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Chuks Aneke - speculation re 2023/24 season (p60)

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  • thecat
    thecat Posts: 351
    Seems to be really up for it at the moment, even more than before
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    RC_CAFC said:
    If you could guarantee me that he could play half an hour every game from here to the end of the season l, I’d snap your hand off. Comfortably the best substitute in league 1.
    Relative to his level, he might be the best sub in Europe.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited October 2022
    For me Stockley is the bigger problem.

    Chuks suits the direction we want to go in, even if he can only ever be a super sub. He’s not going to be part of a high press but he makes things happen when he’s on the pitch.

    Stockley doesn’t look as good a player as he did before this season and it can’t only be down to the formation and style of play. Confidence is one thing but I do wonder if he’s playing with an injury or previous injuries have had an impact.

    We need a new striker in January and it wouldn’t surprise me if Stockley moved on to help that happen. 4-3-3 would be much more effective with a strong mobile striker with a decent touch.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:
    For me Stockley is the bigger problem.

    Chuks suits the direction we want to go in, even if he can only ever be a super sub. He’s not going to be part of a high press but he makes things happen when he’s on the pitch.

    Stockley doesn’t look as good a player as he did before this season and it can’t only be down to the formation and style of play. Confidence is one thing but I do wonder if he’s playing with an injury or previous injuries have had an impact.

    We need a new striker in January and it wouldn’t surprise me if Stockley moved on to help that happen. 4-3-3 would be much more effective with a strong mobile striker with a decent touch.
    I was watching Stockley quite closely in the MK Dons game, as much as you can on the stream. 

    He isn't the same player that arrived at the club nearly 2 years ago.  He was never going to run the the channels and get in behind but he wasn't this slow to react.  To me he looks like he is in real pain, or fear of pain. Or his confidence in his body, or ability, is so shot he isn't even trying.

    Playing him every week is only making it worse but we don't have much choice really.

    Back to Aneke we will never see the 20 minutes version extended to 60 or 70 from the start.  Yes it's unfortunate, yes it highlights other problems but starting Chuks isn't a viable, even short term, solution.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,756
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    For me Stockley is the bigger problem.

    Chuks suits the direction we want to go in, even if he can only ever be a super sub. He’s not going to be part of a high press but he makes things happen when he’s on the pitch.

    Stockley doesn’t look as good a player as he did before this season and it can’t only be down to the formation and style of play. Confidence is one thing but I do wonder if he’s playing with an injury or previous injuries have had an impact.

    We need a new striker in January and it wouldn’t surprise me if Stockley moved on to help that happen. 4-3-3 would be much more effective with a strong mobile striker with a decent touch.
    I was watching Stockley quite closely in the MK Dons game, as much as you can on the stream. 

    He isn't the same player that arrived at the club nearly 2 years ago.  He was never going to run the the channels and get in behind but he wasn't this slow to react.  To me he looks like he is in real pain, or fear of pain. Or his confidence in his body, or ability, is so shot he isn't even trying.

    Playing him every week is only making it worse but we don't have much choice really.

    Back to Aneke we will never see the 20 minutes version extended to 60 or 70 from the start.  Yes it's unfortunate, yes it highlights other problems but starting Chuks isn't a viable, even short term, solution.
    And I’d rather not risk it to be honest as he offers so much from the bench. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RC_CAFC said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    For me Stockley is the bigger problem.

    Chuks suits the direction we want to go in, even if he can only ever be a super sub. He’s not going to be part of a high press but he makes things happen when he’s on the pitch.

    Stockley doesn’t look as good a player as he did before this season and it can’t only be down to the formation and style of play. Confidence is one thing but I do wonder if he’s playing with an injury or previous injuries have had an impact.

    We need a new striker in January and it wouldn’t surprise me if Stockley moved on to help that happen. 4-3-3 would be much more effective with a strong mobile striker with a decent touch.
    I was watching Stockley quite closely in the MK Dons game, as much as you can on the stream. 

    He isn't the same player that arrived at the club nearly 2 years ago.  He was never going to run the the channels and get in behind but he wasn't this slow to react.  To me he looks like he is in real pain, or fear of pain. Or his confidence in his body, or ability, is so shot he isn't even trying.

    Playing him every week is only making it worse but we don't have much choice really.

    Back to Aneke we will never see the 20 minutes version extended to 60 or 70 from the start.  Yes it's unfortunate, yes it highlights other problems but starting Chuks isn't a viable, even short term, solution.
    And I’d rather not risk it to be honest as he offers so much from the bench. 
    I think it's even bigger than that.  He can't play like that for 70-90 so it completely over rides the risk.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Dazzler21 said:
    NabySarr said:
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
    It’s amazing how he can control the ball with a centre back on his back like it’s nothing. Compared to Stockley who can’t control a long ball even if there is no defender on him. Makes so much difference 
    Such a pity he can't last more than 20 minutes...
    My Mrs is usually relatively pleased when I last that long. 
    Otherwise she could be looking at other options from the bench? :smiley:


  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    We signed someone on a three and a half year contract who can only play 20 minutes even when fit, have another player up top who doesn't suit the system and expected an 18 year old who hadn't played a League game prior to this to do the business from the off. 

    We needed to sign two forwards pre season albeit that was prior to young Leaburn's elevation. As per usual, left it to last knockings to seal a deal, as if this is nothing but a game of brinkmanship, by which time the window door had been well and truly slammed. That one quality striker would have been the difference between being 9th as we are now and almost certainly the bare minimum of the play offs.

    There is only one person to blame for that and that isn't Aneke, isn't Stockley and certainly isn't Leaburn. It's the bloke who signs the cheques. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    RC_CAFC said:
    If you could guarantee me that he could play half an hour every game from here to the end of the season l, I’d snap your hand off. Comfortably the best substitute in league 1.
    In my mind, that's exactly why Chuks was re-signed - to be that quality impact sub.

    He was already proven in that role under Lee Bowyer, with the fact that tiring defences couldn't handle him plus the sheer number of goals he scored from the bench.

    I feel sure that's why Jacko brought him back.


  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
    My God, he was hard work. :neutral:


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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    I think Chuks could suit a 4-2-3-1 system or 4-3-3.
    Could be utilised as a plan b - preferably from the hour mark
  • 2 cup games now, I expect chucks to be rested for the pointless game on Tuesday and the I would also rest him on Saturday.

    Stockley looks so shot of confidence, we should start him in at least one of the cup games as we will likely create chances in both. I would also give Kanu game time to see if he can force himself into the match day squad
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    RC_CAFC said:
    If you could guarantee me that he could play half an hour every game from here to the end of the season l, I’d snap your hand off. Comfortably the best substitute in league 1.
    That Ladapo for Ipswich tbf!
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    For me Stockley is the bigger problem.

    Chuks suits the direction we want to go in, even if he can only ever be a super sub. He’s not going to be part of a high press but he makes things happen when he’s on the pitch.

    Stockley doesn’t look as good a player as he did before this season and it can’t only be down to the formation and style of play. Confidence is one thing but I do wonder if he’s playing with an injury or previous injuries have had an impact.

    We need a new striker in January and it wouldn’t surprise me if Stockley moved on to help that happen. 4-3-3 would be much more effective with a strong mobile striker with a decent touch.
    I was watching Stockley quite closely in the MK Dons game, as much as you can on the stream. 

    He isn't the same player that arrived at the club nearly 2 years ago.  He was never going to run the the channels and get in behind but he wasn't this slow to react.  To me he looks like he is in real pain, or fear of pain. Or his confidence in his body, or ability, is so shot he isn't even trying.

    Playing him every week is only making it worse but we don't have much choice really.

    Back to Aneke we will never see the 20 minutes version extended to 60 or 70 from the start.  Yes it's unfortunate, yes it highlights other problems but starting Chuks isn't a viable, even short term, solution.
    I'd agree with that, he's definitely playing through some kind of injury/pain. He hasn't looked right for weeks (maybe months) and i suspect that if we had a viable alternative then he wouldn't be starting every game.

    It's clear to me and pretty much everyone else that he doesn't suit the way Garner wants to play but he doesn't deserve abuse or to be called shit (by some fans) because i'm convinced he's putting the team above his own fitness simply by being out there.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,756
    Leuth said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    If you could guarantee me that he could play half an hour every game from here to the end of the season l, I’d snap your hand off. Comfortably the best substitute in league 1.
    That Ladapo for Ipswich tbf!
    He is a funny player. Blows very hot and cold. Also, believe he was a bit of a nightmare to manage at Rotherham for Paul Warne. Can be brilliant on his day, but he has games where he hardly touches the ball. Aneke seems to be more consistent when he is fit.

    I have no problem that we signed Aneke on a 3 and a half year deal just to play off the bench. It gives us something that no other team in this division has. The problem is, we then need sign enough quality to actually start. 
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    Cheat code
    Noticed on Saturday when he got past that Ipswich defender on the byline that he basically had him in a headlock and threw him to the floor. Love his intensity.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    Ladies and Gentlemen, the cheat code 😂


  • I don’t get this contract with Aneke. Yes, he might be more talented than many in League One, but I wouldn’t employ a guy who turned up at 3 o’clock and knocked off at 5.30.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    NabySarr said:
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
    It’s amazing how he can control the ball with a centre back on his back like it’s nothing. Compared to Stockley who can’t control a long ball even if there is no defender on him. Makes so much difference 
    Such a pity he can't last more than 20 minutes...
    My Mrs is usually relatively pleased when I last that long. 
    She's being greedy.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Ham & cheese strings
  • Sadly think it's time to let him go(again). Should never have brought him back.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,234
    Just get rid. Not fit for purpose. I’ve run out of sympathy. Sorry. 
  • Terminate his contract and show him the door.
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,207
    Poor Aneke, I feel really sorry for him.
  • Solidgone said:
    Poor Aneke, I feel really sorry for him.
    He's done okay out of Charlton.
  • peterreeves
    peterreeves Posts: 1,062
    His bad luck is as bad as the bloody club... I've never known anybody be so injury prone as this lad. 
  • RedPanda
    RedPanda Posts: 4,986
    It's like Danny Haynes, big talent plus some quality games and goals but it's not sustainable given his body. If we hadn't re-signed Chuks for 3.5 years he'd also have been bouncing around Ebbsfleet and non league before long.
  • Nothing against the lad but a at a club that’s skint and needs every available penny for players you just can’t justify having a player like Chuks. 
  • It’s obviously a shame as we see that rare occasion when he pulls off absolutely ridiculous stuff on a football pitch. 

    But considering he couldn’t even make it through a pre season where his minutes were managed more than anyone else, alongside his previous injury history, the red flags were always there - lots of people just didn’t want to see them. 

    The worst thing for me now is his general lack of fitness. So in the games where he has been able to play it feels like he has 10-15 minutes in him at most.


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