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‘Fill the Valley’ - repeated for Ipswich and Cambridge Utd (p17)
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I know, but I was trying to get my son back into going to Charlton games which I wasn't able to do because there were thousands of "taken" empty seats. So opportunity lost.DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said:The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.0 -
east and west had 5k more than tuesday - i was in north and it felt as busy if not moreBedsaddick said:
There were definitely more in the home areas than Tuesday .AFKABartram said:
You’ve vastly overestimated mate. Knock a good 5k off of that. North Upper and Lower looked emptier than Tuesday nightDOUCHER said:good good day - not quite as many there as against plymouth but a lot more than against ipswich and pretty full - 20k at least actual bodies there - drummer has been and is great but needs to drop the new tunes and the twist and shout shite and let the big anthems off once we are 2 up0 -
And I get that, it's annoying short term for some. But if your son decides to not go again because if it, yet two people chose to keep going out of all the free tickets, then job done and no opportunity lost from the club's perspective. It was not perfect but ticket allocations never are. Just look at the continuous away tickets allocations arguments we've had on here for years.Off_it said:
I know, but I was trying to get my son back into going to Charlton games which I wasn't able to do because there were thousands of "taken" empty seats. So opportunity lost.DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said:The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
Also, they'll be no problems you getting tickets for your son for the upcoming games...Unless the excuse is yours or your son's.0 -
What is that supposed to mean?DRAddick said:
And I get that, it's annoying short term for some. But if your son decides to not go again because if it, yet two people chose to keep going out of all the free tickets, then job done and no opportunity lost from the club's perspective. It was not perfect but ticket allocations never are. Just look at the continuous away tickets allocations arguments we've had on here for years.Off_it said:
I know, but I was trying to get my son back into going to Charlton games which I wasn't able to do because there were thousands of "taken" empty seats. So opportunity lost.DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said:The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
Also, they'll be no problems you getting tickets for your son for the upcoming games...Unless the excuse is yours or your son's.
My son used to be a season ticket holder with me but now, because of the Roland years, we stopped going and he now follows another team - something I deeply regret.
He was due to go and see that other team today, but his train was cancelled so he wanted to come along with me instead. I saw this as a great opportunity to try to get him back into the fold. But there were no tickets available, so he didn't come.
Now that's fair enough if it's a sell out and the ground is packed to the rafters, because he left it late to make a decision. But to get there today and see so many thousands of empty seats was galling. That opportunity may not arise again this season.
I am supportive of the initiative as a whole, but it needs some more thought. That's my point.
Hopefully it will all generate some extra bums on seats in the long run, but to not be able to buy a ticket on the day when there are so many empty seats is just plain crazy.10 -
You cant have someone not able to get a ticket when its obvious theres over 5000 spare seats.DRAddick said:
And I get that, it's annoying short term for some. But if your son decides to not go again because if it, yet two people chose to keep going out of all the free tickets, then job done and no opportunity lost from the club's perspective. It was not perfect but ticket allocations never are. Just look at the continuous away tickets allocations arguments we've had on here for years.Off_it said:
I know, but I was trying to get my son back into going to Charlton games which I wasn't able to do because there were thousands of "taken" empty seats. So opportunity lost.DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said:The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
Also, they'll be no problems you getting tickets for your son for the upcoming games...Unless the excuse is yours or your son's.
All it takes is for the club to have a couple of places for return tickets at the ground.
After 3 games of giving free tickets out the club should now be sending questionnaire emails out to all season ticket holders who took up the offer.
I'd want as much information as possible.0 -
The next question is.
After 3 wins out of 3 , does TS continue with the free ticket offer for the games over Christmas?0 -
well done to Sanguard and The Fill the Valley free ticket Offer.My son and I, took six V Plymouth, eight V Ipswich (friends two freebies) four V Cambridge.Will any come back and pay.... yes definitely two of my sons 22-23yr friends (Villa & Boro) both enjoying coming to the Valley supporting Charlton, another of his friends came to all last three matches loves the whole experience, pub before, football and atmosphere and singing along he wants to come back. So thats three twenty somethings wanting to come back, looking for a London club to support and will buy adult tickets, spend money on the concourse on food / drink. The ideal age to get into the habit of meeting mates in pub and enjoying the whole Valley Match day experience. Agree with other posters, real page one error from Marketing and Ticket departments not to have made it part of the free ticket offer to get these guest Name, Address, Email. Massive missed opportunity for Charlton who can't now be mailing out direct to guests lets say 50% of next home game ticket or half season ticket offer? The fuller the Valley the better, as a long term season ticket holder happy for these incentives to continue.A few things to enhance the match day experience, the TV Monitors in East Stand concourse, why are they mute so can't hear Charlton TV before or at half time, surely this would encourage people to watch and buy more drink / food? The film they show in big screen prior to team coming out again lazy from the Marketing dept they need to edit the video so it up to date with footage from this season and recent games which show full Valley rather than last season goals with empty seats. Drop the 'Addicks to Victory' or relegate it down the playlist, its awful and kills the atmosphere.
Lastly stop messing around give Jacko the job on a two or three year contract, its insulting to him and all Charlton fans that this hasn't been resolved. This is Sandguard's opportunity to give us all a Christmas present, get it sorted out before Plymouth away, please.9 -
Fine those who order a freebie ticket and that freebie ticket isn’t used to get in to the ground , 2 hours before kick off tickets can be returned … it’s all computerised and should work …. Ok prolly not ..
What happened to off it’s son shouldn’t be allowed to happen ever
still , supporting another team should be grounds for a divorce from a child2 -
Surely not for the Gillingham and Wycombe games.clb74 said:The next question is.
After 3 wins out of 3 , does TS continue with the free ticket offer for the games over Christmas?
He also needs to stop it for a while as then no one will bother to buy a half season ticket or match ticket as they'll be expecting an offer every other game.
Personally i'd leave it for a few weeks, see how half ST sales go and then perhaps do a 'ST holder can bring a guest for a fiver' deal for a game in February.0 - Sponsored links:
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Remember the days we were scared that we'd lose at any sight of an offer or near full Valley, as it motivates the opposition more than us!
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I agree and I think again that shows our desire under Jacko - we would have lost that a few months ago I reckon._MrDick said:
I’d go so far to say it did motivate Cambridge yesterday. I thought they played very wellmendonca said:Remember the days we were scared that we'd lose at any sight of an offer or near full Valley, as it motivates the opposition more than us!2 -
7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one0
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The Adkins team would certainly have lost yesterday in my view.
One admirable feature of this Jacko spell is how he is playing the cards dealt given our personnel problems in defence.
I go against the general flow in that I want Jackson to get the job, but would now wait until after the Plymouth game so Sandgaard can be believed in his earlier 60 day statement.
It is kind of about knowing where we stand with regard to the owner.
If Gallen et al have not been preparing for the ebb and flow of the transfer window already, then that is a dereliction of duty that I doubt is happening.2 -
Some terrible chants doing the rounds atm.DOUCHER said:good good day - not quite as many there as against plymouth but a lot more than against ipswich and pretty full - 20k at least actual bodies there - drummer has been and is great but needs to drop the new tunes and the twist and shout shite and let the big anthems off once we are 2 up
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I agree with you on numbers but the net cost will have been well over £100k. The question is not whether it’s a good thing but whether there are less costly / more efficient ways of achieving the same thing or better.DRAddick said:
It was worth a try, and arguably enhanced the atmosphere. Income from food, drink and shop may have helped. I find it difficult to believe that no-one who got free tickets recently will return.shirty5 said:
All well good but how many are coming back why they have to pay full price?DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
No marketing re the individuals who are coming in the ground. Schoolboy error there. At least get an email address. Basics!
And anyone who canonly ever book tickets last minute, and missed out these games, will be back anyway and back to normal the next home game.
In the longer term, we're not going to lose any supporter numbers or revenue because of the recent initiative. only increase the chance of improving numbers.0 -
Anybody who really wanted a ticket could have got some on CL on a few threads this week.DOUCHER said:7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one0 -
the £100k presumably is based on the ticket sales that we missed out on less the extra sales generated by the additional non paying fans? i bet it was more like cost neutralAirman Brown said:
I agree with you on numbers but the net cost will have been well over £100k. The question is not whether it’s a good thing but whether there are less costly / more efficient ways of achieving the same thing or better.DRAddick said:
It was worth a try, and arguably enhanced the atmosphere. Income from food, drink and shop may have helped. I find it difficult to believe that no-one who got free tickets recently will return.shirty5 said:
All well good but how many are coming back why they have to pay full price?DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
No marketing re the individuals who are coming in the ground. Schoolboy error there. At least get an email address. Basics!
And anyone who canonly ever book tickets last minute, and missed out these games, will be back anyway and back to normal the next home game.
In the longer term, we're not going to lose any supporter numbers or revenue because of the recent initiative. only increase the chance of improving numbers.0 -
i was with a group of 16 yesterday - 7 were season ticket holders, 9 had freebies - i don't normally go for a drink before the game, probably only a few of the 7 do, all 16 probably bought 2 rounds of drinks each at £25 a go so that's £50 X 16 = £800 less say £50 tops = £750 extra than had the deal not been put on for that game - if you extrapolate that out across the say average extra 7k fans per game then you are looking at 7000/9 *750 = £ ? a lot of money - i accept not all freebies will be having a jolly up but quite a few will and most will buy something - i am certain that these 3 initiatives will not have cost us anything but will have won us a lot of new / rekindled support - well done TS.0
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I think that would involve some heroic assumptions. You are significantly overstating the numbers who attended, the numbers who were additional and the profit on ancillary sales, as well as overlooking the marketing costs. We received three postcards in our household alone, as well as calls and text messages. That’s all likely to be additional cost.DOUCHER said:
the £100k presumably is based on the ticket sales that we missed out on less the extra sales generated by the additional non paying fans? i bet it was more like cost neutralAirman Brown said:
I agree with you on numbers but the net cost will have been well over £100k. The question is not whether it’s a good thing but whether there are less costly / more efficient ways of achieving the same thing or better.DRAddick said:
It was worth a try, and arguably enhanced the atmosphere. Income from food, drink and shop may have helped. I find it difficult to believe that no-one who got free tickets recently will return.shirty5 said:
All well good but how many are coming back why they have to pay full price?DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
No marketing re the individuals who are coming in the ground. Schoolboy error there. At least get an email address. Basics!
And anyone who canonly ever book tickets last minute, and missed out these games, will be back anyway and back to normal the next home game.
In the longer term, we're not going to lose any supporter numbers or revenue because of the recent initiative. only increase the chance of improving numbers.The people who couldn’t buy tickets are not material to the numbers. What matters in financial terms is the regular matchday ticket buying group that were able to pick up free tickets instead.The profit on the additional spend at the ground by people who would not otherwise have attended was probably wiped out by the marketing spend.
If it re-engages people or recruits new fans then of course that is the benefit. The football couldn’t have been much better and the larger numbers, albeit much smaller than claimed, definitely improved the atmosphere.In the end, though, it’s L1 and that’s why it’s hard to make it stick.1 -
Unless you were trying to buy one on the day of the match because of a fairly last minute decision to attend (ie 4 or 5 hours before ko).Bedsaddick said:
Anybody who really wanted a ticket could have got some on CL on a few threads this week.DOUCHER said:7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one3 -
For me, that is the justification … and it worked.Airman Brown said:
I think that would involve some heroic assumptions. You are significantly overstating the numbers who attended, the numbers who were additional and the profit on ancillary sales, as well as overlooking the marketing costs. We received three postcards in our household alone, as well as calls and text messages. That’s all likely to be additional cost.DOUCHER said:
the £100k presumably is based on the ticket sales that we missed out on less the extra sales generated by the additional non paying fans? i bet it was more like cost neutralAirman Brown said:
I agree with you on numbers but the net cost will have been well over £100k. The question is not whether it’s a good thing but whether there are less costly / more efficient ways of achieving the same thing or better.DRAddick said:
It was worth a try, and arguably enhanced the atmosphere. Income from food, drink and shop may have helped. I find it difficult to believe that no-one who got free tickets recently will return.shirty5 said:
All well good but how many are coming back why they have to pay full price?DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
No marketing re the individuals who are coming in the ground. Schoolboy error there. At least get an email address. Basics!
And anyone who canonly ever book tickets last minute, and missed out these games, will be back anyway and back to normal the next home game.
In the longer term, we're not going to lose any supporter numbers or revenue because of the recent initiative. only increase the chance of improving numbers.The people who couldn’t buy tickets are not material to the numbers. What matters in financial terms is the regular matchday ticket buying group that were able to pick up free tickets instead.The profit on the additional spend at the ground by people who would not otherwise have attended was probably wiped out by the marketing spend.
If it re-engages people or recruits new fans then of course that is the benefit. The football couldn’t have been much better and the larger numbers, albeit much smaller than claimed, definitely improved the atmosphere.In the end, though, it’s L1 and that’s why it’s hard to make it stick.1 -
How many do you think attended each game Airman? I'd say 24k ish Plymouth, 15k Ipswich and 19k Cambridge. You're right, the most important thing is to hook people back in or to gain newbies but - Take Plymouth - how many tickets would have been sold for that without the offer, 3k? at £20 say £60k lost. A crowd of 16k maybe? So 8k extra bodies and probably far less season ticket holders not attending so probably 9k extra bodies. Even if they only spent a tenner on average at the game, that would give £90k additional. Some extra staff and the cost of the stock sold to be deducted but the cost of lager (probably the biggest spend i would have thought) is peanuts and is why the bar is, or should be, if run right, be so vital to the successful running of most sports / social clubs. Accepted the tv money etc distorts this in professional football but i think you overdo how little the club earns out of these food and drink outlets and if you don't, i'd say they need looking at.Airman Brown said:
I think that would involve some heroic assumptions. You are significantly overstating the numbers who attended, the numbers who were additional and the profit on ancillary sales, as well as overlooking the marketing costs. We received three postcards in our household alone, as well as calls and text messages. That’s all likely to be additional cost.DOUCHER said:
the £100k presumably is based on the ticket sales that we missed out on less the extra sales generated by the additional non paying fans? i bet it was more like cost neutralAirman Brown said:
I agree with you on numbers but the net cost will have been well over £100k. The question is not whether it’s a good thing but whether there are less costly / more efficient ways of achieving the same thing or better.DRAddick said:
It was worth a try, and arguably enhanced the atmosphere. Income from food, drink and shop may have helped. I find it difficult to believe that no-one who got free tickets recently will return.shirty5 said:
All well good but how many are coming back why they have to pay full price?DRAddick said:
Obviously these past few games, Sandgaard didn't care about losing a small amounts of money on late ticket sales. Was about trying to get some people back to future games. Good initiative and with the performances and results, hopefully mission accomplished.Off_it said The initiative definitely needs to be tweaked before they do it again.
Couldn't buy an extra ticket before the game as there were none available, and then I turned up to see thousands upon thousands of empty seats. Money lost.
No marketing re the individuals who are coming in the ground. Schoolboy error there. At least get an email address. Basics!
And anyone who canonly ever book tickets last minute, and missed out these games, will be back anyway and back to normal the next home game.
In the longer term, we're not going to lose any supporter numbers or revenue because of the recent initiative. only increase the chance of improving numbers.The people who couldn’t buy tickets are not material to the numbers. What matters in financial terms is the regular matchday ticket buying group that were able to pick up free tickets instead.The profit on the additional spend at the ground by people who would not otherwise have attended was probably wiped out by the marketing spend.
If it re-engages people or recruits new fans then of course that is the benefit. The football couldn’t have been much better and the larger numbers, albeit much smaller than claimed, definitely improved the atmosphere.In the end, though, it’s L1 and that’s why it’s hard to make it stick.0 -
could you not have asked for one on here?Off_it said:
Unless you were trying to buy one on the day of the match because of a fairly last minute decision to attend (ie 4 or 5 hours before ko).Bedsaddick said:
Anybody who really wanted a ticket could have got some on CL on a few threads this week.DOUCHER said:7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one1 -
I put it on CL Saturday morning that my mate pulled out - I had 2 upper Covered End tickets - took them with me to game and kept checking on CL to see if any takers, until I went in the ground at 2pmDOUCHER said:
could you not have asked for one on here?Off_it said:
Unless you were trying to buy one on the day of the match because of a fairly last minute decision to attend (ie 4 or 5 hours before ko).Bedsaddick said:
Anybody who really wanted a ticket could have got some on CL on a few threads this week.DOUCHER said:7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one1 -
exactlyLordflashheart said:
I put it on CL Saturday morning that my mate pulled out - I had 2 upper Covered End tickets - took them with me to game and kept checking on CL to see if any takers, until I went in the ground at 2pmDOUCHER said:
could you not have asked for one on here?Off_it said:
Unless you were trying to buy one on the day of the match because of a fairly last minute decision to attend (ie 4 or 5 hours before ko).Bedsaddick said:
Anybody who really wanted a ticket could have got some on CL on a few threads this week.DOUCHER said:7750 north, 5750 west 3750 East 1750 south 19k bodies in ground would be my assessment of yesterday - did u not ask on here 'off it' for a ticket? i'm sure if u had, somebody would have got u one0 -
Loads of free tickets on here on the day, surely those people could just call the club and give them back. Everyone that wants a ticket will look on the OS, only a small % even know this place exists.
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The intiative has encouraged my brother into buying a half season ticket, his first ever season ticket.26
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Felt like this promo has attracted some wankers though. In H block Covered End on Saturday and two idiots were starting on and taunting a bloke who had his little girl with him.
The little girl was visibly upset, he had to take her down to an emptier row near the front of the block. I've been there most home games this season and never seen them before, so must've got entry through the free promo.0
