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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

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  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited January 2022
    Pelling1993 said:
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Didn’t know he was 6 foot 1!
    He's so hunched over when he plays he must be about 5'7 during the game 
    I’m not sure that works as a song. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,507
    edited January 2022
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited January 2022
    Leuth said:
    Will absolutely get Championship interest over the summer. We need to convince him we're going places. 

    He certainly puts a few other defensive midfielders we've recently had into context
    Partly because the people we have used as defensive midfielders aren't really defensive midfielders and have ended up playing there by default.

    He is a specialist 
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    Yes, I guess Big Dazza's role was Destroyer Of Worlds rather than anything so subtle as 'defensive midfielder' 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    I'd agree he's POTY so far - sticks to players like sh*t to a blanket and has good awareness and vision - a real asset 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leuth said:
    Yes, I guess Big Dazza's role was Destroyer Of Worlds rather than anything so subtle as 'defensive midfielder' 
    Pratley didn't play there when he was younger though did he? 

    I don't know if its something to do with academies, or something else, but generalist midfielders seem to be like rocking horse shit, it limits the way teams can play and you still end up with players doing "a job". 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    He's very rated. 

    Imo he's a very good ball-carrier who will run fast at defences all day, a shabby passer, a weak tackler and someone who should never, ever shoot from range, in that order.

    I think his skillset is more that of a winger than a CM tbh, except his crossing would probably be even worse than the incumbents'. 

    Still, his energy and drive is probably a net positive in our side. I strongly feel he isn't good enough to start for a promotion team, but he'd be a great option off the bench, especially to run at tired defences.

    Dobson on the other hand is a complete midfielder. 

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  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    He's very rated. 

    Imo he's a very good ball-carrier who will run fast at defences all day, a shabby passer, a weak tackler and someone who should never, ever shoot from range, in that order.

    I think his skillset is more that of a winger than a CM tbh, except his crossing would probably be even worse than the incumbents'. 

    Still, his energy and drive is probably a net positive in our side. I strongly feel he isn't good enough to start for a promotion team, but he'd be a great option off the bench, especially to run at tired defences.

    Dobson on the other hand is a complete midfielder. 
    I don't even know where to start in reply to this post. Jesus Christ.
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    Agreed - He's deceptively quick and carries the ball better than anyone. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    jacob_CAFC said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    Agreed - He's deceptively quick and carries the ball better than anyone. 
    Yes, which is exactly what I said in my post that apparently can't be replied to 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    TBH they are both irreplaceable, without Gilbey we are too one paced and a bit ploddy in midfield. 

    IMO Dobson, Gilbey and JFC would be an outstanding league 1 midfield.  Gilbey should play as the most advanced, he is at his best when he can run past the strikers. 
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,240
    seth plum said:
    Wasn’t there once a song called ‘Hey there Georgie girl’?
    Is it well known, could it be adapted?
    Or we get George adapted and have his tackle cut off?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    Caveat: Gilbey did completely dominate and destroy Ipswich that one time. Showed a few more strings to the bow than usual that game. But generally he's a running and dribbling machine whose passing and tackling is probably inferior to the average League One standard
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,457
    I really like AG, but the fact is that he doesn't (well hasn't to date) score or create enough goals. He clearly has the ability, and Saturday's run for the second goal is what he should be doing more of.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,363
    randy andy said:
    I really like AG, but the fact is that he doesn't (well hasn't to date) score or create enough goals. He clearly has the ability, and Saturday's run for the second goal is what he should be doing more of.
    That was a fresh Gilbey against a tired defence (pushing for an equaliser), which is why he was particularly incisive. As I say, an option we should explore more. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,212
    edited January 2022
    Leuth said:
    Yes, I guess Big Dazza's role was Destroyer Of Worlds rather than anything so subtle as 'defensive midfielder' 
    Pratley's role for us was 'please try and create some semblance of control in amongst a midfield that has absolutely no idea what it's doing and no interest in finding out either'. I really think Dobson would have struggled in the Bowyer diamond last season because there was never any concept of what the midfield was trying to achieve. We had Gilbey having absolutely no idea where to be, Maddison, Williams or Shinnie trying to create with nothing in front of or behind them, Albie getting lost and JFC trying to find passes for players who weren't moving. In amongst all that Pratley's job was to somehow try and marshal three midfielders who had no idea what to do, which is why he was always haring around everywhere clobbering people before they used the gaps we had. There's a reason we generally got better results when we played Pratley and Watson together, even if it was a war crime. We saw under Adkins how lost Dobson can look without the right instructions, I think he would have been a disaster last season, which says a lot about what we put up with.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,233
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.


    I agree with you CEL.
    Anyone who was at the Ipswich home game for Alex Gilbey's master class missed a treat. After Dobson, Gilbey would always be the next name on the sheet.

    I love JJ ( in a football sense !) but I do believe he panicked a tad in dropping Gilbey and when he came on instead of the struggling Lee, the midfield energy and running of Dobson defensively, and the born again athlete that is Morgan chasing every thing down we improved so much and we ended up with a strong 11 on the field with Washington and Gilbey.
    The youngster Burstow is a natural goal scorer and is learning his trade in men's football. 

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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    i agree - i like Gilbey and think Lee should be rested instead but apparentkly the thinking behind Gilbey being rested for a bit is that he drifts out of games for long spells - not something i've noticed particualrly although he does seem to be able to go up a gear evey now and then 
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,554
    Gilbey has qualities are other midfielders lack, mainly his ability to carry the ball.  Against Ipswich he was superb, his best game i've seen for us probably. 
    However, he doesn't really score (4 in 43 games for us), doesn't assist and is pretty poor without the ball. Our worst culprit at giving away stupid fouls when the opposition isn't going anywhere. Overall I like him, but 'criminally underrated' is absurd to be honest. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cafcsinger said:
    Gilbey has qualities are other midfielders lack, mainly his ability to carry the ball.  Against Ipswich he was superb, his best game i've seen for us probably. 
    However, he doesn't really score (4 in 43 games for us), doesn't assist and is pretty poor without the ball. Our worst culprit at giving away stupid fouls when the opposition isn't going anywhere. Overall I like him, but 'criminally underrated' is absurd to be honest. 
    3 of those goals came in the only run in the side as the more advanced of the 3.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,389
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Leuth said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Play George as the midfield anchor and he is the best at that job in the league. The times he has struggled with us and at Sunderland have been when he has been asked to play in the Gilbey role, box to box and providing creativity is not his forte.

    Screening the defence is his strength and he is bloody good at it. My POTY atm with Gilbey a close second.
    Gilbey not remotely close for me. Dobson by an absolute street. 
    I think AG is criminally underrated by our fans tbh. He is brilliant.
    He's very rated. 

    Imo he's a very good ball-carrier who will run fast at defences all day, a shabby passer, a weak tackler and someone who should never, ever shoot from range, in that order.

    I think his skillset is more that of a winger than a CM tbh, except his crossing would probably be even worse than the incumbents'. 

    Still, his energy and drive is probably a net positive in our side. I strongly feel he isn't good enough to start for a promotion team, but he'd be a great option off the bench, especially to run at tired defences.

    Dobson on the other hand is a complete midfielder. 
    Agree. Gilbey is a good player but his final ball is poor. Even for Morgan's goal on Saturday, there are players free in the box and Gilbs has hit it straight at the defender. Fortunately it has deflected off him and into Morgan's path.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    Gilbey is the only central midfielder we have who can get away from a player - i think he has to be in our first choice midfield.  
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,384
    edited January 2022
    Dobson
    Stockley
    Gilbey
    Washington
    in that order for me (for POTY). 
    The rest have played well for a few matches, and then gone off the boil (or have struggled with injuries like Inniss). 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,769
    Player of the season by far.  
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,584
    When's this lad signing a contract extension? He's brilliant and needs tying down
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,488
    moutuakilla said:
    When's this lad signing a contract extension? He's brilliant and needs tying down
    Might stop him getting around the pitch so much.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,620
    moutuakilla said:
    When's this lad signing a contract extension? He's brilliant and needs tying down
    Said this last week. Need to get him on a longer deal ASAP.

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