Committed the cardinal sin, asked John from Larkfield to stop leaving for away games on the Bayliss Executive coaches 5 days before kick off. Ā John said weāve always done it this way and wonāt changeĀ
Think TS needs to attend a seminar called " The importance of stability in a football club".
Squeaky b*m time for other staff members at our club ?Ā
May depend if the other staff members are doing a good job. IFā¦. he is trying to impart a better mentality around the place and people think itās still a jolly up, then I guess they need to worry.Ā
Stay positive it will all work out in the end , just needs a little help and brainpower to improve the recruitment processĀ Season will start soon enough and we can all forget what a fucking complete shambles we areĀ
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
New employee doesnāt pass probationary period. Nothing new is it?
For a c-suite role you would expect probation to be at least 6 months. It will be almost impossible to get rid before then unless it is gross misconduct or a mutual decision.
Why? Do C-Suite roles have more protection/rights than other roles?
if anything itās better to bin them nice and early (Iāve seen it happen a a lot).
It does call into question the selection and interviewing methods thoughā¦
No but they will have much longer probation periods. A junior member of staff could be out the door in a month - and even then (regardless of seniority) it is bloody hard to fire someone nowadays. So a job that is hard for a senior or junior staff member is twice as hard again if they are on a 6 month probation.
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
Just out of interest, why do you care so much about a person whose role you are getting wrong and did not know of any positive and negative attributes that he brought?
Perhaps because of his experience of American 'sport' I get the impression TS has completely unrealistic expectations for the commercial potential of the club in its current position. Ā
Realistically only promotion to the Prem would change that, and even then he may be shocked by the lack of new income opportunities after most of the huge boost in TV income is offset by wages and transfer fees if we want to even try to compete.
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
Perhaps because of his experience of American 'sport' I get the impression TS has completely unrealistic expectations for the commercial potential of the club in its current position. Ā
Realistically only promotion to the Prem would change that, and even then he may be shocked by the lack of new income opportunities after most of the huge boost in TV income is offset by wages and transfer fees if we want to even try to compete.
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure.Ā
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure.Ā
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
And for all those who have been tutting at my negativity for the last 18 months when I've said TS is just a cuddlier version of RD.......Ā
OK Jokat may ultimately have been awful, but TS appointed him! (and everyone else pretty much he's let go).
Are you pleased about the signings though?š¤·š»āāļø
Players? Can't say I know a great deal about any of them. Keeper hasn't got much experience but that doesn't make him good or bad, not sure if he's intended to be first choice or not. Egbo looks on paper decent, O'Connell I've heard mixed stories.
TBH at this level I never get too excited about transfers in until we've seen them play for a period. General there's a reason they are at league 2/1 level. It's not like say when we bought in DiCanio or Jensen when you just knew you were getting quality. We're a different level now so you have to reply on those in the buying process, and that's where I think experience and game knowledge often outweighs the stats. So it seems these are manager appointments so you'd hope they work out (assuming the manager lasts! ).
And for all those who have been tutting at my negativity for the last 18 months when I've said TS is just a cuddlier version of RD.......Ā
OK Jokat may ultimately have been awful, but TS appointed him! (and everyone else pretty much he's let go).
Are you pleased about the signings though?š¤·š»āāļø
Players? Can't say I know a great deal about any of them. Keeper hasn't got much experience but that doesn't make him good or bad, not sure if he's intended to be first choice or not. Egbo looks on paper decent, O'Connell I've heard mixed stories.
TBH at this level I never get too excited about transfers in until we've seen them play for a period. General there's a reason they are at league 2/1 level. It's not like say when we bought in DiCanio or Jensen when you just knew you were getting quality. We're a different level now so you have to reply on those in the buying process, and that's where I think experience and game knowledge often outweighs the stats. So it seems these are manager appointments so you'd hope they work out (assuming the manager lasts! ).
I also donāt have scooby about these players, but we needed a freshen up across the board, it seems to be happening, I donāt see how we can be as bad as last season, so Iām hoping as a fan that Iām singing the the praises of all involved come the end of the season.Ā
And like Wayne Mumford there wonāt be. The only way of finding out is to check the staff section of the clubs website to see if that person is there or not.Ā
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure.Ā
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Ā
Fanny with respect, I donāt see why getting rid of people that are not cutting the mustard as curious!! Are we in danger of believing rumours without real substance, because even when things take a turn for the better, suddenly snippets of discontent get leaked. I dont have any contacts that are ITK, so as someone who just reads posts on here and responds with my uneducated thoughts, it comes across as very negative, almost like people have to see a bit of drama around the club. Iām beginning to look forward to the upcoming season because we needed a fresh approach throughout, thatās whatās started to happen, but people seem to be keen on pissing on chips so to speak.
New employee doesnāt pass probationary period. Nothing new is it?
For a c-suite role you would expect probation to be at least 6 months. It will be almost impossible to get rid before then unless it is gross misconduct or a mutual decision.
Why? Do C-Suite roles have more protection/rights than other roles?
if anything itās better to bin them nice and early (Iāve seen it happen a a lot).
It does call into question the selection and interviewing methods thoughā¦
No but they will have much longer probation periods. A junior member of staff could be out the door in a month - and even then (regardless of seniority) it is bloody hard to fire someone nowadays. So a job that is hard for a senior or junior staff member is twice as hard again if they are on a 6 month probation.
Simply not true. Probation periods are only likely to affect the notice that an employer has to give the employee. There are no employment rights until someone has been employed for 2 years, whether they are COO or make the tea.Ā
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure.Ā
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Ā
Fanny with respect, I donāt see why getting rid of people that are not cutting the mustard as curious!! Are we in danger of believing rumours without real substance, because even when things take a turn for the better, suddenly snippets of discontent get leaked. I dont have any contacts that are ITK, so as someone who just reads posts on here and responds with my uneducated thoughts, it comes across as very negative, almost like people have to see a bit of drama around the club. Iām beginning to look forward to the upcoming season because we needed a fresh approach throughout, thatās whatās started to happen, but people seem to be keen on pissing on chips so to speak.
Maybe because he was only appointed 8 weeks ago, and was meant to be part of the fresh approach
I'm not sure how anyone can be judged in that short a length of time, and if he was truly sacked for being disastrous, it doesn't reflect well on the judgement of the person who hired him
Lots of speculation Ā here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Ā
Far better to let staff go if they arenāt working out and then re group.Ā
I donāt really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Ā
Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.Ā
As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just donāt know but itās early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.Ā
Hmmm.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ Ā
But Iām not trying to score points just offer an alternate view. Ā Ā
My point was itās not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure.Ā
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Ā
And all the while Tony K is still in a jobā¦
Tony K does not fall under Sandgaard's remit. He is employed by Roland to be his representative at the Valley & SL.
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Season will start soon enough and we can all forget what a fucking complete shambles we areĀ
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.Ā
And making a rather poor attempt !Ā
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Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge Ā to base my suggestion on.Ā
Moreover Iād suggest āhire and fireā is a more US trait then we are used toĀ
Swear I've heard that somewhere before?
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.Ā
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.Ā
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?Ā
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.Ā
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Ā
OK Jokat may ultimately have been awful, but TS appointed him! (and everyone else pretty much he's let go).
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TBH at this level I never get too excited about transfers in until we've seen them play for a period. General there's a reason they are at league 2/1 level. It's not like say when we bought in DiCanio or Jensen when you just knew you were getting quality. We're a different level now so you have to reply on those in the buying process, and that's where I think experience and game knowledge often outweighs the stats. So it seems these are manager appointments so you'd hope they work out (assuming the manager lasts!
I'm not sure how anyone can be judged in that short a length of time, and if he was truly sacked for being disastrous, it doesn't reflect well on the judgement of the person who hired him