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Mmmmm.....don’t be telling me to get used to anything regarding Covid old pal!shine166 said:
Covid19 isn't going anywhere, get used to it.SoundAsa£ said:
In that case, we have a very good chance of “never” being Covid free!AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.
There has to be some penalties for those refuseniks, such as refusal of overseas travel.
I’ve forgotten more about it than you will ever know.4 -
You've had it (I presume), I know people that have died from it.SoundAsa£ said:
Mmmmm.....don’t be telling me to get used to anything regarding Covid old pal!shine166 said:
Covid19 isn't going anywhere, get used to it.SoundAsa£ said:
In that case, we have a very good chance of “never” being Covid free!AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.
There has to be some penalties for those refuseniks, such as refusal of overseas travel.
I’ve forgotten more about it than you will ever know.
Fact is, covid is here to stay old pal
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The majority of anti-vaxxers I've had the misfortune to listen to are incredibly ignorant and seem obsessed with conspiracy theories. It's really depressing the misinformation that is spread and I imagine this will just grow over time.
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The possibility is discussed here. Although proof would be very difficult I wonder whether the advances in genomic testing could confirm links.stonemuse said:
Which law?Hex said:
Fair enough provided anyone who refused a vaccination for no good reason and subsequently caused the death of an individual from Covid could be charged with manslaughter. Extreme maybe but in theory it could happen now under existing laws.AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.0 -
I very much doubt that, in the U.K., not having a vaccination will ever be equated with ‘where COVID-19 has been used to intentionally spread or attempt to spread the virus’.Hex said:
The possibility is discussed here. Although proof would be very difficult I wonder whether the advances in genomic testing could confirm links.stonemuse said:
Which law?Hex said:
Fair enough provided anyone who refused a vaccination for no good reason and subsequently caused the death of an individual from Covid could be charged with manslaughter. Extreme maybe but in theory it could happen now under existing laws.AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.0 -
Never going to happen where someone is charged with passing on Covid. It’s quite possible that someone could get charged with assault for deliberately coughing or spitting etc at someone whilst having the virus themselves but even if the “victim” here later developed the disease, the burden of proof that the infection was because of the assault would be impossible.0
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A new batch of appointments for second AZ vaccine have been added for this weekend.Anyone who is 8 weeks or more should have had an invite by text. If you don’t have a mobile or have trouble using the link please can you call us to rebook your new second dose appointment.07511 459 962 Or email us dgshealth.covidvaccination@nhs.netThis is for patients who had first dose Astra Zeneca at the following sites: Dartford Football Club, Swanley Town Council Alexandra Suite, Fleet Health Campus Building A.Mrs Hex is voluntering at Dartford Football Club today and they are taking walk-ups (for AZ / 8 weeks or more) that meet the above criteria.6
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I disagree. It wouldn't be very difficult to prove.Hex said:
The possibility is discussed here. Although proof would be very difficult I wonder whether the advances in genomic testing could confirm links.stonemuse said:
Which law?Hex said:
Fair enough provided anyone who refused a vaccination for no good reason and subsequently caused the death of an individual from Covid could be charged with manslaughter. Extreme maybe but in theory it could happen now under existing laws.AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.
It would be absolutely impossible.0 -
Just been Pfizer’d for the 1st time.
big up the Gravesham Civic Centre massive.11 -
Anything can be proved if you have the evidence.Chizz said:
I disagree. It wouldn't be very difficult to prove.Hex said:
The possibility is discussed here. Although proof would be very difficult I wonder whether the advances in genomic testing could confirm links.stonemuse said:
Which law?Hex said:
Fair enough provided anyone who refused a vaccination for no good reason and subsequently caused the death of an individual from Covid could be charged with manslaughter. Extreme maybe but in theory it could happen now under existing laws.AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.
It would be absolutely impossible.1 -
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Yes and if (big IF) you were lucky (or unlucky !) the variant of Covid that the perpetrator had was unique and matches that of his/her victims. Add in proximity evidence and you get your guilty verdict ... or perhaps I read too many crime books !hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Anything can be proved if you have the evidence.Chizz said:
I disagree. It wouldn't be very difficult to prove.Hex said:
The possibility is discussed here. Although proof would be very difficult I wonder whether the advances in genomic testing could confirm links.stonemuse said:
Which law?Hex said:
Fair enough provided anyone who refused a vaccination for no good reason and subsequently caused the death of an individual from Covid could be charged with manslaughter. Extreme maybe but in theory it could happen now under existing laws.AddicksAddict said:
I do - we don't live in a police state or dictatorship. It has to be a personal choice. History shows us what happens when the state decides things like this for us.MuttleyCAFC said:I have had my first vaccine and am due my second in a couple of weeks The main reason for doing this is not to prevent myself dying, but to prevent others dying, including my loved ones, and to allow this country to return to a normality as quickly as possible. Those of us that have done this, can't do it in isolation. We need everybody to do it. The bonus is, I am protected from dying and the vaccine is incredibly safe. I see no reason why we should go soft on those in society not willing to do their bit to get us all out of this mess.
It would be absolutely impossible.0 -
There are reports that people were having their appointments changed then turning up at the Alexandra Suite in Swanley and finding everyone has gone home. Apparently this has happened in previous weeks.
Also, when Mrs Hex arrived there yesterday afternoon there was a long queue because morning appointments had been cancelled, people turned away and asked to return in the afternoon, due to the wrong vaccine having been delivered.0 -
Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.4
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The correlation is the more that people are vaccinated the less they die of Covid 19.
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Try explaining that to the families of people who die soon after receiving the jab.0
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Nope, can't be bothered.thewolfboy said:Try explaining that to the families of people who die soon after receiving the jab.
Although I do know personally, 3 people that have died of Covid who live within 100 yards of me.
I know that 128,000 have died of or with Covid in the UK.
I know there have been 3.54M Covid deaths worldwide.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+19+deaths+uk&oq=Covid+19+deaths&aqs=chrome.1.0i433j0i131i433j0j0i433l2j0l4j0i457.9849j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
How many people do you know of that have died from the vaccine?
Is it more than 3.54M?5 -
Cancer deaths dropped during the worst of the COVID waves. Does that mean that COVID guarded against cancer?thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.1 -
Did you attend a single science or maths lesson at school? Did ANY of it sink in?thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.7 -
I'm confident thewolfboy told us he is a teacher.Leroy Ambrose said:
Did you attend a single science or maths lesson at school? Did ANY of it sink in?thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.1 -
I'm confident he told us that. I'm also confident he is not that.Covered End said:
I'm confident thewolfboy told us he is a teacher.Leroy Ambrose said:
Did you attend a single science or maths lesson at school? Did ANY of it sink in?thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.1 -
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thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.
Where Wolf?3 -
Johnnysummers5 said:thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.
Where Wolf?
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If any of you work in care homes you will know that many 'normal' deaths, especially cancer, have been attributed to Covid-19. This is a fact not conspiracy. One of the ways Muslims arranged for quick release for their loved ones was to agree to having Covid-19 on the death certificate otherwise it would take days/weeks to release the body.
Why don't you query the local council about how many deaths there were in 2020 and compare them to 2016/7/8/9 figures and you will get a true figure for 'excess deaths'.
Leroy, there is no need to be insulting. My Masters degree probably trumps your qualifications - unless you have a doctorate. The thing is don't blindly trust everything this government says. There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up. It begs the question why the scientists were fiddling around with such toxic materials in the first place.5 -
You originally said “unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout”, now you’re replying but have changed your words to the virus. So now you’re saying that care home deaths are caused by both the virus and vaccine?thewolfboy said:If any of you work in care homes you will know that many 'normal' deaths, especially cancer, have been attributed to Covid-19. This is a fact not conspiracy. One of the ways Muslims arranged for quick release for their loved ones was to agree to having Covid-19 on the death certificate otherwise it would take days/weeks to release the body.
Why don't you query the local council about how many deaths there were in 2020 and compare them to 2016/7/8/9 figures and you will get a true figure for 'excess deaths'.
Leroy, there is no need to be insulting. My Masters degree probably trumps your qualifications - unless you have a doctorate. The thing is don't blindly trust everything this government says. There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up. It begs the question why the scientists were fiddling around with such toxic materials in the first place.2 -
Right. Firstly. There has been NO leak of a virus from a lab in Wuhan or cover up. That is at this point a fact despite your conspiracy theory. Now it might well turn out that there was a leak and a Chinese government cover up but stop presenting things as facts when they are clearly not. As for deaths in care homes. You do understand that care homes are by definition full of elderly, frail and often sick people ? There is no shock that people die at any point before or after or even just after being vaccinated. I’ll give you another fact. A doctor will only put Covid on a death certificate if the patient has had Covid-19 confirmed. It’s not a cause of death that is used expediently to speed up the release of a body. People will be dying from all reasons and if the death is unexplained by a medical condition then the coroner will be involved. That is the law. If a Muslim family lose a loved one and the death cannot be established by the attending doctor as due to an existing medical condition then they too will need to have the cause of death established by Post Mortem. Far too much misinformation by online nut jobs and you are spreading some of them.thewolfboy said:If any of you work in care homes you will know that many 'normal' deaths, especially cancer, have been attributed to Covid-19. This is a fact not conspiracy. One of the ways Muslims arranged for quick release for their loved ones was to agree to having Covid-19 on the death certificate otherwise it would take days/weeks to release the body.
Why don't you query the local council about how many deaths there were in 2020 and compare them to 2016/7/8/9 figures and you will get a true figure for 'excess deaths'.
Leroy, there is no need to be insulting. My Masters degree probably trumps your qualifications - unless you have a doctorate. The thing is don't blindly trust everything this government says. There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up. It begs the question why the scientists were fiddling around with such toxic materials in the first place.13 -
Wu hon any relation to wu-tang?thewolfboy said:If any of you work in care homes you will know that many 'normal' deaths, especially cancer, have been attributed to Covid-19. This is a fact not conspiracy. One of the ways Muslims arranged for quick release for their loved ones was to agree to having Covid-19 on the death certificate otherwise it would take days/weeks to release the body.
Why don't you query the local council about how many deaths there were in 2020 and compare them to 2016/7/8/9 figures and you will get a true figure for 'excess deaths'.
Leroy, there is no need to be insulting. My Masters degree probably trumps your qualifications - unless you have a doctorate. The thing is don't blindly trust everything this government says. There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up. It begs the question why the scientists were fiddling around with such toxic materials in the first place.2 -
Probably best to ban the vaccines then - what difference have vaccines made through history? Good to have you as the voice of reason.thewolfboy said:Try explaining that to the families of people who die soon after receiving the jab.
The pro-vax movement are very dangerous. Too reliant on science for my liking.
Anecdotal evidence is far better.4 -
To be fair to wolfboy, isn't President Biden even looking into a possible leak at this Wuhan lab? Is Biden a conspirator?
I've no idea how it started and nor does anybody else here. I don't think of myself as a conspirasist theorist and I'm not an anti vaxer but I am still asking questions and suspicious of this Wuhan lab.
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Sorry just realised its the vaccine thread and deviated0
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Of course it needs investigation. It’s highly suspicious and the fact that the Chinese authorities are being pretty uncooperative makes things look worse but that’s a long long way from the @thewolfboy stating as fact that it’s true and I quote - “ There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up”. That I’m afraid is conspiracy theory at its finest and is both unhelpful and dangerous and I’m being fair to him.orpingtonRED said:To be fair to wolfboy, isn't President Biden even looking into a possible leak at this Wuhan lab? Is Biden a conspirator?
I've no idea how it started and nor does anybody else here. I don't think of myself as a conspirasist theorist and I'm not an anti vaxer but I am still asking questions and suspicious of this Wuhan lab.2
