heard from the match commentators was ‘Charlton play it backwards’ or ‘Charlton play it sideways’. How many goals have we conceded by fannying about at the back? Surely we have to do better on Saturday.
Egg on the faces for all the young know alls on this forum tonight. Grossly over milking certain players, reading results off of league positions, not realising that without Famewo/Inniss we are really nothing special in this league etc etc.
Lack of goal threat, trying to shoehorn unfit players like Maddison and Gilbey into the side, not starting centre halves and putting them on the bench. 442 was a crap selection with that midfield. A good manager would have changed it after 15 minutes.
Keep the LOL's coming as per Saturday but I say it again, there is no room for an individual player like Maddison in this TEAM. Walking down the tunnel when subbed just sums this prima donna up. A player that divides the dressing room. Scandalous performance/behaviour from him tonight.
You know a post is reactionary when it cites lack of goal threat as one of our problems after two of our strikers scored tonight.
Pratley/Watson/Gunter does not work when you are playing from the back.
Maatsen was poor but gets isolated so often.
Think this system is desperately missing a Cullen kind of figure. One that can retain possession and use it as well.
Looking at the cap I think we’ll pretty much have to use this squad going forward, so we need a lot of luck and potentially a tweaked system if we want to stay up there.
Maatsen was like Bambi on ice, simple change your boots mate.
It’s all well and good saying Pearce should have started given the result, but two calamity first half goals were not predicted. What was Amos doing for the second.
Maddison keeps trying that extra touch. Disappointed he went straight down the tunnel.
After the year we’ve all had I’m just ‘Meh and not outraged rather than 90% on Twitter.
We go again Saturday, I suspect Pearce will start. I hope Maatsen has new boots and Chucks and Washington start.
Team sheet teased me into believing we were in for a show. Names on paper mean nothing and our defending tonight was fit for Sunday park football sadly. Only bright light is that Lee has more than enough bodies in the squad to shake it up. Expect Pearce in at the weekend.
So do we think we can slow the game down and play it from the back at our own pace, without any pressure or issues? I just don't get it. It was like hitting option Z after 2 minutes.
also what has Bowyer got against wide midfielders or wingers? Maatsen and Matthews had no support when going forward (apart from when Morgan came on) - Maddison is a total waste of space and I don't know who ws supposed to be on the left side of midfield as there was never anyone there
It did look like we missed a proper left-sided player (Doughty). That's one area we will have to strengthen in January, if Bowyer doesn't want to play Williams there. Give Frederic Bulot a call....
Need those two centre-backs to return or at least try Pearce and Barker. Get Gunter back to right-back...he was good there prior to the injuries.
And get some striking back-up for Washington and Aneke. I feel for Bogle and I can't fault his effort but he actually looked like a non-league striker tonight and that's what he might be (I hope it comes good for him, I really do).
An awful start to the game from which we never recovered.
Yes we had 2 non-centre backs out there, but that wasn't what cost us the first 2 goals, as neither came from poor marking in the box or being outjumped by a big centre forward. The first one was a shocking pass by Gunter (who's passing for some reason was shocking tonight) and the second was a rick by Amos.
The defence was collectively awful, but so was the midfield. So often Pratley would come out with the ball and have NO outlet. It was extraordinary how much difference Morgan made when he came on. And where was everybody for Burton's 3rd goal? 2 defenders marking 3 attackers, really poor defensive tracking from the midfield I have to assume.
Maddison was ineffective again, and doesn't seem to fit into out system at all. Bogle was also ineffective, Bowyer has tried to big him up by saying that it's his workrate for an hour which softens up defences for Chuks, but Chucks came on after 30 minutes and still looked massively more dangerous.
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You can have a preferred way of playing, but if it isn't working, you have to change it. Before they scored I was calling for it to be changed by bypassing the press with longer balls. The accident that happened was waiting to happen.
Not the end of the world, but give Buxton credit. Their play was tidy and they successfully bullied us. At 3-2 I would have taken Gunter off (He looked Sunday league today) and played three at the back and tried to press them where they did look vulnerable. Today was certainly a case where defensively we were so poor that we had to attack as much as possible.
I'm not excusing how poor he is, but people are frothing at the bit to have a go at him for tonight.
(The low battery warning seems very fitting)
But for me thats not the same thing as being dropped
Lack of goal threat, trying to shoehorn unfit players like Maddison and Gilbey into the side, not starting centre halves and putting them on the bench. 442 was a crap selection with that midfield. A good manager would have changed it after 15 minutes.
Keep the LOL's coming as per Saturday but I say it again, there is no room for an individual player like Maddison in this TEAM. Walking down the tunnel when subbed just sums this prima donna up. A player that divides the dressing room. Scandalous performance/behaviour from him tonight.
Am glad he's as pissed off as us.
Two years ago we lost 5-3 @ Scunthorpe, 2-1 at home to Coventry and then promptly beat Barnsley - Under Powell we got shell shocked by Colchester at the Valley when we hadnt lost all season before losing 4-2 at home to Notts County
Same with Curbishley and his 12 (?) game unbeaten run in 99/00 when Swindon came to the Valley
Agree with Oggy that Bowyer made it too complicated. He needs to learn from this and I'm sure he will. What I think Bowyer does need to take away from tonight is that if it isn't working change it. That doesn't always have to be changing players, but stop passing from the back and go longer.
Trust me, scoring goals wasn’t the issue tonight.
Think this system is desperately missing a Cullen kind of figure. One that can retain possession and use it as well.
Looking at the cap I think we’ll pretty much have to use this squad going forward, so we need a lot of luck and potentially a tweaked system if we want to stay up there.
Oh well, on to Saturday
After the year we’ve all had I’m just ‘Meh and not outraged rather than 90% on Twitter.
Need those two centre-backs to return or at least try Pearce and Barker. Get Gunter back to right-back...he was good there prior to the injuries.
And get some striking back-up for Washington and Aneke. I feel for Bogle and I can't fault his effort but he actually looked like a non-league striker tonight and that's what he might be (I hope it comes good for him, I really do).
Rest today as it was only Burton and we shouldnt have needed him to get us out of trouble tonight
Play Saturday against Ipswich as Gilbey certainly wont be ready for another start
Will no doubt be rested again with MK Dons visiting the Valley next Wednesday
Yes we had 2 non-centre backs out there, but that wasn't what cost us the first 2 goals, as neither came from poor marking in the box or being outjumped by a big centre forward. The first one was a shocking pass by Gunter (who's passing for some reason was shocking tonight) and the second was a rick by Amos.
The defence was collectively awful, but so was the midfield. So often Pratley would come out with the ball and have NO outlet. It was extraordinary how much difference Morgan made when he came on. And where was everybody for Burton's 3rd goal? 2 defenders marking 3 attackers, really poor defensive tracking from the midfield I have to assume.
Maddison was ineffective again, and doesn't seem to fit into out system at all. Bogle was also ineffective, Bowyer has tried to big him up by saying that it's his workrate for an hour which softens up defences for Chuks, but Chucks came on after 30 minutes and still looked massively more dangerous.