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  • Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?

    It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.

    In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season.  Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience'  basis.

    Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team.  This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.

    A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*

    Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.



    *Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit.  It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.

    Ha!Ha! Had forgotten all about this! A "classic", which is so indicative of the "plastic football" encouraged by the Premiership and EFL. Reminded me, the "AA for short", need to be held at arms length if their "approved dealer" scam is still operating. Six weeks in, it breaks down bigtime. £1400 lost, and two months later, I finally get it back. These people need to stick to breakdowns, at which they seem reasonably good. They should take their snouts out of other "areas of opportunity". Rather like many who destroy football clubs.
  • Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen. 
    Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion?
    Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.

  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........ 

    Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
    But he still has to cough up 8 million. Do you understand what 'Write off' actually means?  
  • So if Sandgaard is here next week, I wonder if he's coming to Download festival?
  • I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business. 

    Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!" 


  • Dazzler21 said:
    So if Sandgaard is here next week, I wonder if he's coming to Download festival?
    Surprise headliner 
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  • Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised. 
    Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark? 
      ;)  
    Nah, that’s where we are getting our players!!😂
  • Major said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........ 

    Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
    But he still has to cough up 8 million. Do you understand what 'Write off' actually means?  
    It appears you don't understand. 
  • I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business. 

    Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!" 


    More like Walter Mitty
  • Rothko said:
    All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here  
    How dare football fans have an opinion on their club. 
  • Major said:
    Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen. 
    Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion?
    Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.

    He operates his business in the USA and will no doubt affect US business practise. By the way, I can give you quite a few examples but it would be boring. Probably the biggest in terms of scale was when I was a Divisional CEO of a Public Company. It was 50% owned by famous US investors. One of them came over to give a speech at our employee conference and stood on the podium and told everyone that we would have a market valuation of £1bn within 3 years when all of us running the business knew that was impossible and we operated wholly in the UK and prior to the speech he hadn’t discussed this with us. We never got past £300m. 
    Just to clarify, I am grateful to TS for saving the club and I am supportive of him but the mistakes are starting to mount up and we need to stay realistic. 
  • Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?

    It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.

    In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season.  Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience'  basis.

    Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team.  This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.

    A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*

    Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.



    *Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit.  It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.

    I’m really glad someone brought this up.
    My bestie is Cardiff.
    All that seems to be happening at CAFC does have a familiar ring to it.
  • Pipers and tunes.
  • The quid pro quo for Thomas Sandgaard arriving and cleansing the stench left by Southall and co is he is a hands on owner.
    Once his eyes and ears left, Ged Roddy,  Martin Sandgaard became that person even if his Job is about recruitment. 
    Charlton are becoming entrenched in the 3rd tier and I don't believe the majority of cafc fan/critics will give any manager the time he needs to put his identity on the team.

    We have seen over the years at many clubs having Business acumen doesn't always dovetail with Football acumen.

    The paradox is we need a strong character as a manager and I'm not convinced that the remit from Thomas Sandgaard will allow that as he said he needs to hire someone he has a good relationship with. Of course, but it feels like it will be one sided.
  • Rothko said:
    All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here  
    Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though. 

    Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.

    Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.
    Maybe, but all the Pseudo psychology about Sandgaard or the 2,500 word wannabe James O’Brien polemics about this that and the other aren’t changing where we are, or peoples views. 
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  • Mr. Sandgaard, gave us a dream 
    (bung, bung, bung, bung)
    Doesn’t appear what we thought it would seem
    (bung, bung, bung, bung)
    Plays the guitar like Guns and Rose
    (bung, bung, bung, bung)
    Yet makes it so unclear what he proposes

    Mr. Sandgaard, you haven’t shown
    (bung, bung, bung, bung)
    What you intend, or where this is goin’
    Turn on son’s magic beam,
    Mr. Sandgaard give us a dream
    (bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung,
    bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung…)

    Mr. Sandgaard, bring us a dream
    The cutest manager we’ve ever seen
    Who stops us being an easy rollover
    Who give up playing once the first half’s over
    Mr. Sandgaard, that’s why we moan
    Don’t want no sick notes, or “has beans” on  loan
    Duchatelet’s obscene,
    You ain’t been here, seen what we’ve seen

    Mr Sandgaard, (yes) help build a team
    Please let us in on your cunning scheme
    Someone like Kermogant, Hales or Mendonca?
    Or are we signing yet another Plonker?
    Mr Sandgaard it’s time to get
    Someone to find the back of the net
    Meantime the fans will scream
    Mr Sandgaard bring us a dream 
  • On the footballing side of operations, I know we need a manager/head coach and enough players to a build a promotion chasing squad, and I'm sure that's where the focus is at present, but do we also need a Director of Football too do you think?

    It could be the reason Ben Chorley resigned from Swindon, to join Ben Garner and his assistants, assuming they're coming here, or do I remember seeing that dismissed as an unrelated coincidence by TS earlier in the week?

    On the non footballing side, the last couple of appointments made since April, Brian Jokat as COO, and Ron Dangerfield as the new Club Secretary, do seem to have experience of sports/football administration so I assume they're working to try and improve things behind the scenes, if that's what's needed.

  • I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations! 
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