These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
Affected - and a crap comparison of huge magnitude
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
As far as I'm aware the CARD protests at the valley never stopped people from reaching hospital.
That's because we only protested outside pre and post match.
The ambulances normally leave with the injured players whilst the game is still going on.
Comparing the protests by Charlton fan's to what's going on today is quite frankly ridiculous. Charlton fan's took the protests directly to Roland wheather at the valley or in Belgium. Today's protests are aimed directly at the public and not at the politicians and companies such as Shell.
I must say I admire the patience of these drivers held up from work, travel, and freedom of movement, and also as we have heard emergency vehicles, the whole arse up scenario, I can see these blockages being "sorted out" soon by some people with perhaps not so much understanding of the protesters, when their patience boils over,...get it sorted police, and drag these people off the public highway before someone else does. Also, on an aside the line being put about "save the planet",...well, "The Planet" is perfectly happy and will sort itself out as it has for millions of years..
I must say I admire the patience of these drivers held up from work, travel, and freedom of movement, and also as we have heard emergency vehicles, the whole arse up scenario, I can see these blockages being "sorted out" soon by some people with perhaps not so much understanding of the protesters, when their patience boils over,...get it sorted police, and drag these people off the public highway before someone else does. Also, on an aside the line being put about "save the planet",...well, "The Planet" is perfectly happy and will sort itself out as it has for millions of years..
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
I think you're the one missing the point - this inconvenience that is being caused won't do ANYTHING to affect the problem. Things are are already in place that are going to affect the problem, but they can only be done systematically. That is the point.
What about the people who are effected by this, who are meant to be at the hospital today? Will they just be collateral damage if anything serious happens?
The things in place to do something about this systematically isn't nearly enough. If radical change isn't enacted, not just some "net 0 by 2050" bullshit targets, it's gonna get a whole lot worse, like apocalypse level worse. Radical change doesn't come by the changing the status quo slightly
What happens when the gulf stream collapses and northern Europe is plunged into 9 months of winter? Or when countries become inhospitable because of the heat? Or when crops can't be grown because we don't have enough water?
On your last point, yeah it's shitty that someone might be late to a hospital appointment, but there is literally traffic every single day caused by a myriad of things. It's just cos people want to paint these people as being "woke hippy idiots" that it gets so much attention. Which is a good thing for the cause.
However, I'm no campaigner and I don't have any experience in anything like this, so not sure that this is the most worthwhile thing to do but if it gets them attention and furthers their cause then 🤷♀️
No one is arguing with that, but the points still stand -
- What is direct action aimed at the public going to do to make the Government speed things up? - What can the government do to speed things up, baring in mind the complexed factors that have to be considered before implementing any changes.
Watch the end of the video Clive shared on previous page. People are largely in agreement, so why are they the ones being targeted?
It all just seems like a protest for the sake of it
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
I think you're the one missing the point - this inconvenience that is being caused won't do ANYTHING to affect the problem. Things are are already in place that are going to affect the problem, but they can only be done systematically. That is the point.
What about the people who are effected by this, who are meant to be at the hospital today? Will they just be collateral damage if anything serious happens?
The things in place to do something about this systematically isn't nearly enough. If radical change isn't enacted, not just some "net 0 by 2050" bullshit targets, it's gonna get a whole lot worse, like apocalypse level worse. Radical change doesn't come by the changing the status quo slightly
What happens when the gulf stream collapses and northern Europe is plunged into 9 months of winter? Or when countries become inhospitable because of the heat? Or when crops can't be grown because we don't have enough water?
On your last point, yeah it's shitty that someone might be late to a hospital appointment, but there is literally traffic every single day caused by a myriad of things. It's just cos people want to paint these people as being "woke hippy idiots" that it gets so much attention. Which is a good thing for the cause.
However, I'm no campaigner and I don't have any experience in anything like this, so not sure that this is the most worthwhile thing to do but if it gets them attention and furthers their cause then 🤷♀️
No one is arguing with that, but the points still stand -
- What is direct action aimed at the public going to do to make the Government speed things up? - What can the government do to speed things up, baring in mind the complexed factors that have to be considered before implementing any changes.
Watch the end of the video Clive shared on previous page. People are largely in agreement, so why are they the ones being targeted?
It all just seems like a protest for the sake of it
- What is direct action aimed at the public going to do to make the Government speed things up?
More publicity - more incentive for the Government to do something about it. If more and more people get involved in direct action then it'll make people in Government sit up and think, like any protest does. - What can the government do to speed things up, baring in mind the complexed factors that have to be considered before implementing any changes.
I'm not a climate scientist or anything like that and I don't pretend to be but make the changes where they can do, put more money into taking this seriously, more ambitious targets that are stuck too and highly incentivising people to do the right things. The way you have phrased it makes it seem that nothing can be done without taking an age to do it, an age we had in the 1990s but not an age we have 30 years later. When things get worse, which they will, and millions of people die for various reasons people will wish we were back in 2021 where we at least had a chance to mitigate the worst scenarios.
They avoid Canning Town underground station now. Don’t want some hairy arsed pipe fitter dragging them off a roof of a tube train by their ankles again.
They made a huge mistake seeking to inconvenience the masses at Canning Town and they should have learned from this. Try this road stunt again and they are likely to face dozens of angry drivers. The protestors haven't signed up for violence, so they shouldn't be put in danger of it. I can guarantee the organisers would call it it looks like trouble is coming their way from the public. There are far more ways to protest that will attract equal attention and not inconvenience large numbers of people. I don't think many of us disagree with their intentions so why piss us off?
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
Affected - and a crap comparison of huge magnitude
Thanks, I have a real block about effect and affect and usually get them muddled up.
I disagree about the comparison. I was making the point that depending on your point of view protests are either laudable and should be accepted as part of life. Or not and should be stamped out. There are people on here frothing at the mouth about this protest who would have been supporting CARD protests and heard those who disagreed with them venting anger at their life being disrupted. Albeit in a shorter time and with less disruption to them.
I am also certain that if these protesters were told there was an emergency ambulance needing to get through they’d get out of the way.
Always does me that they target Joe Public, most of whom agree there's a problem and would be happy with changes in law and legislation to help reduce climate change. If they want to take a bit of direct action, try blocking some of the factories within about a 10 miles radius of Dartford ffs
again, this is more, you can protest, but do it in a way that doesn't get attention or a wider point.
But they're inconveniencing people who aren't able to make a difference. Unless they think doing this will stop people driving. Think these protests are misguided
I would think the aim of the protest is to create public awareness of how quickly climate change is happening.
All the while governments and people do little - or even nothing, climate change is going to accelerate.
Today we may only care about getting to work on time, keeping appointments or even going shopping. But tomorrow, our children's future is going to be impacted greatly by climate change - unless action is taken now.
It's our children's world at stake. Should we care enough to do something about it?
Should take it up with politicians and protest outside public buildings and MPs houses. Just enough at each site to spread the police monitoring their activity without blocking Joe public...
Taking a short break from writing up a dissertation for my urban terrorism PhD...
I am all for peaceful protesting but when it affects others going about their usual business then I think reasonable force should be used to remove them.
Absolutely agree, but I am in the vast minority opinion in France. When it happened here three years ago drivers were tooting but I gradually learnt that this was to show support!
Looks like you have caught the French disease. Are they wearing florescent yellow vests?
Always does me that they target Joe Public, most of whom agree there's a problem and would be happy with changes in law and legislation to help reduce climate change. If they want to take a bit of direct action, try blocking some of the factories within about a 10 miles radius of Dartford ffs
again, this is more, you can protest, but do it in a way that doesn't get attention or a wider point.
But they're inconveniencing people who aren't able to make a difference. Unless they think doing this will stop people driving. Think these protests are misguided
I would think the aim of the protest is to create public awareness of how quickly climate change is happening.
All the while governments and people do little - or even nothing, climate change is going to accelerate.
Today we may only care about getting to work on time, keeping appointments or even going shopping. But tomorrow, our children's future is going to be impacted greatly by climate change - unless action is taken now.
It's our children's world at stake. Should we care enough to do something about it?
But why do they have to disrupt people going about their day to raise public awareness about insulating homes? There's other ways of doing it, all they have managed to do is p1ss off a lot of people who probably agreed with the original message.
They are in danger of losing all public support, if they haven't already.
I've tried to write a few "balanced" posts about this but can't.
Drag the fuckers off the road.
As for the old bill molly coddling them - get on with it and treat them how you'd treat football fans if they were doing the same.
I know many on this thread are congenitally predisposed to hate the paper that provides the link, but just watch the this video and equate it to how you have ever seen any police officer act in any other environment...
Always does me that they target Joe Public, most of whom agree there's a problem and would be happy with changes in law and legislation to help reduce climate change. If they want to take a bit of direct action, try blocking some of the factories within about a 10 miles radius of Dartford ffs
again, this is more, you can protest, but do it in a way that doesn't get attention or a wider point.
But they're inconveniencing people who aren't able to make a difference. Unless they think doing this will stop people driving. Think these protests are misguided
I would think the aim of the protest is to create public awareness of how quickly climate change is happening.
All the while governments and people do little - or even nothing, climate change is going to accelerate.
Today we may only care about getting to work on time, keeping appointments or even going shopping. But tomorrow, our children's future is going to be impacted greatly by climate change - unless action is taken now.
It's our children's world at stake. Should we care enough to do something about it?
But why do they have to disrupt people going about their day to raise public awareness about insulating homes? There's other ways of doing it, all they have managed to do is p1ss off a lot of people who probably agreed with the original message.
They are in danger of losing all public support, if they haven't already.
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
Affected - and a crap comparison of huge magnitude
Thanks, I have a real block about effect and affect and usually get them muddled up.
I disagree about the comparison. I was making the point that depending on your point of view protests are either laudable and should be accepted as part of life. Or not and should be stamped out. There are people on here frothing at the mouth about this protest who would have been supporting CARD protests and heard those who disagreed with them venting anger at their life being disrupted. Albeit in a shorter time and with less disruption to them.
I am also certain that if these protesters were told there was an emergency ambulance needing to get through they’d get out of the way.
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
Affected - and a crap comparison of huge magnitude
Thanks, I have a real block about effect and affect and usually get them muddled up.
I disagree about the comparison. I was making the point that depending on your point of view protests are either laudable and should be accepted as part of life. Or not and should be stamped out. There are people on here frothing at the mouth about this protest who would have been supporting CARD protests and heard those who disagreed with them venting anger at their life being disrupted. Albeit in a shorter time and with less disruption to them.
I am also certain that if these protesters were told there was an emergency ambulance needing to get through they’d get out of the way.
These people will 100% be on the right side of history when all is said and done
The inconvenience these people are causing will be nothing compared to the "inconvenience" of doing nothing about climate change
They may well be on the right side of history. We all agree something needs to be done. But. Instead of pissing of Joe public going about their business target politicians and large companies that are causing pollution. At the moment instead of getting people on their side they are pissing people of with their actions.
There were some in the Valley who had similar arguments against CARD protests disrupting games. Should there have been no demonstrations against Duchatelet that effected them?
Affected - and a crap comparison of huge magnitude
Thanks, I have a real block about effect and affect and usually get them muddled up.
I disagree about the comparison. I was making the point that depending on your point of view protests are either laudable and should be accepted as part of life. Or not and should be stamped out. There are people on here frothing at the mouth about this protest who would have been supporting CARD protests and heard those who disagreed with them venting anger at their life being disrupted. Albeit in a shorter time and with less disruption to them.
I am also certain that if these protesters were told there was an emergency ambulance needing to get through they’d get out of the way.
How can they get out of the way if they are glued to the road ?
How does a CARD protest stop people going to work / hospital / school etc etc ?
Did a CARD protest bring to a halt one of the busiest motorways in Europe and thus delay deliveries of essential supplies ?
Something that annoys me is that i believe that they are targeting the wrong people and the old bill should be moving them straight on however, I fully believe if they were to do something , for example, around parliament that massively inconvenienced mp’s getting into/leaving parliament the old bill would have them on their way in a tenth of the time
It’s nice of them to decide who is allowed to use our roads , perhaps iainment can give us their names and addresses cos my mate has got to go again next week . he can put in an exemption request to these arseholes
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The ambulances normally leave with the injured players whilst the game is still going on.
Charlton fan's took the protests directly to Roland wheather at the valley or in Belgium.
Today's protests are aimed directly at the public and not at the politicians and companies such as Shell.
Also, on an aside the line being put about "save the planet",...well, "The Planet" is perfectly happy and will sort itself out as it has for millions of years..
Rapid dispersing will commence shortly afterwards.
Who'd a thought it.
- What is direct action aimed at the public going to do to make the Government speed things up?
- What can the government do to speed things up, baring in mind the complexed factors that have to be considered before implementing any changes.
Watch the end of the video Clive shared on previous page. People are largely in agreement, so why are they the ones being targeted?
It all just seems like a protest for the sake of it
More publicity - more incentive for the Government to do something about it.
If more and more people get involved in direct action then it'll make people in Government sit up and think, like any protest does.
- What can the government do to speed things up, baring in mind the complexed factors that have to be considered before implementing any changes.
I'm not a climate scientist or anything like that and I don't pretend to be but make the changes where they can do, put more money into taking this seriously, more ambitious targets that are stuck too and highly incentivising people to do the right things. The way you have phrased it makes it seem that nothing can be done without taking an age to do it, an age we had in the 1990s but not an age we have 30 years later. When things get worse, which they will, and millions of people die for various reasons people will wish we were back in 2021 where we at least had a chance to mitigate the worst scenarios.
I disagree about the comparison. I was making the point that depending on your point of view protests are either laudable and should be accepted as part of life. Or not and should be stamped out. There are people on here frothing at the mouth about this protest who would have been supporting CARD protests and heard those who disagreed with them venting anger at their life being disrupted. Albeit in a shorter time and with less disruption to them.
I am also certain that if these protesters were told there was an emergency ambulance needing to get through they’d get out of the way.
All the while governments and people do little - or even nothing, climate change is going to accelerate.
Today we may only care about getting to work on time, keeping appointments or even going shopping.
But tomorrow, our children's future is going to be impacted greatly by climate change - unless action is taken now.
It's our children's world at stake. Should we care enough to do something about it?
Drag the fuckers off the road.
As for the old bill molly coddling them - get on with it and treat them how you'd treat football fans if they were doing the same.
Just enough at each site to spread the police monitoring their activity without blocking Joe public...
Taking a short break from writing up a dissertation for my urban terrorism PhD...
Looks like you have caught the French disease. Are they wearing florescent yellow vests?
They are in danger of losing all public support, if they haven't already.
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/09/15/1910440502393943968/960x540_MP4_1910440502393943968.mp4
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Did a CARD protest bring to a halt one of the busiest motorways in Europe and thus delay deliveries of essential supplies ?
he can put in an exemption request to these arseholes