If we top the group then remaining games are at home , but against the best teams @ Wembley, come 2nd easy teams not @ Wembley, perhaps GS is playing the long game?
We play in Rome for the quarter final if we top the group. The rest would be at Wembley.
The highlight was remembering i’d used my free bet on a draw so thanks very much to Bob’s lot!
I'd forgot that, having already backed 2-0 to England earlier in the week, I had subsequently used my free £5 to back "no goal scorer" @ 10/1
Have just backed "no goal scorer" in the Czech game too albeit at nothing like the 10/1 available for the Scotland game - I could see neither side bothering to cross the half way line!!!
It’s out the way, it’s done. They need to really sit down and analyse the performance and Southgate needs to realise that Grealish has to start. He’s direct, he makes stuff happen.
Can’t stand the overreaction tho. Philips is now shit after being a revelation. Kane, albeit poor in both games, is now overrated. Fucking hell, there’s a weird stigma around England where fans have zero patience and expect everything all the time. They wouldn’t for their club sides.
It’s out the way, it’s done. They need to really sit down and analyse the performance and Southgate needs to realise that Grealish has to start. He’s direct, he makes stuff happen.
Can’t stand the overreaction tho. Philips is now shit after being a revelation. Kane, albeit poor in both games, is now overrated. Fucking hell, there’s a weird stigma around England where fans have zero patience and expect everything all the time. They wouldn’t for their club sides.
There is no doubt the quality Kane has…..the thing that really cheeses me off with him is the fact that you have to set your team up around him and it doesn’t work!
I always want us to win and that includes beating Scotland. But it doesn't bother me if Scotland are having a good tournament as I am pleased if they do. They will never have a chance of winning it whereas we have. The question is, whether our best chance is playing to our strengths or covering up our weaknesses. I believe and it seems many supporters agree that it is the former, Southgate clearly believes it is the latter. Of course he as England manager has a lot of pressure on him to succeed, or maybe from his viewpoint, not to fail and that affects the decision making of the insecure. I would say the role of England manager is insecure to a degree and definitely open to acute criticism.
It’s out the way, it’s done. They need to really sit down and analyse the performance and Southgate needs to realise that Grealish has to start. He’s direct, he makes stuff happen.
Can’t stand the overreaction tho. Philips is now shit after being a revelation. Kane, albeit poor in both games, is now overrated. Fucking hell, there’s a weird stigma around England where fans have zero patience and expect everything all the time. They wouldn’t for their club sides.
I don’t think he starts Grealish next game. He seemed content with the draw and I think we’ll see a similar 11 with changed wingbacks. How he hasn’t tried the Mount/Chilwell partnership down the left side is staggering. It helped Chelsea win the CL!
Phillips definitely isn’t shit, but that game did not suit him at all. Asking him to dictate play in small pockets couldn’t be further outside his skill set. Kane has been poor but I still would start him every game no questions asked. They need to find a way to get him some service. With fullbacks that crossed the halfway line more than twice a game he’d be able to play further forward.
It’s the system that needs changing more than anything. Let’s have a go rather than limping out in the RO16
Haven't seen anyone say Phillips is shit, but he definitely should have been pulled last night so we could have at least changed shape. Kane needs to be sat down and told he is not to come back so deep, he's playing as a lone striker and needs to be in and around the box at all times. I'd be tempted to drop him for the Czech Republic game just to give the squad some minutes.
Someone earlier in this thread said another manager could pick a team from whatever Southgate leaves on the bench and they would hammer whatever team he picked. For me that is 100% on the money. Devoid of ideas, far too negative, boring and lack any form of intent to take the game by the scruff of the neck. I know people say it in jest but there are alot of similarities from when Bowyer seemed to be overthinking stuff rather than just letting the players play. How can anyone justify taking Foden off last night and leaving Sterling on ? He is just being stubborn now imo and is putting an England team on the pitch that plays to a standard I wouldnt have thought possible from the group available.
The question as to whether England have the credentials to go as far as the semis has for me been well and truly answered. We clearly don’t. The next and biggest question for me is whether Southgate resigns, not necessarily through failure but because it’s time or he gets relieved should we fail to progress beyond the group. I really do think that there is a nucleus of a young and potentially pretty good side in that England squad. Get the right coach in and we could just look and do better than we currently are. The problem of course is who and are the suits in the FA capable of being bold ?
Haven't seen anyone say Phillips is shit, but he definitely should have been pulled last night so we could have at least changed shape. Kane needs to be sat down and told he is not to come back so deep, he's playing as a lone striker and needs to be in and around the box at all times. I'd be tempted to drop him for the Czech Republic game just to give the squad some minutes.
He has been played out of position by an absolute dinosaur of a coach!
What about Rice? He was dog turd! Should have bombed him and put Phillips back in the role he is most familiar with, which got him rightly picked in the first place!
Haven't seen anyone say Phillips is shit, but he definitely should have been pulled last night so we could have at least changed shape. Kane needs to be sat down and told he is not to come back so deep, he's playing as a lone striker and needs to be in and around the box at all times. I'd be tempted to drop him for the Czech Republic game just to give the squad some minutes.
He has been played out of position by an absolute dinosaur of a coach!
What about Rice? He was dog turd! Should have bombed him and put Phillips back in the roll he is most familiar with, which got him rightly picked in the first place!
You're shouting as if I've slagged Phillips off, I haven't. We should have taken either he or Rice off last night as the game didn't need two DMs. That was clear to see. I would personally have taken Phillips off for Bellingham and let Rice continue to sit deep to break up the play.
well, the result does not surprise me. If Scotland weren't so small minded (celebrating a scoreless draw against a second rate England performance) they could pose a problem for any team and always qualifier for these tournaments.
Yesterday, just like the Croatia semi final and the two Belgium games shows Southgate's insufficiencies. The subs were all complete wrong. Foden off?! Rashford as centre forward?! keeping Sterling stuck out on the wing?! keeping the same formation with Phillips and Rice in the middle?! The same system that doesn't suit Kane. The complete lack of tempo in our passing or movement... etc...
I can't be arsed to type out all the other problems that I see with yesterday and Englands performances in general but on a positive note Pickford was superb.
Not shouting at all mate! Phillips was one of our better players on Sunday, out of position!
All Rice did was go sideways and backwards! Don’t see the fascination with Rice at all! Phillips role in a Bielsa side is dropping deep to collect the ball and passing forward at speed! Rice is so pedestrian!
Southgate just wants to see possible opponents are 🙄🙄
it’s one game we will bounce back against the czech although a draw would see us finish 2nd and have a preferable tie, Sweden or Slovakia most likely instead of Portugal or Germany
Welcome back Gary, your a different poster when you're sober !
The line up yesterday wasn't totally negative, two full backs who get forward and Phillips who as in the first match can get forward. but the Scottish players to a man were excellent, aided by our 'lack of intensity" (quote by Ming's)
We have bags of talent in this side but as Belgium have found out it can take a couple of tournaments to get tournament hardened, But for Southgate this is Carpe Diem and if he doesn't seize the day by being positive and using Grealish with the various young talents around him to receive his passes he will regret it. You attack in numbers and defend in numbers so you need young legs in midfield. We have this in abundance. If he can't get the best out of Grealish and perm any 3 of Mount,Foden, or Bellingham, with Rice or Phillips in the holding role he will rued it in his dotage.
Having both Kane and Sterling in erratic form is a problem, Southgate is paid big bucks and needs to make big decisions.
Back to reality, and the young Lions will realize the pressure is racked up in tournaments. Best if they don't read social media or read papers today.
Funny how it goes, before the tournament started I was deeply concerned about Mings and Pickford and thought our attack would be unreal. Mings hasn't put a foot wrong and Pickford has been comfortable, meanwhile we look hopeless up top
It’s out the way, it’s done. They need to really sit down and analyse the performance and Southgate needs to realise that Grealish has to start. He’s direct, he makes stuff happen.
Can’t stand the overreaction tho. Philips is now shit after being a revelation. Kane, albeit poor in both games, is now overrated. Fucking hell, there’s a weird stigma around England where fans have zero patience and expect everything all the time. They wouldn’t for their club sides.
It's not about him being shit, it was about him and Rice playing against a team likely to need to be broken down. Might be an option against a good team you're hoping to soak up pressure and hit on the break etc, but definitely the wrong choice last night.
The Scotland love in is doing my head in a bit, it's a big day out for them, not often they get a chance like this, obviously their fans are going to be loud. I also don't understand what game people were watching where the reviews are that they played well? 0-0 when they need 3 points and sat back most of the game?
Anyway
We are crap, we are wasting such a good opportunity with a boring manager. Nice bloke but he would get a team relegated in the prem, so why is he managing us? Sterling looks undroppable which concerns me cause he's pants, Kane looks more worried about not getting an injury for his big move rather than playing for the badge, no leadership on the pitch. Did anyone look bothered to yous? Where was our leaders trying to create some urgency to win? Either we have a very arrogant team who don't care about the fans or we have a team so nervous they are limiting themselves.
Get rid of the double pivot, it's embarrassing. Start Bellingham and Sancho as a right centre mid and right winger, two actual teammates who have had a good season together, Grealish left wing with Foden lcm, why not have Mount in the middle, good energy and can keep the ball. I don't see the need for 2-3 fridge freezers in midfield.
Anyway I don't see us going further than ro16, if we had a manager who was brave and had actual football tactics we could win the whole thing, a manager like Bielsa springs to mind, unfortunately we have a geography supply teacher in charge
It’s out the way, it’s done. They need to really sit down and analyse the performance and Southgate needs to realise that Grealish has to start. He’s direct, he makes stuff happen.
Can’t stand the overreaction tho. Philips is now shit after being a revelation. Kane, albeit poor in both games, is now overrated. Fucking hell, there’s a weird stigma around England where fans have zero patience and expect everything all the time. They wouldn’t for their club sides.
Bang on mate.
Edit...albeit whilst I do think kane is class I think he's overrated in pundits proclaiming he is world class and think that's not helped him pressure wise. That's what I meant about being overrated ie not in same league as Shearer original Ronaldo, van batten, lineker, romario, Henry, Ibrahimovic etc
Thank Christ watched it down pub and had a laugh. If watched at home would have been throwing the TV out the window. Charlton in early FA Cup rounds v Northwich etc
So called £150m players looking no better than those that wouldn’t come near to the QPR best player award.
On your way back from the pub could you pass my house and lift my tele back through the window for me. Thanks
I have not been watching Premier games so, can someone please shed some light on whether the Chelsea full back James always checks 10yds in to the attacking half to pass back in club football?
The Scotland love in is doing my head in a bit, it's a big day out for them, not often they get a chance like this, obviously their fans are going to be loud. I also don't understand what game people were watching where the reviews are that they played well? 0-0 when they need 3 points and sat back most of the game?
Anyway
We are crap, we are wasting such a good opportunity with a boring manager. Nice bloke but he would get a team relegated in the prem, so why is he managing us? Sterling looks undroppable which concerns me cause he's pants, Kane looks more worried about not getting an injury for his big move rather than playing for the badge, no leadership on the pitch. Did anyone look bothered to yous? Where was our leaders trying to create some urgency to win? Either we have a very arrogant team who don't care about the fans or we have a team so nervous they are limiting themselves.
Get rid of the double pivot, it's embarrassing. Start Bellingham and Sancho as a right centre mid and right winger, two actual teammates who have had a good season together, Grealish left wing with Foden lcm, why not have Mount in the middle, good energy and can keep the ball. I don't see the need for 2-3 fridge freezers in midfield.
Anyway I don't see us going further than ro16, if we had a manager who was brave and had actual football tactics we could win the whole thing, a manager like Bielsa springs to mind, unfortunately we have a geography supply teacher in charge
Completely agree about the 2 defensive midfielders and Bellingham and Sancho.
Just posted in the other thread:
agree 4 points will be fine which is why we need to rest players and give others a go in the Czech game.
Trippier and Chilwell full backs, get them to push on. Play Stones and Maguire to test Maguire's fitness.
Play one of Rice and Phillips, with Bellingham and Grealish the others in the 3.
Give Sancho a go on the right, rest Kane and play DCL. I'd potentially still start Foden on the left, he's not played 90mins yet so should be fine.
Forget trying to get players in behind Kane, try to play to what should be our strengths given the pace of the PL, quick passing between good players.
I have not been watching Premier games so, can someone please shed some light on whether the Chelsea full back James always checks 10yds in to the attacking half to pass back in club football?
For Chelsea he’s at the byline whipping in 3 or 4 quality crosses a game.
Shaw attacked down the left flank and played well other that a messed up shot, come, cross in the box.
Kane is not over rated, and it's why every top club in the world would want him. But he has had two poor games and doesn't play his best football in the Summer tournaments. Remember him off the pace when he played for the U21, 6 years ago.
Is his ankle giving him problems because he took a heavy kick early doors yesterday, and was sluggish until he went off ?
I have not been watching Premier games so, can someone please shed some light on whether the Chelsea full back James always checks 10yds in to the attacking half to pass back in club football?
For Chelsea he’s at the byline whipping in 3 or 4 quality crosses a game.
The difference is staggering.
It has to be a mentality thing. People always blaming Southgate but the drop in performance levels cannot be just down to him. Players need to take a bit of responsibility. I’m expecting a turnaround Tuesday.
Well I have to say I’m a bit disappointed that we didn’t take one of our chances, especially Stephen O’Donnell who was excellent (funnily, I thought he should have been pulled at HT against the Czechs because he was dog shit and wasn’t too impressed that he started last night)
But, of all the results I’ve seen us get against England, a draw is certainly not the worst and I believe I heard (was pretty pissed) the 0-0 is only the 4th or 5th 0-0 in the fixtures history so not all bad.
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Phillips definitely isn’t shit, but that game did not suit him at all. Asking him to dictate play in small pockets couldn’t be further outside his skill set. Kane has been poor but I still would start him every game no questions asked. They need to find a way to get him some service. With fullbacks that crossed the halfway line more than twice a game he’d be able to play further forward.
Yesterday, just like the Croatia semi final and the two Belgium games shows Southgate's insufficiencies. The subs were all complete wrong. Foden off?! Rashford as centre forward?! keeping Sterling stuck out on the wing?! keeping the same formation with Phillips and Rice in the middle?! The same system that doesn't suit Kane. The complete lack of tempo in our passing or movement... etc...
I can't be arsed to type out all the other problems that I see with yesterday and Englands performances in general but on a positive note Pickford was superb.
it’s one game we will bounce back against the czech although a draw would see us finish 2nd and have a preferable tie, Sweden or Slovakia most likely instead of Portugal or Germany
The line up yesterday wasn't totally negative, two full backs who get forward and Phillips who as in the first match can get forward. but the Scottish players to a man were excellent, aided by our 'lack of intensity" (quote by Ming's)
We have bags of talent in this side but as Belgium have found out it can take a couple of tournaments to get tournament hardened, But for Southgate this is Carpe Diem and if he doesn't seize the day by being positive and using Grealish with the various young talents around him to receive his passes he will regret it.
You attack in numbers and defend in numbers so you need young legs in midfield. We have this in abundance.
If he can't get the best out of Grealish and perm any 3 of Mount,Foden, or Bellingham, with Rice or Phillips in the holding role he will rued it in his dotage.
Having both Kane and Sterling in erratic form is a problem, Southgate is paid big bucks and needs to make big decisions.
Back to reality, and the young Lions will realize the pressure is racked up in tournaments. Best if they don't read social media or read papers today.
Might be an option against a good team you're hoping to soak up pressure and hit on the break etc, but definitely the wrong choice last night.
Anyway
We are crap, we are wasting such a good opportunity with a boring manager. Nice bloke but he would get a team relegated in the prem, so why is he managing us? Sterling looks undroppable which concerns me cause he's pants, Kane looks more worried about not getting an injury for his big move rather than playing for the badge, no leadership on the pitch. Did anyone look bothered to yous? Where was our leaders trying to create some urgency to win? Either we have a very arrogant team who don't care about the fans or we have a team so nervous they are limiting themselves.
Get rid of the double pivot, it's embarrassing. Start Bellingham and Sancho as a right centre mid and right winger, two actual teammates who have had a good season together, Grealish left wing with Foden lcm, why not have Mount in the middle, good energy and can keep the ball. I don't see the need for 2-3 fridge freezers in midfield.
Anyway I don't see us going further than ro16, if we had a manager who was brave and had actual football tactics we could win the whole thing, a manager like Bielsa springs to mind, unfortunately we have a geography supply teacher in charge
Bang on mate.
Edit...albeit whilst I do think kane is class I think he's overrated in pundits proclaiming he is world class and think that's not helped him pressure wise. That's what I meant about being overrated ie not in same league as Shearer original Ronaldo, van batten, lineker, romario, Henry, Ibrahimovic etc
Just posted in the other thread:
agree 4 points will be fine which is why we need to rest players and give others a go in the Czech game.
Trippier and Chilwell full backs, get them to push on. Play Stones and Maguire to test Maguire's fitness.
Play one of Rice and Phillips, with Bellingham and Grealish the others in the 3.
Give Sancho a go on the right, rest Kane and play DCL. I'd potentially still start Foden on the left, he's not played 90mins yet so should be fine.
Forget trying to get players in behind Kane, try to play to what should be our strengths given the pace of the PL, quick passing between good players.
The difference is staggering.
Kane is not over rated, and it's why every top club in the world would want him.
But he has had two poor games and doesn't play his best football in the Summer tournaments. Remember him off the pace when he played for the U21, 6 years ago.
Is his ankle giving him problems because he took a heavy kick early doors yesterday, and was sluggish until he went off ?
But, of all the results I’ve seen us get against England, a draw is certainly not the worst and I believe I heard (was pretty pissed) the 0-0 is only the 4th or 5th 0-0 in the fixtures history so not all bad.