No surprise at all, in fact I expected it. Lot's of talk on here about our new manager bringing his own team in so I would expect Bowyer to do the same. The only way I can see JJ staying is if he is given the managers job and I am not getting the feeling Thomas is considering him.
Magnificent servant for Charlton and if he goes then I wish him nothing but success and happiness.
Club legend and one of my favourites to ever wear the famous red shirt. Always knew one day that he would leave the club but hoped that wouldn’t be for a very long time.
Wouldn’t have been this gutted since Yann left in 2014. Can’t imagine seeing the skipper wearing a different team badge.
Unless the new manager wants him to stay as his asstistant, I can't see a role for him here. He won't be offered the "big chair" and I can't see him stepping back as a coach. It's a shame, as unlike Bowyer, JJ really does have an affinity with this club and I would be sad to see him go
Unless the new manager wants him to stay as his asstistant, I can't see a role for him here. He won't be offered the "big chair" and I can't see him stepping back as a coach. It's a shame, as unlike Bowyer, JJ really does have an affinity with this club and I would be sad to see him go
We always hear how much Charlton means to Bowyer - the same Charlton that he has fucked off from twice (I’m probably being harsh). But Jackson is much more of a club legend than Bowyer will ever be.
Bowyer talked about his love and passion for Charlton, but JJ lives it. Ever since he arrived he has been the heartbeat of the team, firstly as a player and captain, then as a coach. If you want proof of how much he cares look at his reaction to the winner at Wembley.
If he leaves I wish him all the best and thank him, but I hope he stays.
@ricky_otto I agree. I never bought into Bowyer being "one of us". Everyone kept going on about his loyalty over the summer, but I don't recall reading anything about any club actually making an approach for him, just hearsay. The first time we know of a club wanting to employ him, he jumps ship to Birminham and sits there kissing the badge...............
Haven't kept up to date this evening with the news/rumours regarding our new man at the helm but from what I read earlier, Nigel Adkins might be The One.
As he won't have come directly from a post at another club, surely that could mean he won't have a management team in mind to accompany him .
As Curbs stated last night, we need someone who knows the squad if there's a faint possibility of the Play offs and seemingly Thomas has indicated he wants to appoint a manager for the long term....
...so surely JJ is by far the best option to assist NA.
Bowyer talked about his love and passion for Charlton, but JJ lives it. Ever since he arrived he has been the heartbeat of the team, firstly as a player and captain, then as a coach. If you want proof of how much he cares look at his reaction to the winner at Wembley.
If he leaves I wish him all the best and thank him, but I hope he stays.
You only have to see who the players celebrated with at the final whistle at Wembley.
Bowyer talked about his love and passion for Charlton, but JJ lives it. Ever since he arrived he has been the heartbeat of the team, firstly as a player and captain, then as a coach. If you want proof of how much he cares look at his reaction to the winner at Wembley.
If he leaves I wish him all the best and thank him, but I hope he stays.
You only have to see who the players celebrated with at the final whistle at Wembley.
I'm possibly having yet another "senior moment" but am I alone in wondering whether Jacko & Bow were as close a team as they would have us believe ?
I have no doubt that they were inextricably linked for the majority of the time they worked together with the one goal of promotion & despite the issues away from the pitch, they succeeded. All for one & one for all with regards to the squad of players and their close knit management team. Onwards & upwards together !
The euphoria lasted into the first months of the Championship season until injuries halted our progress, followed by the onset of the pandemic and the ramifications it brought whilst the ongoing ownership shenanigans continued to cast a dark cloud over our club & the embargo thwarted any chances of really strengthening the squad in an effort to save the season.
I cannot begin to understand what day to day life for JJ & Bow must have been like during that period and I would assume that facing the overwhelming issues as a team would have brought them closer together. Relegation at the very last knockings dealt everyone a devastating blow but those closest to it must have been shattered. With the ownership problems still unresolved, what did the future hold for our main men , and in effect, our club?
The arrival of our very own saviour was certain to have thrown everything into confusion - a welcome confusion but nevertheless one which must have posed so many questions as to how the new regime would affect all concerned. But, once the initial period of readjustment was over, a team emerged to begin the new season in a very positive manner. Expectations of bouncing back increased until the international break punctuated a successful run of matches and together with more long term injuries, things began to unravel somewhat.
From that point, we, the faithful, began to question the gaffer's decisions as, match after match, he tinkered with the starting line ups, made what appeared to be weird substitutions during games and in general his demeanour appeared to change. He began to point the finger at certain players in his post match interviews - something not seen previously. And he appeared to be feeling the strain of everything he'd had to deal with over the past year or more which is totally understandable. It is at this point that I query whether his close relationship with his close ally may have started to show cracks.
We all have our views on what may have happened at SL & in the dressing room but I stand by my feeling that it wasn't a happy place and that Bow was the one most likely to be responsible for the atmosphere there. I see Jacko as a more genial guy who'd likely be trying to balance things...good cop, bad cop ? I believe that players would confide in him and he would have found it challenging to be " piggy in the middle" twixt them & Bow. Not a great place to be IMO. He may have harboured feelings he couldn't share with the manager that festered and caused him more grief than he should have expected in his role. He possibly disagreed with decisions that Bow made especially those which I felt were overly harsh on certain players such as the re substitution of Jonny Williams. Who knows, but I wonder whether those last 4 months or so were responsible for damaging their relationship. I may be totally off my nut but it's just a gut feeling....
So, get to the point Fanny! Whatever words are used in a live interview, such as Jacko's post match with Scotty & Curbs on Tuesday evening, they might be viewed with some scepticism. For sure, I'm not accusing our caretaker manager of telling porkies but maybe he answered the questions posed in a manner which did not tell the complete story. Of course, he would confirm that he & Bow are very close - nothing to query there- but whether he is keen to go to the midlands as assistant again to Lee is possibly not as clear cut as some imagine.
Apologies for my ramble but I am concerned as to the legend that is Jacko's immediate future & deep down hope that he doesn't follow in his pal's footsteps to Birmingham. Whether or not he IS offered the top job here, where he is loved & much respected both on & off the pitch, I feel this is where he really wants to stay for the immediate future. And that his career might be more successful if he distances himself from his "mentor" at this moment in time.
Just want the very best for this very special young man and fervently hope it's here at our beloved football club.
IF it was Adkins, then JJ could learn so much under Nads. He would be a great mentor plus he has a great attitude.
Thomas said he wants to make a quick decision so tell JJ you still want him at the club to carry on learning under a more experienced manager than Bowyer.
12 years of all things Charlton Athletic shouldn't be lost at this stage. 10 games to go, it would be madness to let JJ leave now and the new manager not knowing the players well.
Adkins doesn't have a staff so it would be paramount that he has a right hand man who knows the set up and all the players.
Adkins may be a non starter but 1/6 normally win races.
10 plus years ago NA would have been in his prime, and a great signing
(No I’m not saying we should have got him instead of Chris Powell).
But his stock was pretty high.
But now? I’m not so sure is he yesterday’s man? I can’t even remember the last few clubs he’s managed without looking them up, would prefer JJ than NA.
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If he leaves I wish him all the best and thank him, but I hope he stays.
As he won't have come directly from a post at another club, surely that could mean he won't have a management team in mind to accompany him .
As Curbs stated last night, we need someone who knows the squad if there's a faint possibility of the Play offs and seemingly Thomas has indicated he wants to appoint a manager for the long term....
...so surely JJ is by far the best option to assist NA.
NA & JJ - The Dream Team !
Stay here JJ, the grass ain't always greener and Birmingham is a shit hole.
I have no doubt that they were inextricably linked for the majority of the time they worked together with the one goal of promotion & despite the issues away from the pitch, they succeeded. All for one & one for all with regards to the squad of players and their close knit management team. Onwards & upwards together !
The euphoria lasted into the first months of the Championship season until injuries halted our progress, followed by the onset of the pandemic and the ramifications it brought whilst the ongoing ownership shenanigans continued to cast a dark cloud over our club & the embargo thwarted any chances of really strengthening the squad in an effort to save the season.
I cannot begin to understand what day to day life for JJ & Bow must have been like during that period and I would assume that facing the overwhelming issues as a team would have brought them closer together. Relegation at the very last knockings dealt everyone a devastating blow but those closest to it must have been shattered. With the ownership problems still unresolved, what did the future hold for our main men , and in effect, our club?
The arrival of our very own saviour was certain to have thrown everything into confusion - a welcome confusion but nevertheless one which must have posed so many questions as to how the new regime would affect all concerned. But, once the initial period of readjustment was over, a team emerged to begin the new season in a very positive manner. Expectations of bouncing back increased until the international break punctuated a successful run of matches and together with more long term injuries, things began to unravel somewhat.
From that point, we, the faithful, began to question the gaffer's decisions as, match after match, he tinkered with the starting line ups, made what appeared to be weird substitutions during games and in general his demeanour appeared to change. He began to point the finger at certain players in his post match interviews - something not seen previously. And he appeared to be feeling the strain of everything he'd had to deal with over the past year or more which is totally understandable. It is at this point that I query whether his close relationship with his close ally may have started to show cracks.
We all have our views on what may have happened at SL & in the dressing room but I stand by my feeling that it wasn't a happy place and that Bow was the one most likely to be responsible for the atmosphere there. I see Jacko as a more genial guy who'd likely be trying to balance things...good cop, bad cop ? I believe that players would confide in him and he would have found it challenging to be " piggy in the middle" twixt them & Bow. Not a great place to be IMO. He may have harboured feelings he couldn't share with the manager that festered and caused him more grief than he should have expected in his role. He possibly disagreed with decisions that Bow made especially those which I felt were overly harsh on certain players such as the re substitution of Jonny Williams. Who knows, but I wonder whether those last 4 months or so were responsible for damaging their relationship. I may be totally off my nut but it's just a gut feeling....
So, get to the point Fanny! Whatever words are used in a live interview, such as Jacko's post match with Scotty & Curbs on Tuesday evening, they might be viewed with some scepticism. For sure, I'm not accusing our caretaker manager of telling porkies but maybe he answered the questions posed in a manner which did not tell the complete story. Of course, he would confirm that he & Bow are very close - nothing to query there- but whether he is keen to go to the midlands as assistant again to Lee is possibly not as clear cut as some imagine.
Apologies for my ramble but I am concerned as to the legend that is Jacko's immediate future & deep down hope that he doesn't follow in his pal's footsteps to Birmingham. Whether or not he IS offered the top job here, where he is loved & much respected both on & off the pitch, I feel this is where he really wants to stay for the immediate future. And that his career might be more successful if he distances himself from his "mentor" at this moment in time.
Just want the very best for this very special young man and fervently hope it's here at our beloved football club.
JJ at Birmingham, just sounds so wrong.
IF it was Adkins, then JJ could learn so much under Nads. He would be a great mentor plus he has a great attitude.
Thomas said he wants to make a quick decision so tell JJ you still want him at the club to carry on learning under a more experienced manager than Bowyer.
12 years of all things Charlton Athletic shouldn't be lost at this stage. 10 games to go, it would be madness to let JJ leave now and the new manager not knowing the players well.
Adkins doesn't have a staff so it would be paramount that he has a right hand man who knows the set up and all the players.
Adkins may be a non starter but 1/6 normally win races.
(No I’m not saying we should have got him instead of Chris Powell).
But his stock was pretty high.
But now? I’m not so sure is he yesterday’s man? I can’t even remember the last few clubs he’s managed without looking them up, would prefer JJ than NA.