What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper. God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say
They will see the popularity of the policy with even their own voters. As you saw in the clip, it is significant. They can't ignore that and the pressure will be even higher after the new cap is announced. What they will probably be working on is a different way to find the money to distance it from Labour.
following on from the Windfall Tax - won’t that prove that Labour is getting the Big decisions right ? That’s why i don’t think she will do it. Thinking of herself before the country
If Truss refuses to freeze the cap which is where we’re at right now then she has to come up with something equally huge to bridge the chasm. Reversing NI and taking a penny off income tax is like pissing in the wind. The magnitude and scale of the problem seems to be eluding her. She can go down the Sunak route of giving a rebate way over the £400 pounds and more money for those on really low incomes or benefits but she’s already said she is against handouts which is such a condescending thing to call financial help in this crisis. It’s taxpayers money not the Tories and it’s not a handout it’s what public monies are for. To help and benefit the people. The more I hear from her the more I think she completely lacks empathy to the point of some personality disorder. It speaks volumes that Tories would still prefer Johnson to either her or Sunak. What exactly do we have governing us for the next two years ffs.
i really don’t think they understand (or care about) what is about to hit thousands, if not millions, of people and businesses with this cost of living / energy emergency.
The Gov’t will not last two years. When parents can’t feed their families or keep them warm in winter, when our local shops and chippies / curry houses and small businesses that are the lifeblood of our economy, cannot keep going because of the huge energy costs when they leave their fixed term deals https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/25/sleepless-nights-business-owners-energy-bills-quadruple?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other and when our high streets become ghost towns with empty shops (and no rent for landlords) and unemployment soars along with inflation, if this lot are still sitting on their hands then not only will they be unelectable for a generation, but I think there will be mass civil disorder and civil disobedience on a scale not seen in our lifetime.
i really don’t think they understand (or care about) what is about to hit thousands, if not millions, of people and businesses with this cost of living / energy emergency.
The Gov’t will not last two years. When parents can’t feed their families or keep them warm in winter, when our local shops and chippies / curry houses and small businesses that are the lifeblood of our economy, cannot keep going because of the huge energy costs when they leave their fixed term deals https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/25/sleepless-nights-business-owners-energy-bills-quadruple?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other and when our high streets become ghost towns with empty shops (and no rent for landlords) and unemployment soars along with inflation, if this lot are still sitting on their hands then not only will they be unelectable for a generation, but I think there will be mass civil disorder and civil disobedience on a scale not seen in our lifetime.
Happy sod, aren’t I 🤣
I think widespread strikes are just the tip of the iceberg unless they do something meaningful, and soon. Reversing the NI change will not benefit anyone on less than £36K a year, so if truss the idiot does that she will be hurting the poorest (and the NHS) and benefitting the middle classes (term used loosely). But she's so bloody thick she'll have to present it as a policy that's been misinterpreted, which seems to be her get-out when the penny drops that her ideas are utterly stupid. Sunak the wannabe yank has more intelligence but zero empathy, so we are screwed either way.
I'm thinking of buying a dinghy and sailing into the channel and back just so I can get picked up and deported to Rwanda, which is rapidly becoming a more appealing option.
The fact that Truss is so monumentally stupid that she cannot even grasp the fact that tax cuts don't benefit people whose incomes are so low that they don't pay tax gives me absolutely zero hope for the next two years when the morons in the tory party inevitably vote her in as PM.
"Eating wise, I'm scared to use my cooker. It's electric and obviously if you put something in the oven it uses more [energy] so I try to stick to ready meals in the microwave or do salads..."
This woman's situation really strikes a chord and there are many like her out there. We've long known that my brother-in-law won't use the oven in his rented property because he is worried about the cost. We're talking years here, not stopping using it recently. As a result it's effected his diet because, like the lady in the story, he eats cheap, microwaved crap or whatever they're going to throw away at his employers at the end of the day (usually involving chips, pasties, etc.).
We found out very recently that he'd also turned off his fridge for the same reasons. He doesn't own a tv or car as he can't afford to run them and, frankly, he has a lifestyle that none of us on here would envy. We've done what we can over the years to help him but things are coming to a head with the predicted rises in energy costs. If/when his landlord sticks up the rent as a result, he's simply not going to have it.
It's very well for Liz Truss to tour around the country insulting President Macron for the entertainment of the morons that are going to inflict her on the country. But the reality is people need help now and they need to see a way through this situation.
My wife's beside herself worrying about what her brother is going to do over the winter, and ultimately, whether he might just decide not to carry on at all. I think she's right to be concerned and that there will be many others considering the same course.
These are real people facing dreadful decisions and once again this government is letting them down.
We would be entering the marching in the streets territory with the promise of further increases on top of that. There is no way the Government can just blindly let this happen without trying to do something about it.
Inflation and the wider economy has to be considered so just targeting help for the very poor, whilst welcome, will not prevent a massive recession which will plunge us further into despair with our businesses failing and things getting worse and our inability to get out of the mess spiraling out of control.
What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper. God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say
We really need to move away from this "they're all the same!" nonsense, we really do. Liz Truss doesn't equal David Lammy doesn't equal Layla Moran and so on...
It's just used as an excuse for people who want to carry on voting for the worst of our politicians/parties or to minimise their own role in getting them into power in the first place.
Truss is playing to her audience by saying I am a true Tory and we cut taxes. Sunak is saying, I am too but that isn't always possible in a time of crisis. The problem is that her audience does not include conservative voters being pushed away by the party. The ones who do not hero worship Johnson and are not ultra nationalist. They have a name, One Nation Conservatives. I like neither Truss nor Sunak but one has a more honest position than the other in relation to the economy. Truss is going to take the ship which is the Conservative party down with her. The problem is that we are on it too.
Stop going football, stop eating out, stop going out full stop! So what are the businesses that rely on them doing that going to do and of course this all generates tax revenues.
Stop going football, stop eating out, stop going out full stop! So what are the businesses that rely on them doing that going to do and of course this all generates tax revenues.
If shell and bp are making billions out of this how much money is Russia making out of it.
Americans seem to want Trump back because they think he won’t just sit there like Biden while Russia and China take over the world I’m looking for a nice cave to live in.
Is chiselhurst caves still open.
Last time I went Chislehurst caves in august it was freezing.
I felt quite smug when I managed to fix my tariff in April for a year for not much more a month than I was paying last year, plus I have about £250 credit, plus the £400 to add to that from October.
However, I'm starting to brick it now thinking what it will be like when my tariff ends in April. Especially as it is only me at home, so only my income to rely on.
If shell and bp are making billions out of this how much money is Russia making out of it.
Americans seem to want Trump back because they think he won’t just sit there like Biden while Russia and China take over the world I’m looking for a nice cave to live in.
Is chiselhurst caves still open.
Last time I went Chislehurst caves in august it was freezing.
Wonder if the Russians are still upset that McDonald’s and all the other shops that shut and the banks we stopped trading with. Ruining there economy. Russia has put the world in a siege.
We are the ones who’s economy is ruined.
russian economy is fucked. It's on life support with the price of gas and oil. Next year or two and we manage to sort our supplies out properly their economy is fucked.
No government minister available for media interviews today. People worried sick and looking for help and reassurance and they're awol. They knew this was being announced today weeks ago so it's inexcusable.
Why would anyone in their right mind ever want to defend this lot?
Although today’s news is a major concern for billpayers, it isn’t particularly unexpected.
What will be a huge shock is the forecasts from energy consultancy firm Cornwall Insight about bills next year.
Today's announcement covers October to December, but the firm suggests a typical annual bill could hit nearly £5,400 in January, and £6,600 in April. That would be a £550-a-month bill.
Many people’s biggest bill is their mortgage, which typically is £700 a month.
But some caution should be placed on these numbers. While Cornwall Insight’s predictions have been accurate, there is still a considerable amount of time to go before these bills are set.
As we know, wholesale energy price and global events can change quickly.
No government minister available for media interviews today. People worried sick and looking for help and reassurance and they're awol. They knew this was being announced today weeks ago so it's inexcusable.
Why would anyone in their right mind ever want to defend this lot?
Enough people buy in to the bollocks they spout to vote them in time and time again. There will be tory supporters blaming the EU and Jeremy Corbyn for the energy crisis.
The more I hear from her (Truss) the more I think she completely lacks empathy to the point of some personality disorder.
It speaks volumes that Tories would still prefer Johnson to either her or Sunak. What exactly do we have governing us for the next two years ffs.
That was Thatcher.
But today's news:
The typical household energy bill will hit £3,549 a year from 1 October, regulator Ofgem announces
The cap is currently £1,971 for the average household and limits how much providers can charge customers in England, Scotland and Wales
The Government has to act. But you know they will protect their own interest before that of the people.
They will act - against their principles but they will have no choice. If they don't then the poll tax riots will look like a picnic in the park by comparison.
They must spend OUR money to support those in greatest need, not tax cuts for all.
If Russia has any sort of strategy for the war, it's to do as much damage to western economies as possible, in the hope that voters will demand that sanctions are lifted and gas purchases resume. That would then allow them to get the technology they need to build more weapons, without which they have little chance of success. In some countries that may work - there are some governments which aren't enthusiastic about support for Ukraine, and there are signs that Italy may elect a government of parties which don't want to support sanctions. But in most countries, the signs are that while voters may revolt over lack of government support over energy prices, that won't extend to demanding that we stop arming Ukraine or that we start selling technology to Russia.
Any sensible UK government would currently be planning major financial help this coming winter, and a huge programme of building wind and solar power capacity so we're in a better pace next winter. So far, there's little evidence of that, and Sunak and Truss if anything seem to be sympathetic to nimbys who oppose new solar power because the solar panels don't look very pretty. Perhaps today's announcement will get through to them that this is a serious crisis. Perhaps pigs may fly...
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Happy sod, aren’t I 🤣
https://www.bbc.co.uk
This woman's situation really strikes a chord and there are many like her out there. We've long known that my brother-in-law won't use the oven in his rented property because he is worried about the cost. We're talking years here, not stopping using it recently. As a result it's effected his diet because, like the lady in the story, he eats cheap, microwaved crap or whatever they're going to throw away at his employers at the end of the day (usually involving chips, pasties, etc.).
We found out very recently that he'd also turned off his fridge for the same reasons. He doesn't own a tv or car as he can't afford to run them and, frankly, he has a lifestyle that none of us on here would envy. We've done what we can over the years to help him but things are coming to a head with the predicted rises in energy costs. If/when his landlord sticks up the rent as a result, he's simply not going to have it.
It's very well for Liz Truss to tour around the country insulting President Macron for the entertainment of the morons that are going to inflict her on the country. But the reality is people need help now and they need to see a way through this situation.
My wife's beside herself worrying about what her brother is going to do over the winter, and ultimately, whether he might just decide not to carry on at all. I think she's right to be concerned and that there will be many others considering the same course.
These are real people facing dreadful decisions and once again this government is letting them down.
Inflation and the wider economy has to be considered so just targeting help for the very poor, whilst welcome, will not prevent a massive recession which will plunge us further into despair with our businesses failing and things getting worse and our inability to get out of the mess spiraling out of control.
It's just used as an excuse for people who want to carry on voting for the worst of our politicians/parties or to minimise their own role in getting them into power in the first place.
Then the cap rises further.
However, I'm starting to brick it now thinking what it will be like when my tariff ends in April. Especially as it is only me at home, so only my income to rely on.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62652133
As Europe's energy costs skyrocket, Russia is burning off large amounts of natural gas, according to analysis shared with BBC News.
Experts say the gas would previously have been exported to Germany.
They say the plant near the border with Finland, is burning an estimated $10m (£8.4m) worth of gas every day.
Why would anyone in their right mind ever want to defend this lot?
Although today’s news is a major concern for billpayers, it isn’t particularly unexpected.
What will be a huge shock is the forecasts from energy consultancy firm Cornwall Insight about bills next year.
Today's announcement covers October to December, but the firm suggests a typical annual bill could hit nearly £5,400 in January, and £6,600 in April. That would be a £550-a-month bill.
Many people’s biggest bill is their mortgage, which typically is £700 a month.
But some caution should be placed on these numbers. While Cornwall Insight’s predictions have been accurate, there is still a considerable amount of time to go before these bills are set.
As we know, wholesale energy price and global events can change quickly.
But today's news:
- The typical household energy bill will hit £3,549 a year from 1 October, regulator Ofgem announces
- The cap is currently £1,971 for the average household and limits how much providers can charge customers in England, Scotland and Wales
The Government has to act.But you know they will protect their own interest before that of the people.
They must spend OUR money to support those in greatest need, not tax cuts for all.
Any sensible UK government would currently be planning major financial help this coming winter, and a huge programme of building wind and solar power capacity so we're in a better pace next winter. So far, there's little evidence of that, and Sunak and Truss if anything seem to be sympathetic to nimbys who oppose new solar power because the solar panels don't look very pretty. Perhaps today's announcement will get through to them that this is a serious crisis. Perhaps pigs may fly...