No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
Read the 6th paragraph of the article - which states that the measurement is from the original site of the Charing Cross, which was situated where the statue of Charles I is now, and not the site of the replica cross, which is now outside Charing Cross station.
You stick to football, I'll stick to maps and trains...
Most away fans rate us as an away day. ... closest club to central London, one stop from London Bridge, walking distance from The Bermondsey Mile, numerous old traditional pubs nearby on the river, Tower Bridge just up the road, plenty of history. Ok, certain parts of the surrounding areas are a bit of a shithole but away fans don’t have any reason to wander around those.
I’d say it has a lot more going for it than Charlton, which is set in a pretty soulless area, like a big industrial/trading estate. Not the greatest to get to either.
Greenwich is nice though, I’ll give you that. Love it there.
Can't disagree with you regarding the location - must be great for the up t'north fans seeing a bit of that there London.
Don't think it holds as much attraction for other south Londoners though, and being locked in for an hour in the pissing rain takes a bit of the shine off it. Also, it's nowhere near as good an atmosphere as the Old Den (I'm pretty sure you'll agree with that).
No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
The pub opposite the away turnstiles at Tranmere is great. Not many places you can leave the pub after 3pm and still see kickoff.
Most away fans rate us as an away day. ... closest club to central London, one stop from London Bridge, walking distance from The Bermondsey Mile, numerous old traditional pubs nearby on the river, Tower Bridge just up the road, plenty of history. Ok, certain parts of the surrounding areas are a bit of a shithole but away fans don’t have any reason to wander around those.
Sounds great, you forgot a couple of things. Having to dodge spanners and being kept in after the game.
...and being brutalised by the Old Bill on horses in that nightmare alley on way back to South Bermondsey station...
No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
The pub opposite the away turnstiles at Tranmere is great. Not many places you can leave the pub after 3pm and still see kickoff.
Jonjo turning up in the away end. Birkenhead such a dump that I'm still struggling to strike it from the list.
No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
The pub opposite the away turnstiles at Tranmere is great. Not many places you can leave the pub after 3pm and still see kickoff.
It's a bit of a hike from the station, and through what couldn't be described as an upmarket area! Always a laugh to sing 'your stands too big for you' rather than your ground (Gresty Road very much the same, another shithole)).
Most away fans rate us as an away day. ... closest club to central London, one stop from London Bridge, walking distance from The Bermondsey Mile, numerous old traditional pubs nearby on the river, Tower Bridge just up the road, plenty of history. Ok, certain parts of the surrounding areas are a bit of a shithole but away fans don’t have any reason to wander around those.
I’d say it has a lot more going for it than Charlton, which is set in a pretty soulless area, like a big industrial/trading estate. Not the greatest to get to either.
Greenwich is nice though, I’ll give you that. Love it there.
Can't disagree with you regarding the location - must be great for the up t'north fans seeing a bit of that there London.
Don't think it holds as much attraction for other south Londoners though, and being locked in for an hour in the pissing rain takes a bit of the shine off it. Also, it's nowhere near as good an atmosphere as the Old Den (I'm pretty sure you'll agree with that).
I don’t think there’s an all seater stadium in the country that beats it’s terraced predecessor for atmosphere.
As far as all seaters go though our atmosphere is usually pretty good. Obviously a lot of it can depend on the occasion, the opposition and what’s happening on the pitch. But if we wanted an atmosphere that was good all the time we’d have to orchestrate it, like those stripey pricks down the road and I don’t think anyone at Millwall would want that. We’d rather suffer the odd ‘flat’ game if it means the atmosphere remains sporadic and organic, rather than plastic.
No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
The pub opposite the away turnstiles at Tranmere is great. Not many places you can leave the pub after 3pm and still see kickoff.
Jonjo turning up in the away end. Birkenhead such a dump that I'm still struggling to strike it from the list.
He did indeed. I was sat a few rows from him. I think he was with Nathan Eccleston who we'd had on loan from Liverpool the season before. Was greet to see them both there. Have just looked Eccleston up and his 20 odd games for us were more than he made for any other club. He's now at Nuneaton in the National League North
No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
The pub opposite the away turnstiles at Tranmere is great. Not many places you can leave the pub after 3pm and still see kickoff.
Jonjo turning up in the away end. Birkenhead such a dump that I'm still struggling to strike it from the list.
He did indeed. I was sat a few rows from him. I think he was with Nathan Eccleston who we'd had on loan from Liverpool the season before. Was greet to see them both there. Have just looked Eccleston up and his 20 odd games for us were more than he made for any other club. He's now at Nuneaton in the National League North
I'm quite shocked by that. It does show that you have to be slightly wary about getting too excited about a loan from a top PL side. You could be getting the superstar of the future or you could be getting a bang average player who happens to be in the academy system of a big club (who can afford to have lots of dead wood)
Most away fans rate us as an away day. ... closest club to central London, one stop from London Bridge, walking distance from The Bermondsey Mile, numerous old traditional pubs nearby on the river, Tower Bridge just up the road, plenty of history. Ok, certain parts of the surrounding areas are a bit of a shithole but away fans don’t have any reason to wander around those.
I’d say it has a lot more going for it than Charlton, which is set in a pretty soulless area, like a big industrial/trading estate. Not the greatest to get to either.
Greenwich is nice though, I’ll give you that. Love it there.
This statement is laughable.
No they don't. They may rate London as a day out but by most provincial accounts the trip to Millwall is as grim as a january night in stoke.
The Valley is right by the station and in the middle of residential houses. It is a stadium and a location with soul and atmosphere and history and a the aura of a community coming together. And the away end is practically by the train station.
The Toolbox is a soulless rusty hellhole which is LITERALLY (and aptly) next door to a rubbish dump. Taking the train feels like you're getting out at a Nazi prisoner of war camp - and arriving on foot is an even grimmer experience.
What is impressive about Millwall as an away destination is that it is so close to tower bridge and is a modern stadium and is so central in the greatest city in the world - but it still manages to feel like an away day at the most unpleasant and deprived northern town you could imagine. In about 1983.
It is easy to get out with the train right there though, once they release you. Thank god.
Scunthorpe is as soulless as it gets. Built in the 1980’s in the middle of a retail park, it was one of the first of the “new” grounds. It makes you wonder how bad their previous stadium must have been. Bad sight lines and all the atmosphere of a nursing home. You half wish that the locals would attack you with broken bottles just to raise the excitement level a bit.
Scunthorpe is as soulless as it gets. Built in the 1980’s in the middle of a retail park, it was one of the first of the “new” grounds. It makes you wonder how bad their previous stadium must have been. Bad sight lines and all the atmosphere of a nursing home. You half wish that the locals would attack you with broken bottles just to raise the excitement level a bit.
Their previous ground was the Old Show Ground in the centre of Scunthorpe, which is a supermarket now - their old ground was the first in the country to have a cantilevered stand
Their new ground is indeed awful - no character at all
Any stadium placed in or at the arse end of a retail park or remote fields like ; Derby , Colchester, Stoke , Scunthorpe, Doncaster , Wycombe Wanderers .
Brighton because it is in the coldest dampers place in Britain and close to a railway station that takes ages to get to with few trains.
West Ham...what a place to try to get in an out of. Bloody awful experience.
When I was looking at Uni’s in the early 90’s, part of Sussex Uni’s “pitch” was that it was the sunniest university in the UK. The Uni is very close to Amex, so not sure Brighton can be the coldest / dampest...
I should add that there may be Polytechnics with better weather, but they don’t really count.
I usually drive to away games & it's the parking that is the problem for me, especially as over the years more restrictions have come into place as to where you can or can not park. Last season I signed up to some car parking app which was great & parked very easily & much cheaper than normal.
Worst to get to - Hull, Lincoln & Grimsby. All at the arsehole to nowhere & you drive what seems like miles & miles.
Once stayed in Bootle for game with Liverpool. Train in & we thought we would walk back to the City afterwards for food & beer. Got completely lost & spent an hour walking around deserted streets of what (I'm told) is the best place in the world.
Luton for the walk through peoples gardens.
Colchester for the pisstake of having to pay £6 to park opposite their ground for a pre-season game 2 years ago. Had to park there (I thought) as its miles from the town centre & surrounding roads are all double yellows. Little did I know that people had parked in the Macdonalds on the other side of the A12 & walked10 mins to the ground.
The Hull stadium is in the city, you can walk it from the train station. Three hour drive from Charlton, easier than Blackpool. The KCOM is actually closer to the city centre/train station than Boothferry.
Most away fans rate us as an away day. ... closest club to central London, one stop from London Bridge, walking distance from The Bermondsey Mile, numerous old traditional pubs nearby on the river, Tower Bridge just up the road, plenty of history. Ok, certain parts of the surrounding areas are a bit of a shithole but away fans don’t have any reason to wander around those.
I’d say it has a lot more going for it than Charlton, which is set in a pretty soulless area, like a big industrial/trading estate. Not the greatest to get to either.
Greenwich is nice though, I’ll give you that. Love it there.
‘MOST away fans rate us as an away day’ .. Well that’s not true. I guess if you go on enough other teams forums and spread your weird message, maybe some might start to believe you
I usually drive to away games & it's the parking that is the problem for me, especially as over the years more restrictions have come into place as to where you can or can not park. Last season I signed up to some car parking app which was great & parked very easily & much cheaper than normal.
Worst to get to - Hull, Lincoln & Grimsby. All at the arsehole to nowhere & you drive what seems like miles & miles.
Once stayed in Bootle for game with Liverpool. Train in & we thought we would walk back to the City afterwards for food & beer. Got completely lost & spent an hour walking around deserted streets of what (I'm told) is the best place in the world.
Luton for the walk through peoples gardens.
Colchester for the pisstake of having to pay £6 to park opposite their ground for a pre-season game 2 years ago. Had to park there (I thought) as its miles from the town centre & surrounding roads are all double yellows. Little did I know that people had parked in the Macdonalds on the other side of the A12 & walked10 mins to the ground.
The Hull stadium is in the city, you can walk it from the train station. Three hour drive from Charlton, easier than Blackpool. The KCOM is actually closer to the city centre/train station than Boothferry.
Of the "new" stadiums built post Taylor (I've probably forgotten a few)
Cardiff, Hull, Leicester are dull stadiums but well located. Huddersfield is well located Bolton and Brighton are remote but at least have a train service Wigan, Doncaster, Shrewsbury, Derby and MKD are dull grounds in dull locations, but not a horrendous walk. MKD probably has the best stadium and worst atmosphere due to its emptyness! Sunderland has a rather cutoff away section, but well located Stoke, Reading, Oxford and Colchester are poorly located for anything other than "drive to the game then drive home". Oxford does have compensations with its pubs though Wycombe is a nice little ground but horribly located for driving or the train, though I found a decent parking space last time
I usually drive to away games & it's the parking that is the problem for me, especially as over the years more restrictions have come into place as to where you can or can not park. Last season I signed up to some car parking app which was great & parked very easily & much cheaper than normal.
Worst to get to - Hull, Lincoln & Grimsby. All at the arsehole to nowhere & you drive what seems like miles & miles.
Once stayed in Bootle for game with Liverpool. Train in & we thought we would walk back to the City afterwards for food & beer. Got completely lost & spent an hour walking around deserted streets of what (I'm told) is the best place in the world.
Luton for the walk through peoples gardens.
Colchester for the pisstake of having to pay £6 to park opposite their ground for a pre-season game 2 years ago. Had to park there (I thought) as its miles from the town centre & surrounding roads are all double yellows. Little did I know that people had parked in the Macdonalds on the other side of the A12 & walked10 mins to the ground.
The Hull stadium is in the city, you can walk it from the train station. Three hour drive from Charlton, easier than Blackpool. The KCOM is actually closer to the city centre/train station than Boothferry.
Of the "new" stadiums built post Taylor (I've probably forgotten a few)
Cardiff, Hull, Leicester are dull stadiums but well located. Huddersfield is well located Bolton and Brighton are remote but at least have a train service Wigan, Doncaster, Shrewsbury, Derby and MKD are dull grounds in dull locations, but not a horrendous walk. MKD probably has the best stadium and worst atmosphere due to its emptyness! Sunderland has a rather cutoff away section, but well located Stoke, Reading, Oxford and Colchester are poorly located for anything other than "drive to the game then drive home". Oxford does have compensations with its pubs though Wycombe is a nice little ground but horribly located for driving or the train, though I found a decent parking space last time
Wycombe shouldn’t be anywhere near a worst away destinations thread. 2 words... White Horse
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No redeeming features with the possible exception of Middlesborough because of Ironopolis but that's outweighed by the milk bottle aerial bombardment at Ayresome.
You stick to football, I'll stick to maps and trains...
It's a bit of a hike from the station, and through what couldn't be described as an upmarket area! Always a laugh to sing 'your stands too big for you' rather than your ground (Gresty Road very much the same, another shithole)).
No they don't. They may rate London as a day out but by most provincial accounts the trip to Millwall is as grim as a january night in stoke.
The Valley is right by the station and in the middle of residential houses. It is a stadium and a location with soul and atmosphere and history and a the aura of a community coming together. And the away end is practically by the train station.
The Toolbox is a soulless rusty hellhole which is LITERALLY (and aptly) next door to a rubbish dump. Taking the train feels like you're getting out at a Nazi prisoner of war camp - and arriving on foot is an even grimmer experience.
What is impressive about Millwall as an away destination is that it is so close to tower bridge and is a modern stadium and is so central in the greatest city in the world - but it still manages to feel like an away day at the most unpleasant and deprived northern town you could imagine. In about 1983.
It is easy to get out with the train right there though, once they release you. Thank god.
Their new ground is indeed awful - no character at all
I should add that there may be Polytechnics with better weather, but they don’t really count.
The KCOM is actually closer to the city centre/train station than Boothferry.
Cardiff, Hull, Leicester are dull stadiums but well located.
Huddersfield is well located
Bolton and Brighton are remote but at least have a train service
Wigan, Doncaster, Shrewsbury, Derby and MKD are dull grounds in dull locations, but not a horrendous walk. MKD probably has the best stadium and worst atmosphere due to its emptyness!
Sunderland has a rather cutoff away section, but well located
Stoke, Reading, Oxford and Colchester are poorly located for anything other than "drive to the game then drive home". Oxford does have compensations with its pubs though
Wycombe is a nice little ground but horribly located for driving or the train, though I found a decent parking space last time