Going in to the office in Westminster today for the first time since it all happened. Hopefully I can take my usual stroll from Charing Cross though st Janes Park without it being too busy/getting caught in queues or barriers.
Going in to the office in Westminster today for the first time since it all happened. Hopefully I can take my usual stroll from Charing Cross though st Janes Park without it being too busy/getting caught in queues or barriers.
Went Buckingham Palace / Green Park during my lunch hour yesterday Joined queue in St James' Park and took about 20 minutes to file round to the Palace and then another 20 minutes to go from there to Green Park where the flowers are
Then took at least 15 minutes to walk back from Green Park through St James's Park to Victoria Street where I work Most of the roads around St James' Park had barriers and a few crossing points that would often be closed to allow various vehicles go through.
Might be better down the Westminster end of the park though
Work in Victoria - mate at work strolled round yesterday lunchtime said there were queues everywhere, mainly leading to trees where u could leave flowers - probably have a walk round tomorrow once the focus shifts to Whitehall etc - We actually priced up the works that are required down the mall etc by the mod n the event if this happening - that was over 10 years ago now - we also do work for the Houses of Parliament and all contracts have to be priced so if this happened, the whole estate looks the same as though no work going on within 24 hours
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Currently on a train to gravesend to see my mother who is 85 before tonight's match. Train is very busy on the way to London. Not usually so when I catch this train.
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
There is no need for the police to behave in a heavy handed manner - they need to observe the law.
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
There is no need for the police to behave in a heavy handed manner - they need to observe the law.
Members of the public had already hooked him out of the crowd, his action was one that caused a breach of the peace. Most of the people there were paying respects to a much loved Queen and to act so provocatively in the circumstances, was not acceptable.
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
There is no need for the police to behave in a heavy handed manner - they need to observe the law.
Members of the public had already hooked him out of the crowd, his action was one that caused a breach of the peace. Most of the people there were paying respects to a much loved Queen and to act so provocatively in the circumstances, was not acceptable.
I wasn't talking about a particular instance I was just making the point the police need to observe the law. People are free to protest as much as they are to pay respects - that's the essence of a free society.
It is difficult to comply with avoiding controversy on this thread when there are statements that seem to invite that. Can we not just leave both sides alone for now and then no-one need get upset?
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
It’s a procession with the deceased’s family in attendance, who are also in mourning, It’s a huge ‘no no’ for no other reason. The Royal Family or an everyday family funeral…..you just don’t do that kind of thing. What the family of that idiotic self seeking (look at me everyone) kid must be thinking right now is anyones guess…..how ashamed they must be, I feel sorry for them. My guess is that he (and probably they), are going to have to lie low for a very long time.
Thank you for sharing the photos. For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
As for protesting, yes you all have that right, yes you should always have that right.
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
There is no need for the police to behave in a heavy handed manner - they need to observe the law.
I agree. And I have yet to see that happen. The two incidents I have seen were justified. Someone was moved along as blocking access, no arrest. Another arrested to prevent breach of peace I believe but as its Scotland there laws differ slightly so forgive me if that's not 100% accurate.
Queen’s lying in state: Mourners warned of 35-hour waits or disappointment
More than half the 750,000 mourners expected to queue to pay their respects to Queen Elizabeth II as she lies in state in parliament will be disappointed, despite waits of up to 35 hours. The Times has been told that there will be capacity for about 350,000 people to come into Westminster Hall during the four days before the funeral on Monday. The queue will be closed early if too many people are joining to avoid people spending hours in it only to be disappointed. The public are being told not to wait or camp in advance of the processional day in London tomorrow. The procession will start at Buckingham Palace at 2.22pm and head to the Palace of Westminster for the lying in state. It will be televised on large screens at Hyde Park, where access is free from 11am. A meeting of the government’s Cobra emergency planning committee was told yesterday that the central estimate for queueing times to enter Westminster Hall was 17 to 35 hours. Mourners will face bag checks and searches by sniffer dogs. Firearms officers will be positioned along the route. The government and the mayor of London are looking at relaxing licensing rules so restaurants and cafés along the route can open 24 hours a day. Churches will be asked to open their doors to provide welfare and support. The queue will be divided into zones. These will be closed periodically to enable people to get food and refreshments and sit down before returning to the queue using their wristbands. Ministers also discussed the “delicate” issue of how to stop people spending too long when they get to Westminster Hall for the lying in state. Officials have raised concerns about people “gaming” the system. There will be a “special access” queue running from Tate Britain to the Houses of Parliament intended for people with disabilities and impairments. The queue is expected to be a few hours long. “We’re worried that people will feign disabilities,” a source involved in planning said. The queues are expected to start at Southwark Park in Rotherhithe, going along the south side of the Thames before crossing at Lambeth Bridge. People will then go up Millbank to parliament. The government will encourage people to mark the Queen’s passing locally rather than coming to London. The security services have advised that the terrorist threat is “moderate”, but there will be an unprecedented operation. An estimated 10,000 police officers will be on duty every day across the capital. Barriers to stop a vehicle being driven into a crowd are being placed on the roads and uniformed and plain-clothes officers will mingle with mourners. There will be marksmen on rooftops and armed officers on patrol. Simon Morgan, a former Metropolitan Police personal protection officer for the Queen and other members of the royal family, said: “It’ll be the biggest policing operation that UK policing has ever dealt with.”
Unusually for a history buff and a big admirer of the Queen (though not necessarily a huge fan of the institution in recent times) I’ve actively watched relatively little of this momentous event unfold. Something about the blanket coverage and the Beeb’s obsequiousness is turning me off. And I’m not big on being told how I’m supposed to feel or behave. That said, it is difficult not to absorb it all albeit quite passively. What I will say with certainty four or five days in is that Charles is playing an absolute stormer. Hasn’t put a foot wrong so far in the most trying of circumstances. I worried about him but the early signs are encouraging.
Obsequiousness: Excellent word but the BBC could hardly invite Jeremy Corbyn to give his views or the Scottish chip shop owner who celebrated the death of the Queen by doing a Scottish Jig.
I thought Genuflect was the top trump yesterday when I shoe horned it in but I doff my cap to Obsequiousness !
the dozy bint with the chip shop that turned out to be a rather expensive bottle of bubbly as she has now lost her business
I fear the protests may ramp up now as the amount of coverage they are getting
?
a woman in Scotland opened a bottle of bubbly and had a derogatory sign up regarding the queens passing - had her chip shop smashed up and as been removed from the trade body of fish friars.
Jaki chip shop if you google it shows video etc i wont post it on here
the dozy bint with the chip shop that turned out to be a rather expensive bottle of bubbly as she has now lost her business
I fear the protests may ramp up now as the amount of coverage they are getting
?
a woman in Scotland opened a bottle of bubbly and had a derogatory sign up regarding the queens passing - had her chip shop smashed up and as been removed from the trade body of fish friars.
Jaki chip shop if you google it shows video etc i wont post it on here
We've never had complete freedom of speech in this country. There are always limits, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to prevent protesting against the monarchy in a place where monarchists and others are mourning the Queen. There are plenty of places where people can protest without causing so much offence, if they wish.
I'd be staggered if any of the protesters are actually prosecuted, unless any of them have used or incited violence. The police are just preventing the peace from being disturbed, and avoiding the risk that some angry monarchist will smack someone who they think is being disrespectful. Which is one of the things the police are there for. They're in a very difficult position but, unlike some other protests in the past, I think they're doing a good job on striking a balance.
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Joined queue in St James' Park and took about 20 minutes to file round to the Palace and then another 20 minutes to go from there to Green Park where the flowers are
Then took at least 15 minutes to walk back from Green Park through St James's Park to Victoria Street where I work
Most of the roads around St James' Park had barriers and a few crossing points that would often be closed to allow various vehicles go through.
Might be better down the Westminster end of the park though
Are we there yet ?
A two and a 5 year old will expect to see Paddington Bear !
Damo North got there first.
Kelly Brook not getting them out and wearing black shoes !
I never noticed Kelly's footwear before.
For me I’m very grateful as I won’t be able to get over 🙏🏻♥️
But in the back of your minds you should always be aware of the current climate. Our head of state is being mourned. Her funeral will attract many. Many other important individuals will be there. If you do decide to exercise your fundamental right to protest at that given time then expect to be dealt with as that current climate dictates. There will be zero tolerance to any disruption to prevent any breach of the peace. Officers will have enough on their plates. They have a split second to decide what to do with the world watching.
You may think there is some hidden agenda to pick away at your human rights, there really is not. It’s just a case of no one wants to f**k this up. No one wants to be that officer who let that person hold their little protest that turns out to be a decoy for someone else to do something more unimaginable.
Again, there are bigger things at play here.
It’s a huge ‘no no’ for no other reason. The Royal Family or an everyday family funeral…..you just don’t do that kind of thing.
What the family of that idiotic self seeking (look at me everyone) kid must be thinking right now is anyones guess…..how ashamed they must be, I feel sorry for them.
My guess is that he (and probably they), are going to have to lie low for a very long time.
And I have yet to see that happen.
The two incidents I have seen were justified.
Someone was moved along as blocking access, no arrest.
Another arrested to prevent breach of peace I believe but as its Scotland there laws differ slightly so forgive me if that's not 100% accurate.
Queen’s lying in state: Mourners warned of 35-hour waits or disappointment
The Times has been told that there will be capacity for about 350,000 people to come into Westminster Hall during the four days before the funeral on Monday. The queue will be closed early if too many people are joining to avoid people spending hours in it only to be disappointed.
The public are being told not to wait or camp in advance of the processional day in London tomorrow. The procession will start at Buckingham Palace at 2.22pm and head to the Palace of Westminster for the lying in state. It will be televised on large screens at Hyde Park, where access is free from 11am.
A meeting of the government’s Cobra emergency planning committee was told yesterday that the central estimate for queueing times to enter Westminster Hall was 17 to 35 hours.
Mourners will face bag checks and searches by sniffer dogs. Firearms officers will be positioned along the route. The government and the mayor of London are looking at relaxing licensing rules so restaurants and cafés along the route can open 24 hours a day.
Churches will be asked to open their doors to provide welfare and support.
The queue will be divided into zones. These will be closed periodically to enable people to get food and refreshments and sit down before returning to the queue using their wristbands.
Ministers also discussed the “delicate” issue of how to stop people spending too long when they get to Westminster Hall for the lying in state.
Officials have raised concerns about people “gaming” the system. There will be a “special access” queue running from Tate Britain to the Houses of Parliament intended for people with disabilities and impairments.
The queue is expected to be a few hours long. “We’re worried that people will feign disabilities,” a source involved in planning said. The queues are expected to start at Southwark Park in Rotherhithe, going along the south side of the Thames before crossing at Lambeth Bridge. People will then go up Millbank to parliament. The government will encourage people to mark the Queen’s passing locally rather than coming to London.
The security services have advised that the terrorist threat is “moderate”, but there will be an unprecedented operation. An estimated 10,000 police officers will be on duty every day across the capital. Barriers to stop a vehicle being driven into a crowd are being placed on the roads and uniformed and plain-clothes officers will mingle with mourners. There will be marksmen on rooftops and armed officers on patrol.
Simon Morgan, a former Metropolitan Police personal protection officer for the Queen and other members of the royal family, said: “It’ll be the biggest policing operation that UK policing has ever dealt with.”
Obsequiousness: Excellent word but the BBC could hardly invite Jeremy Corbyn to give his views or the Scottish chip shop owner who celebrated the death of the Queen by doing a Scottish Jig.
I thought Genuflect was the top trump yesterday when I shoe horned it in but I doff my cap to Obsequiousness !
Aldi and John Lewis among shops closing for Queen's funeral
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62879563I fear the protests may ramp up now as the amount of coverage they are getting
Jaki chip shop if you google it shows video etc i wont post it on here
Just seen it.
I'd be staggered if any of the protesters are actually prosecuted, unless any of them have used or incited violence. The police are just preventing the peace from being disturbed, and avoiding the risk that some angry monarchist will smack someone who they think is being disrespectful. Which is one of the things the police are there for. They're in a very difficult position but, unlike some other protests in the past, I think they're doing a good job on striking a balance.