I thought vaccines had saved millions of lives over the years but it transpires I was wrong and you just need to live a healthy and pure life. Not sure how it affects the immunocompromised but I'm sure they'll be okay.
Polio, smallpox etc are nothing to worry about just like Covid.
Stoneroses - The vast majority of people who contact Covid-19 recover. The stat I have is 99.7% but that was given to me several months ago. My answer, which you all scoff at, is live a really healthy life, eat good food and avoid alcohol/drugs. Purity is very important if you can go down that road. But perhaps most of all clean up the environment. We should be ashamed at how we have polluted our rivers, oceans, cities, everything really. Again I repeat I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have full faith that if I contact covid-19 that my body will fight it. Time will tell. You will all be delighted to hear that I am not renewing my season ticket because I assume we will need evidence of vaccination to enter the ground. I accept my wife and I will be unable to travel abroad, which is a bugger but I stand by my principles. I have never been vaccinated and will not start now.
Well it's a good job that the rest of us in society have a more sensible approach to vaccinations as it has allowed you and many of us to make it thus far in life without being struck down by the multitude of diseases and illness that vaccination programmes have mitigated over the past decades.
It is easy to take a "principled" approach when the rest of society is picking up the slack by risking our health to take vaccines of which you benefit.
You might think your approach is noble. I think it is sheer cowardice and ignorance safe in the knowledge that the rest of us "guinea pigs" as you scornfully call us will do the decent societal thing and step up and have the vaccine.
Don't lecture us about the environment, pollution etc (I presume you cycle on your foreign travel) when you benefit from the rest of us taking up vaccines to keep you safe.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
4 words, 3 of them factually incorrect. The other is "and".
The vaccine - yes it is scientifically a vaccine not a medicine - is fully licensed by the independent regulator the MHRA. It has also completed full clinical trials and so is fully tested and can no way be described as experimental. Experimental implies a new approach this is infact an old approach, the same one that's been used for decades for other vaccines including the annual flu vaccine and has just been tweaked for this particular virus. The flu vaccine by the way goes through much less extensive testing and smaller clinical trials each year but millions of people take it with no harm.
In what area of science does your expertise lie, in order for you to assert such claims? Or are they infact complete bullshit.
I do wonder if anti vaxxers have the remotest knowledge of the history of vaccines or have they just simply given up on science? It really is a strange movement....
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
Someone got stabbed on the streets of Greenwixh last week. I assume that was because of the vaccine too?
In fact it was. If we didn't have the wonderful vaccine working, saving lives and keeping people out of hospital we wouldn't be able to go out and about and get on with our lives so that guy wouldn't have been stabbed.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
Someone got stabbed on the streets of Greenwixh last week. I assume that was because of the vaccine too?
In fact it was. If we didn't have the wonderful vaccine working, saving lives and keeping people out of hospital we wouldn't be able to go out and about and get on with our lives so that guy wouldn't have been stabbed.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
Someone got stabbed on the streets of Greenwixh last week. I assume that was because of the vaccine too?
In fact it was. If we didn't have the wonderful vaccine working, saving lives and keeping people out of hospital we wouldn't be able to go out and about and get on with our lives so that guy wouldn't have been stabbed.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
Someone got stabbed on the streets of Greenwixh last week. I assume that was because of the vaccine too?
In fact it was. If we didn't have the wonderful vaccine working, saving lives and keeping people out of hospital we wouldn't be able to go out and about and get on with our lives so that guy wouldn't have been stabbed.
To be fair, im not sure them 2 men fighting in the street with blades would have been put off having a ruck if a vaccine still wasnt found 🤣
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
I've never met anyone who has such a pile of unfortunate anecdotes as you. Thankfully most people are not as deluded as you re the efficacy of vaccines.
Your arrogance re your health is stunning and worrying.
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
And what about the 3rd world where they dont have that and people still have to drink contaminated water and yet polio has been eradicated? nothing to do with a hugely successful and effective vacine?
No one is saying that a healthy diet and lifestyle doesn't help. but there is a massive element of genetics and luck involved too. Not everyone is going to be as lucky as you.
I am 26 fit and healthy, exercise regularly, eat a healthy balanced diet (moving more and more to a whole food diet) no health conditions at all. I'm not particularly worried about catching covid because statistically it is unlikely to be bad for me. Am I getting the vaccine? of course because it helps me and everyone else.
Conversely I know someone who is hugely fit, qualified nutritionist, physiotherapist, vegan, barely drunk any alcohol in his life, nearly qualified for the Olympics at rowing and martial arts, still involved in both sports - battling a horrible rare form of cancer at age 30.
Lifestyle helps but can only go so far. You should be thanking your lucky stars/whatever god you believe in that you have been lucky. Nothing more than that.
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
look man, don't get me involved. I had a reaction yes. After a couple of days that reaction has gone. If you don't want to take the vaccine or that particular one anyway then fine up to you. I'm not suggestion you are a liar with your examples but i and it seems everyone else on here have not heard of people having such severe reactions.
I had my second jab last Friday, and over the course of Sunday afternoon my legs turned red and very painful from the knee down. This can only be a little-known and unpleasant side-effect of the vaccine.
All I did was have a couple of beers and fall asleep in the sun. When I woke up, agony. Would never have had the jab if I'd known this would happen!
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
Do you have to warn new friends about the risk of hanging out with you? It doesn’t seem like you know one healthy person.
Stoneroses - The vast majority of people who contact Covid-19 recover. The stat I have is 99.7% but that was given to me several months ago. My answer, which you all scoff at, is live a really healthy life, eat good food and avoid alcohol/drugs. Purity is very important if you can go down that road. But perhaps most of all clean up the environment. We should be ashamed at how we have polluted our rivers, oceans, cities, everything really. Again I repeat I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have full faith that if I contact covid-19 that my body will fight it. Time will tell. You will all be delighted to hear that I am not renewing my season ticket because I assume we will need evidence of vaccination to enter the ground. I accept my wife and I will be unable to travel abroad, which is a bugger but I stand by my principles. I have never been vaccinated and will not start now.
It is great you are confident in your ability to fight it off. Are you equally confident that some poor sod you might pass it on to will be equally successful too? The people who are going to get us out of this nightmare are those that have been vaccinated and you will benefit from that.
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
I've never met anyone who has such a pile of unfortunate anecdotes as you. Thankfully most people are not as deluded as you re the efficacy of vaccines.
Your arrogance re your health is stunning and worrying.
the thing with anti vaxxers is it's never about actual facts and stats and repeatable testing with a control - it's always anecdotal. It's usually "I know a person and know of x amount of others who've had similar reactions" - regardless of whether the person they know personally actually had a problem related to a vaccine or completely unrelated, (as we all know, correlation does not mean causation) they then add on a number of other people who they don't actually know, but heard there might be something similar. This looks to inflate the figure from being one solitary person to now being a consistent trend, without any actual verification taken place or medical diagnosis. He literally won't be able to provide a peer studied response for all vaccines are bad, or that the covid vaccines are bad.
Vaccine's are possibly one of humanity's greatest discoveries and has comprehensively and provably impacted humanity incredibly positively.
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
I've never met anyone who has such a pile of unfortunate anecdotes as you. Thankfully most people are not as deluded as you re the efficacy of vaccines.
Your arrogance re your health is stunning and worrying.
the thing with anti vaxxers is it's never about actual facts and stats and repeatable testing with a control - it's always anecdotal. It's usually "I know a person and know of x amount of others who've had similar reactions" - regardless of whether the person they know personally actually had a problem related to a vaccine or completely unrelated, (as we all know, correlation does not mean causation) they then add on a number of other people who they don't actually know, but heard there might be something similar. This looks to inflate the figure from being one solitary person to now being a consistent trend, without any actual verification taken place or medical diagnosis. He literally won't be able to provide a peer studied response for all vaccines are bad, or that the covid vaccines are bad.
Vaccine's are possibly one of humanity's greatest discoveries and has comprehensively and provably impacted humanity incredibly positively.
Muttley - how am I going to pass on Covid-19 if I don't have it? I get checked regularly when I visit my Mum (also not vaccinated) in her independent care home. Stoneroses - Not all of my friends are discomfited, that's a daft point to assume. In fact one mate cycled to Italy last year. Awesome!
Canters - a friend of mine has Polio. She and several of her friends caught it about sixty years ago from playing with contaminated (sewerage) water. Sadly, she got it worse. You will argue that vaccinations fixed polio. I will argue that the main cause for the virtual end of Polio in this country is the vast improvement to our sewerage system. You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues. I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
Muttley - how am I going to pass on Covid-19 if I don't have it? I get checked regularly when I visit my Mum (also not vaccinated) in her independent care home. Stoneroses - Not all of my friends are discomfited, that's a daft point to assume. In fact one mate cycled to Italy last year. Awesome!
It’s not daft as almost every post you’ve made in the past week or so has mentioned someone you know who has either been extremely ill from the vaccine or has had a previous disease.
Had my first one (31) on Saturday 5th. Apart from a stonking headache for a few hours, I was fine. Booked my second one for Aug 21st.
More than happy to get it done as I want normality back like no ones business. Its good to know that the people getting vaccinated are doing there bit to keep others safe aswell as themselves.
Went to my local hospital and it was the training part and I was walking out, I glanced into a couple of classrooms and found rubber body parts scattered around for dissection! Like something out of a horror film haha!
Well covered end, if you check back a few pages you'll find palarse hater and Karim my Baghira had a dodgy reaction to this unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ that you are all so keen to endorse. Admittedly (and thankfully) no-one has dropped dead like my roofers mate. I am not making these cases up. You all read about the BBC presenter who died or has that now been dissed? My daughter has told me over the past four months that four of her friends have suffered miscarriages, which seems a high proportion to me but I have no idea if they are a direct result of the vaccination. Basically you are all guinea pigs for a vaccine that has not been properly tested.
look man, don't get me involved. I had a reaction yes. After a couple of days that reaction has gone. If you don't want to take the vaccine or that particular one anyway then fine up to you. I'm not suggestion you are a liar with your examples but i and it seems everyone else on here have not heard of people having such severe reactions.
You'll be used now as one of Wolfie's friends, he'll say your reaction was severe.
Stoneroses - The vast majority of people who contact Covid-19 recover. The stat I have is 99.7% but that was given to me several months ago. My answer, which you all scoff at, is live a really healthy life, eat good food and avoid alcohol/drugs. Purity is very important if you can go down that road. But perhaps most of all clean up the environment. We should be ashamed at how we have polluted our rivers, oceans, cities, everything really. Again I repeat I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have full faith that if I contact covid-19 that my body will fight it. Time will tell. You will all be delighted to hear that I am not renewing my season ticket because I assume we will need evidence of vaccination to enter the ground. I accept my wife and I will be unable to travel abroad, which is a bugger but I stand by my principles. I have never been vaccinated and will not start now.
the irony being is you're far, far, far more likely to die (as in, your life ending in the most awful way, lucid but having terrible hallucinations, gasping in panic for your very last breath, your loved ones being absolutely devastated) of covid 19, than having an adverse reaction to any approved vaccine (as in, a swollen arm, or anything that would then require further medical treatment).
I see you're also concerned with pollution and with animal welfare, I'm sure you'd back up these arguments of these, along with of your veganism with scientific data to back it up. So why is there a complete lack of scientific data to back up any claims that vaccines are bad for you?
It looks like its now actually impacting your lifestyle, your ability to do the things you love, travel abroad or go watch the addicks.
Your logic seems to be completely all over the place, you claim to have principles, but from what I can see it's basically impossible to work out what those principles are - sometimes based on science, other times completely not.
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Polio, smallpox etc are nothing to worry about just like Covid.
Who needs big science and big medicine?
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https://news.sky.com/story/father-34-in-hospital-for-nearly-five-months-with-covid-urges-caution-over-21-june-easing-12326951
The vaccine - yes it is scientifically a vaccine not a medicine - is fully licensed by the independent regulator the MHRA. It has also completed full clinical trials and so is fully tested and can no way be described as experimental. Experimental implies a new approach this is infact an old approach, the same one that's been used for decades for other vaccines including the annual flu vaccine and has just been tweaked for this particular virus. The flu vaccine by the way goes through much less extensive testing and smaller clinical trials each year but millions of people take it with no harm.
In what area of science does your expertise lie, in order for you to assert such claims? Or are they infact complete bullshit.
In fact it was. If we didn't have the wonderful vaccine working, saving lives and keeping people out of hospital we wouldn't be able to go out and about and get on with our lives so that guy wouldn't have been stabbed.
NHS site now open for bookings for the following age group
You can only use this service if any of the following apply:
- you're aged 25 or over
- you'll turn 25 before 1 July 2021
To book use the link belowhttps://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/
Do you howl at the moon?
You can all mock me as much as you like but I have never been vaccinated in my life and have never had any disease, don't suffer any allergies at all and am generally very fit for my age. Most of my mates are now suffering from all kinds of allergies, plus things like diabetes, asthma, cancer, ME and so forth. They know I am a vegan and jibe me for not boozing but I never talk about vaccination issues.
I am not a coward at all. I simply will not contaminate my blood system with the crap that is in the vaccines (I'm talking about vaccines in general). It's a free country and that is my choice. We'll see in the long run if vaccines fix the current Covid-19 problem or if the virus mutates as it usually does.
Your arrogance re your health is stunning and worrying.
No one is saying that a healthy diet and lifestyle doesn't help. but there is a massive element of genetics and luck involved too. Not everyone is going to be as lucky as you.
I am 26 fit and healthy, exercise regularly, eat a healthy balanced diet (moving more and more to a whole food diet) no health conditions at all. I'm not particularly worried about catching covid because statistically it is unlikely to be bad for me. Am I getting the vaccine? of course because it helps me and everyone else.
Conversely I know someone who is hugely fit, qualified nutritionist, physiotherapist, vegan, barely drunk any alcohol in his life, nearly qualified for the Olympics at rowing and martial arts, still involved in both sports - battling a horrible rare form of cancer at age 30.
Lifestyle helps but can only go so far. You should be thanking your lucky stars/whatever god you believe in that you have been lucky. Nothing more than that.
Vaccine's are possibly one of humanity's greatest discoveries and has comprehensively and provably impacted humanity incredibly positively.
I’ve seen the video!
Stoneroses - Not all of my friends are discomfited, that's a daft point to assume. In fact one mate cycled to Italy last year. Awesome!
More than happy to get it done as I want normality back like no ones business. Its good to know that the people getting vaccinated are doing there bit to keep others safe aswell as themselves.
Went to my local hospital and it was the training part and I was walking out, I glanced into a couple of classrooms and found rubber body parts scattered around for dissection! Like something out of a horror film haha!
I see you're also concerned with pollution and with animal welfare, I'm sure you'd back up these arguments of these, along with of your veganism with scientific data to back it up. So why is there a complete lack of scientific data to back up any claims that vaccines are bad for you?
It looks like its now actually impacting your lifestyle, your ability to do the things you love, travel abroad or go watch the addicks.
Your logic seems to be completely all over the place, you claim to have principles, but from what I can see it's basically impossible to work out what those principles are - sometimes based on science, other times completely not.