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  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,222
    CH4RLTON said:
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
    I'm not a huge fan of Amos but that is harsh.  Some very good one on one stops.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    CH4RLTON said:
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
    Shewsbury away in the play off semi was arguably one of the best save I have ever seen.

    I think he won us more points last season than he cost us.  The 2 seasons he has been our number one we have finished 6th and 7th and he wasn't the reason we didn't finish higher in either.

    I suspect, where ever Ben does sign, he will want a minimum of 2 years with the guarantee that he will start this season as number 1.  Its probably his last contract as a number 1 with a biggish league 1 club. 

    I would like him to stay, it's one less new player to find then bed in.  I don't think there has ever been any issue with his attitude?  I don't think we would, in league 1, be able to attract anyone significantly better.  At the same time if he did leave its not the end of the world because there will be dozens of keepers available that aren't significantly worse either. 



  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Henry Irving said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
    I'm not a huge fan of Amos but that is harsh.  Some very good one on one stops.
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
    Shewsbury away in the play off semi was arguably one of the best save I have ever seen.

    I think he won us more points last season than he cost us.  The 2 seasons he has been our number one we have finished 6th and 7th and he wasn't the reason we didn't finish higher in either.

    I suspect, where ever Ben does sign, he will want a minimum of 2 years with the guarantee that he will start this season as number 1.  Its probably his last contract as a number 1 with a biggish league 1 club. 

    I would like him to stay, it's one less new player to find then bed in.  I don't think there has ever been any issue with his attitude?  I don't think we would, in league 1, be able to attract anyone significantly better.  At the same time if he did leave its not the end of the world because there will be dozens of keepers available that aren't significantly worse either. 



    This and this.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,701
    Amos form improved under Adkins, looking more reassured but having another first choice level keeper will push him.

    Personally think he will go and good luck to him if he does...all keepers make howlers but he has made some outstanding saves aswell.
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,525
    I don’t think Amos has been too bad, but neither would I be thinking why did NA let him go if he did move on. If we have a reasonable enough budget for our level, I think we will be able to do better in that department and probably should be doing.

    The long shot goals from opposition were frustrating to see, but not as frustrating as seeing Amos goal kicking to defenders in our area from restarts. I put any of those f**k ups last season wholly down to him for not telling those in front of him to p*ss off upfield before kicking it long.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,496
    king addick said:
    Amos form improved under Adkins, looking more reassured but having another first choice level keeper will push him.

    Personally think he will go and good luck to him if he does...all keepers make howlers but he has made some outstanding saves aswell.
    Think he knows he not number one next season and perhaps that’s what making him seek a move 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,521
    edited June 2021
    I feel a bit sorry for all this almost anti Amos stuff, he has earned us points as well as cost us a few, but any keeper will have their ups and downs, that's the nature of the beast i'm afraid, should he go, and I hope he doesn't, he will be sorely missed, and who is in the frame really as a replacement, very quite regarding the Pompey guy.
    Still a couple of weeks till players return, so lets hope for some good news regarding in's and retentions, god knows we could do with some.
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    CH4RLTON said:
    As others have have sad , you can't really remember him pulling off any worldy saves.

    Safe pair of hands but nothing special, most vocal we've ever had either.
    Bradford away in his first season and Shrewsbury away in the second leg spring to mind when it comes to worldie saves. 

    He was unreal against Sunderland away last season also, good keeper for this level.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RonnieMoore said:
    king addick said:
    Amos form improved under Adkins, looking more reassured but having another first choice level keeper will push him.

    Personally think he will go and good luck to him if he does...all keepers make howlers but he has made some outstanding saves aswell.
    Think he knows he not number one next season and perhaps that’s what making him seek a move 
    You think he knows he isn't going to be number 1 next season?  If he knows that he won't be signing.  At 31 he isn't going to sign to sit on the bench in league 1.  Maybe in the championship, for more wedge.

    Who he think is number one next season? 
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    RonnieMoore said:
    king addick said:
    Amos form improved under Adkins, looking more reassured but having another first choice level keeper will push him.

    Personally think he will go and good luck to him if he does...all keepers make howlers but he has made some outstanding saves aswell.
    Think he knows he not number one next season and perhaps that’s what making him seek a move 
    Is he seeking a move or as he’s out of contract is he just doing the logical thing that most of us would do and that’s see if there’s anything better out there. 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,496
    Sage said:
    Think there will be a good few bits of activity this coming week. With pre-season starting very soon, things are going to get sorted and players will have decisions to make. Expecting a relatively busy week and will be disappointed if it doesn’t turn out to be.
    Not much happens till teams return … 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Sage said:
    Think there will be a good few bits of activity this coming week. With pre-season starting very soon, things are going to get sorted and players will have decisions to make. Expecting a relatively busy week and will be disappointed if it doesn’t turn out to be.
    Think this makes sense. A lot of players will want things sorted out before pre season gets going. Not having a proper pre season is usually a disaster for a player. 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,756
    Rothko said:
    My views on Amos changed with the Rochdale game, all the talk to Worldies, but 2 of those 4 were very very saveable, and went in centrally, so my confidence in Amos went there
    Not digging you out, just playing devils advocate for a bit. Is it fair to judge a keeper on one game? That may have been a culmination for you, which is fair enough, but the defence was also poor that game. There is no doubt his form dipped as his cb’s disappeared and his manager was digging out anyone he could find.

    But, I honestly think he’s a bit underrated on here. I also think Nigel Adkins is an outstanding manager to have if you’re a goalkeeper who thrives on confidence. He made no mistakes in the last ten games under Adkins and pulled off some excellent saves.

    What I feel also goes under the radar a bit is his excellent kicking, a couple of brilliant balls to Doughty and Millar stick in my mind, and really good ability to collect and catch crosses. His physique also means he’s never shaken off the ball.

    I have already said I don’t think he’s irreplaceable, far from it, but when we played Amos behind Inniss and Famewo, I never really thought we were going to concede.
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,521
    edited June 2021
    Would be happy to keep Amos as number 1 but equally as happy if MacGillivray comes in as number one. 

    I do think people were a little harsh on Amos earlier in the season, we invited sides to take shots from from outside the box on a regular basis with little/no closing down. No doubt there were a couple that he could have done better with but he won us more points than he lost us. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    I think it's worth pointing out Adkins previous comments as referenced in Cawley's story linking Amos to Ipswich.

    If Amos signs for us he will be our number 1.  No ifs, no buts.  With that in mind I think it's safe to say we have offered him "proper league 1 money" and probably a multi year deal.

    I think the suggestion that we have offered him a contract to sit on the bench is fantasy. 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I think it's worth pointing out Adkins previous comments as referenced in Cawley's story linking Amos to Ipswich.

    If Amos signs for us he will be our number 1.  No ifs, no buts.  With that in mind I think it's safe to say we have offered him "proper league 1 money" and probably a multi year deal.

    I think the suggestion that we have offered him a contract to sit on the bench is fantasy. 
    Believe we have offered him a 2 year deal or 1 year with the option of another, either way it’s pretty much a 2 year deal. All with the thinking that they hope Maynard-Brewer is our number one in a couple of seasons. It’s why he needs a loan this season and I am sure he will do well out on loan too.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Sage said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I think it's worth pointing out Adkins previous comments as referenced in Cawley's story linking Amos to Ipswich.

    If Amos signs for us he will be our number 1.  No ifs, no buts.  With that in mind I think it's safe to say we have offered him "proper league 1 money" and probably a multi year deal.

    I think the suggestion that we have offered him a contract to sit on the bench is fantasy. 
    Believe we have offered him a 2 year deal or 1 year with the option of another, either way it’s pretty much a 2 year deal. All with the thinking that they hope Maynard-Brewer is our number one in a couple of seasons. It’s why he needs a loan this season and I am sure he will do well out on loan too.
    In an ideal world AMB would spend the next 2 seasons out on loan, the second of which would have to be league 1. 

    IMO it takes a keeper about 100 games for them to actually get anywhere near there potential level.   We have seen that with both Phillips and Pope.  The quicker and less risk adverse that is the better. 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    RedRobin said:
    Not fussed on Amos, wouldn’t be upset if he left but equally I wouldn’t be unhappy if we kept him, it’s a bit of a weird one. 
    That’s how I feel. I quite like him and wouldn’t be too fussed if he was out GK next season, but I also wouldn’t lose any sleep if he left. I’ve  always been impressed with the Portsmouth keeper and would chose him over Amos. 
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  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,665
    edited June 2021
    I think the below is an interesting comment from NA - it looks as though he might be managing expectations a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we've been priced out of some of our targets if the reports of Wigan offering £10k a week to Sonny Bradley are true.

    "We’re looking to progress. We know it is going to be challenging because a lot of other clubs are looking to do the same, and a lot of clubs are potentially paying more money than us."
  • esseffect
    esseffect Posts: 493
    Amos made plenty of quality saves this season. The goal just took a bashing because of our defence. 

    He made a few mistakes yeah, but that’s league 1 for you.
  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,148
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    One definite announcement next week with a second looking very likely.
    Incomings or contract renewals?
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,107
    If Amos and Marshall don’t want to be part of the revolution, it’s their loss 
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    Addickhead86 said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    One definite announcement next week with a second looking very likely.
    Incomings or contract renewals?
    Haven’t had names confirmed but I suspect one of each based on a previous conversation.

    Not Fraser or Gomes though, if either of those happen I imagine it will be much further down the line.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Out of contract players have 10 days to get a new contract somewhere, or have no money, so expect some to sign or move on by the end of next week. I am not ITK
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,820
    ross1 said:
    Out of contract players have 10 days to get a new contract somewhere, or have no money, so expect some to sign or move on by the end of next week. I am not ITK



    Out of contract players also usually get paid in July (for some reason...).
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,222
    Pedro45 said:
    ross1 said:
    Out of contract players have 10 days to get a new contract somewhere, or have no money, so expect some to sign or move on by the end of next week. I am not ITK



    Out of contract players also usually get paid in July (for some reason...).
    Effectively it's their month's notice.

    It's a hang over from an era when all players were on one year renewable contracts and the clubs had total control over who was retained or released.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    ross1 said:
    Out of contract players have 10 days to get a new contract somewhere, or have no money, so expect some to sign or move on by the end of next week. I am not ITK
    They get paid for July anyway, I am not sure if they get "double bubble" if they resign/or sign for someone else.   This came up last season iirc.

    It is probably part of the reason older players who are likely to be taking a pay cut normally sign later in the window. 
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