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Ronnie Schwartz (Page 73 - contract cancelled)
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Guys can we clear this up.
I'm certain Nigel Adkins didn't say:
See them over there ( Hull celebrating behind him) that will be us next season.
I was convinced he said:
"See them over there, we want that to be us next season."
Which is a fair enough view to take especially when he had heard the Thomas Sandgaard quote.
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And then there are complaints that he won't "answer tough questions" on a zoom call. Given how people are hung up on one single off the cuff comment, no bloody wonder he's cagey about saying anything.Croydon said:
I cannot get over how many grown adults still hang onto this comment.golfaddick said:
Yeah, more fool me to believe someone when they say that:soapboxsam said:To make the top 6 you have some games you win in second or third gear. Other than Crewe, because they were imploding. Every other game we have struggled for long periods or even our other win at Fleetwood, was in the balance until the final whistle.
We need to improve just to get back to mid table let alone be in contention.
I wish in some ways the bar wasn't set so high this season by TS as we needed more time to recover from the stench of Southall and Co and get our infrastructure right.
If some Cafc fans didn't think it was a Shay Given we were going to romp this league back in the summer then the anger and your "not fit to wear the shirt" might have been sang later that the end of effing August !
They want to be in the Premier League in 5 years time.
We are going to "blow through this league"
"See them over there (Hull celebrating winning the title) - that will be us next season".
Best just not to say anything.5 -
Perhaps you need to concern yourself more with some of the really tough times several posters on here who have poured their heart out to seek help and guidance in their lives - and for the most part have been supported by fellow posters, most of whom don't know them from Adam.Garrymanilow said:
What an insane comment. How would you know if he doesn't know what a tough time is? You've said yourself we don't know about his situation. It's incredible to me that after Gary Speed and even more recently our own experience with Marcus Maddison people still revert to the 'footballers are paid lots of money and I like football so there can never be issues in their lives'. BonkersAddickted said:Tough time?
Poor dear. Has no idea what a tough time is.
Overpaid, under played, pampered and protected and not a word to the fans about his situation or why we haven't seen hide not hair of him for six months.
Are you telling me Madison and Schwartz haven't and weren't provided with heavyweight support throughout their career at Charlton? Do you think the club have left them to their hotel room and an Uber Eats account.
Do you think TL would not have bended over backwards to assist them in getting back to full 'fitness'? Do you not think thousands of pounds have been spent on them to provide phycological help (if that's what their problems are)?
Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture rather than focussing on an individual who cannot even bother to communicate with those who supported him and tried to 'understand'.3 -
His words were that will be us next seasonsoapboxsam said:Guys can we clear this up.
I'm certain Nigel Adkins didn't say:
See them over there ( Hull celebrating behind him) that will be us next season.
I was convinced he said:
"See them over there, we want that to be us next season."
Which is a fair enough view to take especially when he had heard the Thomas Sandgaard quote.4 -
People have long and excellent memoriesCroydon said:
I cannot get over how many grown adults still hang onto this comment.golfaddick said:
Yeah, more fool me to believe someone when they say that:soapboxsam said:To make the top 6 you have some games you win in second or third gear. Other than Crewe, because they were imploding. Every other game we have struggled for long periods or even our other win at Fleetwood, was in the balance until the final whistle.
We need to improve just to get back to mid table let alone be in contention.
I wish in some ways the bar wasn't set so high this season by TS as we needed more time to recover from the stench of Southall and Co and get our infrastructure right.
If some Cafc fans didn't think it was a Shay Given we were going to romp this league back in the summer then the anger and your "not fit to wear the shirt" might have been sang later that the end of effing August !
They want to be in the Premier League in 5 years time.
We are going to "blow through this league"
"See them over there (Hull celebrating winning the title) - that will be us next season".
Best just not to say anything.1 -
What on earth are you talking about? When did I say they hadn't been provided support? I'm sure they have. My issue, as I quite clearly said, was with you and plenty of others implying that he wasn't really having a difficult time (see your comment above) when you have absolutely no knowledge of what he has in fact been going through. How can you dismiss what his situation has been if you don't know anything about it? Maybe he had depression, maybe he just didn't fancy playing for Charlton. We don't know though so I don't know where you get your 'has no idea what a tough time is' comment from. Perhaps you can explain. While you're at it, what is this 'bigger picture' you're talking about? As far as I can tell you seem to just be upset that Ronnie hasn't told you exactly why he left Charlton which, if it's a mental health or personal issue, is none of your business, same as it would be in any other walk of life.Addickted said:
Perhaps you need to concern yourself more with some of the really tough times several posters on here who have poured their heart out to seek help and guidance in their lives - and for the most part have been supported by fellow posters, most of whom don't know them from Adam.Garrymanilow said:
What an insane comment. How would you know if he doesn't know what a tough time is? You've said yourself we don't know about his situation. It's incredible to me that after Gary Speed and even more recently our own experience with Marcus Maddison people still revert to the 'footballers are paid lots of money and I like football so there can never be issues in their lives'. BonkersAddickted said:Tough time?
Poor dear. Has no idea what a tough time is.
Overpaid, under played, pampered and protected and not a word to the fans about his situation or why we haven't seen hide not hair of him for six months.
Are you telling me Madison and Schwartz haven't and weren't provided with heavyweight support throughout their career at Charlton? Do you think the club have left them to their hotel room and an Uber Eats account.
Do you think TL would not have bended over backwards to assist them in getting back to full 'fitness'? Do you not think thousands of pounds have been spent on them to provide phycological help (if that's what their problems are)?
Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture rather than focussing on an individual who cannot even bother to communicate with those who supported him and tried to 'understand'.
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And neither do you. As it's none of your business.Garrymanilow said:
How can you dismiss what his situation has been if you don't know anything about it?Addickted said:
Perhaps you need to concern yourself more with some of the really tough times several posters on here who have poured their heart out to seek help and guidance in their lives - and for the most part have been supported by fellow posters, most of whom don't know them from Adam.Garrymanilow said:
What an insane comment. How would you know if he doesn't know what a tough time is? You've said yourself we don't know about his situation. It's incredible to me that after Gary Speed and even more recently our own experience with Marcus Maddison people still revert to the 'footballers are paid lots of money and I like football so there can never be issues in their lives'. BonkersAddickted said:Tough time?
Poor dear. Has no idea what a tough time is.
Overpaid, under played, pampered and protected and not a word to the fans about his situation or why we haven't seen hide not hair of him for six months.
Are you telling me Madison and Schwartz haven't and weren't provided with heavyweight support throughout their career at Charlton? Do you think the club have left them to their hotel room and an Uber Eats account.
Do you think TL would not have bended over backwards to assist them in getting back to full 'fitness'? Do you not think thousands of pounds have been spent on them to provide phycological help (if that's what their problems are)?
Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture rather than focussing on an individual who cannot even bother to communicate with those who supported him and tried to 'understand'.2 -
JohnnyH2 said:
His words were that will be us next seasonsoapboxsam said:Guys can we clear this up.
I'm certain Nigel Adkins didn't say:
See them over there ( Hull celebrating behind him) that will be us next season.
I was convinced he said:
"See them over there, we want that to be us next season."
Which is a fair enough view to take especially when he had heard the Thomas Sandgaard quote.
Unless the clip is played to prove me wrong I heard "see them over there, we want that to be us next Season"
My son had gone to the kitchen and I said that back to him verbatim when he returned.
How bizarre that we heard different words.
* I forget 99% of things my wife will say by the end of the day but remember football quotes for ever
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Excellent, now we're getting there. That is exactly my point; we don't know what his situation is, so should refrain from making wild claims like him having no idea what a tough time is and being pampered and protected. You'll notice I've given no opinion on his situation or his departure in our exchange. I'm glad we've figured this out.Addickted said:
And neither do you. As it's none of your business.Garrymanilow said:
How can you dismiss what his situation has been if you don't know anything about it?Addickted said:
Perhaps you need to concern yourself more with some of the really tough times several posters on here who have poured their heart out to seek help and guidance in their lives - and for the most part have been supported by fellow posters, most of whom don't know them from Adam.Garrymanilow said:
What an insane comment. How would you know if he doesn't know what a tough time is? You've said yourself we don't know about his situation. It's incredible to me that after Gary Speed and even more recently our own experience with Marcus Maddison people still revert to the 'footballers are paid lots of money and I like football so there can never be issues in their lives'. BonkersAddickted said:Tough time?
Poor dear. Has no idea what a tough time is.
Overpaid, under played, pampered and protected and not a word to the fans about his situation or why we haven't seen hide not hair of him for six months.
Are you telling me Madison and Schwartz haven't and weren't provided with heavyweight support throughout their career at Charlton? Do you think the club have left them to their hotel room and an Uber Eats account.
Do you think TL would not have bended over backwards to assist them in getting back to full 'fitness'? Do you not think thousands of pounds have been spent on them to provide phycological help (if that's what their problems are)?
Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture rather than focussing on an individual who cannot even bother to communicate with those who supported him and tried to 'understand'.
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I have made a point to myself to try and ignore most posts on here that annoy me, because I found myself over lockdown becoming to focused on others people views and it was sapping my enjoyment of what should have been some pleasant and often informative social media escapism - plus I also find it frustrating when arguments take over threads that don’t need them.Addickted said:
Perhaps you need to concern yourself more with some of the really tough times several posters on here who have poured their heart out to seek help and guidance in their lives - and for the most part have been supported by fellow posters, most of whom don't know them from Adam.Garrymanilow said:
What an insane comment. How would you know if he doesn't know what a tough time is? You've said yourself we don't know about his situation. It's incredible to me that after Gary Speed and even more recently our own experience with Marcus Maddison people still revert to the 'footballers are paid lots of money and I like football so there can never be issues in their lives'. BonkersAddickted said:Tough time?
Poor dear. Has no idea what a tough time is.
Overpaid, under played, pampered and protected and not a word to the fans about his situation or why we haven't seen hide not hair of him for six months.
Are you telling me Madison and Schwartz haven't and weren't provided with heavyweight support throughout their career at Charlton? Do you think the club have left them to their hotel room and an Uber Eats account.
Do you think TL would not have bended over backwards to assist them in getting back to full 'fitness'? Do you not think thousands of pounds have been spent on them to provide phycological help (if that's what their problems are)?
Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture rather than focussing on an individual who cannot even bother to communicate with those who supported him and tried to 'understand'.
However I would just like to point out that your last two posts on this thread have been utterly disgusting, childish and entitled, and to be honest it sadly does not surprise me that the first one has gained some ‘likes’ from fellow posters.
To claim that because someone is a footballer means they should ‘have it easier’ then someone who is not, especially, when it comes to something like mental health issues is such a disgraceful viewpoint that I suggest you go and speak to someone who is a professional in the area who may be able to enlighten you around that.
Calling him a poor dear and overpaid just because he has not communicated with the fans exactly what the exact issues are, physical, emotional or otherwise is indictment on all that is wrong with football fans today who expect individuals who find themselves in the fortunate position to play football for a living to be performing at 110% a day and be infallible to anything else life throws at them.
As a start I suggest maybe you listen to the mental well-balling podcast with Alex Gilbey (who may I add is not the first player to have made a positive comment about Schwartz) and start educating yourself a bit on the pressure footballers who are humans can feel and come under.
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One's perception of a player is all too often skewed. We only see them for 90ish minutes a game (if they play)and a few social media posts, or perhaps interviews. A majority of their time in training or recovery we do not see how they are.Quite difficult to come to a conclusion on the reasons for something when all the facts are not available, and in the case of someone's heath I believe that is their business to decide who should know.Sometimes things do not work out, I'm sure in work we have all experienced this. If it is best for both parties to end the contract then a good result IMO. This does not mean the finger of blame should be pointed.But a review of the methods and processes that lead to the recruitment is a valid action. I'm sure this has already been addressed within the club.3
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Bowyer said he was the best finisher at the club and he wouldn’t have lied, when players come to the UK from abroad it doesn’t always work out, we have had a lot of donkeys at Charlton but I still think he is still a fairly good player but this one just didn’t work out, in the few games he played he looked really out of place whenever he was on the pitch and never linked up with anyone so I’d be unsurprised if it was just the case he didn’t click and hated his time away from his homeland and his family, good luck to him for the remainder of his career.2
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Either that or he was blowing sunshine up his arse to try and instill some confidence in the poor lad.SheedyCAFC said:Bowyer said he was the best finisher at the club and he wouldn’t have lied, when players come to the UK from abroad it doesn’t always work out, we have had a lot of donkeys at Charlton but I still think he is still a fairly good player but this one just didn’t work out, in the few games he played he looked really out of place whenever he was on the pitch and never linked up with anyone so I’d be unsurprised if it was just the case he didn’t click and hated his time away from his homeland and his family, good luck to him for the remainder of his career.
Remember a video with Polish Pete doing some decent finishing in training, Chris Powell was on the side going: "Oh Lewandowski"1 -
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How about closing the thread? Seems like the right time.4
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Unfortunately closing the thread won't and shouldn't stop people posting about him. His name will still re-surface on a new thread about him specifically or in the middle of another that will possibly take that thread away from what the subject matter originally was.Crusty54 said:How about closing the thread? Seems like the right time.
I'm sure it won't be long before the mods remove it as a "sticky"2 -
It absolutely baffles me that you can still read comments on here inferring that because a bloke is well paid and has a good support network around him, he can't possibly understand what a 'tough time' is!
Even in 2021 and with the publicity that rightly surrounds it, it's perplexing that some folk still can't grasp and understand that mental illness is just that, an illness, and that it can manifest itself in anyone, just like any physical illness.25 -
Everyone is going batshit crazy.2
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Golfie reminds me of myself, says it as he see's it and does not look at things through rose tinted glasses. He has been right a lot more than he has been wrong.Rothko said:
Nonsense, you’ll still be complaining because I’ve seen enough of your posts in both the 2012 and 2019 seasons and you whined like a lame mule. Nothings been proved and the abuse you got pre season was deserved and you continue to deserve it.golfaddick said:
If you are referring to me then you don't know me because I'd rather be sitting 4th top than 4th bottom.Rothko said:Oh look the tiresome one is enjoying the poor start, what a surprise
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I am enjoying telling you all I WAS BLOODY RIGHT BACK IN JULY when you all dismissed my fears.
I get a load of abuse on here so I'm just fighting back when I've been proved right. I wish I hadn't, but I have.
He, and most of us have a right to "whine like a mule" because our transfer dealings, formations, team selections and overall play have been nothing short of a disaster. We are not 4th from bottom, used more players than anyone else and keep chopping and changing captains due to bad luck, we are there on merit.9 -
eaststandmike said:
Golfie reminds me of myself, says it as he see's it and does not look at things through rose tinted glasses.Rothko said:
Nonsense, you’ll still be complaining because I’ve seen enough of your posts in both the 2012 and 2019 seasons and you whined like a lame mule. Nothings been proved and the abuse you got pre season was deserved and you continue to deserve it.golfaddick said:
If you are referring to me then you don't know me because I'd rather be sitting 4th top than 4th bottom.Rothko said:Oh look the tiresome one is enjoying the poor start, what a surprise
However......
I am enjoying telling you all I WAS BLOODY RIGHT BACK IN JULY when you all dismissed my fears.
I get a load of abuse on here so I'm just fighting back when I've been proved right. I wish I hadn't, but I have.
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We’re in our worst footballing position in history and people can’t get moody and slag our whole wankiness off , give over we’re currently a disgrace on the pitch14
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Difference between being moody and those enjoying it to prove there so edgy and differentoohaahmortimer said:We’re in our worst footballing position in history and people can’t get moody and slag our whole wankiness off , give over we’re currently a disgrace on the pitch11 -
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Or perhaps the individuals you are referring to are just calling it as they see it?Rothko said:
Difference between being moody and those enjoying it to prove there so edgy and differentoohaahmortimer said:We’re in our worst footballing position in history and people can’t get moody and slag our whole wankiness off , give over we’re currently a disgrace on the pitch4 -
I agree but when you do have mental illness you look at others who also possibly have it and look at their life and support network and think to yourself 'have you really got it that hard?' then again i'm sure if some poor bloke from Yemen with mental illness would look at me and say the same thing.bazjonster said:It absolutely baffles me that you can still read comments on here inferring that because a bloke is well paid and has a good support network around him, he can't possibly understand what a 'tough time' is!
Even in 2021 and with the publicity that rightly surrounds it, it's perplexing that some folk still can't grasp and understand that mental illness is just that, an illness, and that it can manifest itself in anyone, just like any physical illness.
I see and hear from those who are imo much more privileged than myself talking about mental illness and unfortunately i get annoyed as I have no where near the same opportunities than them.
I'm not suggesting just cos they are privileged and have wealth and support that exempts them from having mental problems it's just i find it difficult to sympathise with them. That's my problem and i think anyone who has or had mental issues such as depression would understand that. It's a very selfish outlook.
When you don't have anything and you hear from someone who has it all crying about it comes across as insincere and seems to belittle the illness.
Like i said, i'm probably and most definitely looking at it the wrong way but i can understand why someone might say he doesn't know what a tough time is. then again do any of us? and would you want to know what a tough time is or wish it on anyone else for that matter??
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Nothing to add about Ronnie but is there a more annoying expression than "calls it like he/she/they see it"?
An absolute wasted use of words.5 -
I think there's a difference between finding it hard to sympathise with someone and overtly belittling someone else's experience (which you are not doing). The horrible thing about mental illness is it really doesn't care how much money you have. Money can get you a lot of great medical treatments but when it comes to the brain expensive therapy can help, but it isn't a guaranteed solve. I know a few very privileged people who have spent a lot on their mental health and are no better off for it. I know plenty who have masses of potential and their whole lives ahead of them who can't get out from under it, and some who others would say had everything who have sadly had it become too much for them and decided not to carry on. It's an absolute pig. The thing I've learned is that regardless of your background or your experience you can't live someone else's for them, and you can't feel it as they do either. In the end, if someone is telling you that something makes them feel a certain way then that is an absolute fact, regardless of what they might seemingly have in place that looks like it would mitigate the problem. With that in mind I think it's always best just to keep your powder dry on the mental health struggles of others (which I'm sure you do) rather than publicly questioning someone else's suffering, you never know how it will affect them.Karim_myBagheri said:
I agree but when you do have mental illness you look at others who also possibly have it and look at their life and support network and think to yourself 'have you really got it that hard?' then again i'm sure if some poor bloke from Yemen with mental illness would look at me and say the same thing.bazjonster said:It absolutely baffles me that you can still read comments on here inferring that because a bloke is well paid and has a good support network around him, he can't possibly understand what a 'tough time' is!
Even in 2021 and with the publicity that rightly surrounds it, it's perplexing that some folk still can't grasp and understand that mental illness is just that, an illness, and that it can manifest itself in anyone, just like any physical illness.
I see and hear from those who are imo much more privileged than myself talking about mental illness and unfortunately i get annoyed as I have no where near the same opportunities than them.
I'm not suggesting just cos they are privileged and have wealth and support that exempts them from having mental problems it's just i find it difficult to sympathise with them. That's my problem and i think anyone who has or had mental issues such as depression would understand that. It's a very selfish outlook.
When you don't have anything and you hear from someone who has it all crying about it comes across as insincere and seems to belittle the illness.
Like i said, i'm probably and most definitely looking at it the wrong way but i can understand why someone might say he doesn't know what a tough time is. then again do any of us? and would you want to know what a tough time is or wish it on anyone else for that matter??
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Without passing comment on Ronnie, anyone that is is guessing, there is a big difference between mental health and mental illness. It's important.1
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I can have no view on Ronnie’s personal situation because I don’t know any of the facts. What I can say with certainty is that I have never seen a player in a Charlton Shirt who was so invisible on the pitch. His goal aside, he quite literally contributed zilch and never looked like he wanted the ball. Whether that was anything to do with the unknown personal issues remains a matter of conjecture for those who have time to waste on it. His career before joining us appeared to have stalled badly, so whatever problems he had, he probably brought with him. Either that or he was simply a dud brought in as an ill advised vanity project by our well intentioned but naive new owner. My money is on a bit of both. Thomas has paid for his folly. A lesson and we move on. As a football matter, file under Omar Pousso, Cory Gibbs and Polish Pete. From a human point of view maybe some of us, myself included, have learned a little perspective. I wish Ronnie all the best.9
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@Sillybilly 100%. Never seen an experience professional player be so invisible throughout the game. Without being rude, there were times such as Fleetwood away when we might as well played with 10. Therefore, I assume he was going to be killer in the 18 yard box. Was hoping we would see him this season in a team which created chances to fairly judge him. Never happened and still guessing as to whether he was any good or not.1
