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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • edited June 2022
    mart77 said:
    cafc999 said:
    Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut and look the fool, not open it and confirm the fool.

    That statement on the OS was Thomas opening his mouth
    Funny if it isn’t Garner though.
    Wouldn't put it past TS to not appoint Garner out of stubbornness now.
  • My take on the delay is that whatever deal has been signed up to, be it oven ready, half baked or otherwise, is conditional and those conditions have yet to be met.
  • Clarky said:
    Nobody knows what the hell is really going on, so this is my take using a good old fashioned housing anology.

    I (Charlton) want to buy a one bedroomed flat (Garner) from you (Swindon) and whilst we have agreed a price we don't want to disclose this until negotiations are finalised. However, a third party (Cawley) makes the agreement public knowledge. As I do not want to weaken by negotiation position I quickly refute this by saying it is not the case as I am still looking at other properties,  two bedroomed house (Warburton) and a three bedroomed house (Beale), neither of which I can really afford but I won't say that. You are also unhappy as you accept you are selling your flat and don't want this announcement to stop others viewing the property.
    As this is taking  longer than expected one of the parties decides to go on holiday and we both decide that whilst negotiations can continue an announcement will not be made until all parties are in the same room so it can be signed off together.
    Being abroad I pack my guitar and ego and book a flight. Meanwhile it is discovered that the fixtures (coach 1) and fittings (coach 2) are not included in the price and further negotiations are necessary causing a further delay. I am happy with.the fixtures but don't really need the fittings as I am happy with my current fittings (JE). To add to this the 3rd party makes a further announcement that an agreement has been reached which suggests that the house has been sold. As the fittings are still to be agreed my wife (Dr R) who has been quiet up to now thinks she is being helpful and interferes causing further chaos. I can't tell her that so I issue a statement to give a clearer position which only serves to complicate matters further.
    On my flight over I read messages from my friends (fans) on social media and it is quite clear I will never appease everybody as they refer to the fact I used to live in a 4 bedroomed detached house (prem days) and nothing less than that will now be acceptable. Despite my promises that this will happen within the next 5 years I can only afford a one bedroomed flat and even that is becoming more expensive (compensation for Garner, coach 1 and 2 and probably JE) and is now at the price of my 3 bedroomed house I looked at but is no longer for sale.
    I have therefore decided I no longer wish to move and as I still need a manager to look after things whilst I am abroad I will be appointing and announcing my son (MS) who will be keeping the current fittings, in my own time. There is no hurry to do this before the pre season trip to Spain as that has been cancelled as the hot climate and Mediterranean food doesn't agree with my son, who I have to put first.
    I will be reviewing the housing market again in December when I decide things aren't working out.
    I understand this to be correct  ;)
  • Clarky said:
    Nobody knows what the hell is really going on, so this is my take using a good old fashioned housing anology.

    I (Charlton) want to buy a one bedroomed flat (Garner) from you (Swindon) and whilst we have agreed a price we don't want to disclose this until negotiations are finalised. However, a third party (Cawley) makes the agreement public knowledge. As I do not want to weaken by negotiation position I quickly refute this by saying it is not the case as I am still looking at other properties,  two bedroomed house (Warburton) and a three bedroomed house (Beale), neither of which I can really afford but I won't say that. You are also unhappy as you accept you are selling your flat and don't want this announcement to stop others viewing the property.
    As this is taking  longer than expected one of the parties decides to go on holiday and we both decide that whilst negotiations can continue an announcement will not be made until all parties are in the same room so it can be signed off together.
    Being abroad I pack my guitar and ego and book a flight. Meanwhile it is discovered that the fixtures (coach 1) and fittings (coach 2) are not included in the price and further negotiations are necessary causing a further delay. I am happy with.the fixtures but don't really need the fittings as I am happy with my current fittings (JE). To add to this the 3rd party makes a further announcement that an agreement has been reached which suggests that the house has been sold. As the fittings are still to be agreed my wife (Dr R) who has been quiet up to now thinks she is being helpful and interferes causing further chaos. I can't tell her that so I issue a statement to give a clearer position which only serves to complicate matters further.
    On my flight over I read messages from my friends (fans) on social media and it is quite clear I will never appease everybody as they refer to the fact I used to live in a 4 bedroomed detached house (prem days) and nothing less than that will now be acceptable. Despite my promises that this will happen within the next 5 years I can only afford a one bedroomed flat and even that is becoming more expensive (compensation for Garner, coach 1 and 2 and probably JE) and is now at the price of my 3 bedroomed house I looked at but is no longer for sale.
    I have therefore decided I no longer wish to move and as I still need a manager to look after things whilst I am abroad I will be appointing and announcing my son (MS) who will be keeping the current fittings, in my own time. There is no hurry to do this before the pre season trip to Spain as that has been cancelled as the hot climate and Mediterranean food doesn't agree with my son, who I have to put first.
    I will be reviewing the housing market again in December when I decide things aren't working out.
    So, what you’re saying is Martins moved in?  :*
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    edited June 2022
    Clarky said:
    Nobody knows what the hell is really going on, so this is my take using a good old fashioned housing anology.

    I (Charlton) want to buy a one bedroomed flat (Garner) from you (Swindon) and whilst we have agreed a price we don't want to disclose this until negotiations are finalised. However, a third party (Cawley) makes the agreement public knowledge. As I do not want to weaken by negotiation position I quickly refute this by saying it is not the case as I am still looking at other properties,  two bedroomed house (Warburton) and a three bedroomed house (Beale), neither of which I can really afford but I won't say that. You are also unhappy as you accept you are selling your flat and don't want this announcement to stop others viewing the property.
    As this is taking  longer than expected one of the parties decides to go on holiday and we both decide that whilst negotiations can continue an announcement will not be made until all parties are in the same room so it can be signed off together.
    Being abroad I pack my guitar and ego and book a flight. Meanwhile it is discovered that the fixtures (coach 1) and fittings (coach 2) are not included in the price and further negotiations are necessary causing a further delay. I am happy with.the fixtures but don't really need the fittings as I am happy with my current fittings (JE). To add to this the 3rd party makes a further announcement that an agreement has been reached which suggests that the house has been sold. As the fittings are still to be agreed my wife (Dr R) who has been quiet up to now thinks she is being helpful and interferes causing further chaos. I can't tell her that so I issue a statement to give a clearer position which only serves to complicate matters further.
    On my flight over I read messages from my friends (fans) on social media and it is quite clear I will never appease everybody as they refer to the fact I used to live in a 4 bedroomed detached house (prem days) and nothing less than that will now be acceptable. Despite my promises that this will happen within the next 5 years I can only afford a one bedroomed flat and even that is becoming more expensive (compensation for Garner, coach 1 and 2 and probably JE) and is now at the price of my 3 bedroomed house I looked at but is no longer for sale.
    I have therefore decided I no longer wish to move and as I still need a manager to look after things whilst I am abroad I will be appointing and announcing my son (MS) who will be keeping the current fittings, in my own time. There is no hurry to do this before the pre season trip to Spain as that has been cancelled as the hot climate and Mediterranean food doesn't agree with my son, who I have to put first.
    I will be reviewing the housing market again in December when I decide things aren't working out.

      A house buying analogy is always helpful to any transfer / manager long running thread. 
  • edited June 2022
    Stig said:

    ...TS has spoken about a "one club" mentality and I understand the new CEO Jokat is pushing that same mantra...

    What does that mean though?
    Like so much of modern sloganeering, in itself it's meaningless, but it is afforded meaning by constant repetition until it is embedded in the minds of the masses who then bandy it about without ever pausing to consider what they're actually saying.
    The ad man's ubiquitous Own...Christmas; happiness; dieting; Glastonbury is one repugnant example of this meaningless
    genre. You can also add Your way to the end of the examples above to achieve the same nonsensical effect.
    Anyway, next season we'll have a new manager, some different players, a new kit, but the same old comforting schisms that will always make us 'One Club'.
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  • JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    I met plenty during all the demonstration and actions who were unaware of CL.
    Even at the frozen meeting in Woolwich.
  • edited June 2022
    JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    Have to say James I would think more people then that are aware of the situation. When you look on twitter, Instagram, Facebook many fans have the same feeling. I would say at least a third of the attandence of home fans at a minimum. 
  • JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    Have to say James I would think more people then that are aware of the situation. When you look on twitter, Instagram, Facebook many fans have the same feeling. I would say at least a third of the attandence of home fans at a minimum. 
    Maybe. But there’s a difference between being aware, and being deeply concerned perhaps?
    Once the announcement is made we can relax, but then we’ll (rightly) be worried about recruitment. And then the season will start and it’ll be results that matter the most. I’m more likely to be worried at that time if I’m honest. 
  • I still hope it's because we're after someone like Warburton still. 
  • JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    If anyone has an interest in Charlton Athletic regardless if they don’t have access to the internet (Not many in this days and age plus the ones that don’t would have made aware by friends and family) will be aware that they don’t have a manager in charge and has been the case for nearly 5 weeks. 

    Nothing wrong with debate otherwise what’s the point of any forum. 
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  • JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    Have to say James I would think more people then that are aware of the situation. When you look on twitter, Instagram, Facebook many fans have the same feeling. I would say at least a third of the attandence of home fans at a minimum. 
    I'd image the same people post on more than 1 platform and there's hardly 1000s of comments on every post. 
  • sholland said:
    The circus will be rolling into town this week the ringmaster will announce coco the clown as manager or whoever it is, then we can move onto the next car crash of his own making. 
    Well, TS and RM have already got dressed up for the part:

    Greatest Circus Ringmaster Cardboard Stand-Up  Oriental Trading
  • edited June 2022
    Scoham said:

    Russel Slade never received the credit that was due with his innovative formation and improvements he made to the squad ? ? ?

    In the Cafc canteen where the food was healthier, the sitting arrangements were made so the players bonded and no one was isolated. Slade wasn't keen on milky tea so made sure that Doris only used skimmed milk and left the tea bags in the Cup longer than we managed on the field.
    Look at that evil barsteward stretching the life out of poor old Scarfy. No wonder he doesn't want the job anymore!

    But on a side note I had the misfortune to be staying at the same hotel as the team "managed" by Slade, away at Fleetwood early in the season. Two things of note. First I said to Slade on the Saturday morning - "three points today then?"  He looked utterly startled by the concept as if trying to win an away match against lowly opposition was a complete anathema to him.  He said something along the lines of "well, we'll see". Second there was clearly very little team bonding going on. Nicky Ajose (a new signing) was left all alone and was sitting by himself in the hotel public areas. When the team went out for a stroll around the grounds, he was again all alone at the back, slowly wandering along listening to music. I didn't see anyone talk to him the entire time I was there. Predictably, the game was a poor quality 2-2 draw. Ajose barely touched the ball before he was subbed.  
    Whoever the next manager is, it is precisely this lack of ambition and team building ethic that it is imperative we avoid.
  • edited June 2022
    Well, that statement has poured more fuel on the fires of discontent.

    Worst than that it will, assuming it happens, spoil the party when Garner is finally appointed.

    A mistake.  Not the end of the world but a big mistake none the less.

    Maybe the owner was frustrated by the version of events being leaked from Swindon, perhaps because they want to force Charlton to pay more compensation than TS is wanting to pay but even if that was the case (I have no inside info) it was still a mistake.

    It does point to both needing to bite your lip and ignore the comments and insults (yes, yes pot and kettle coming from me and no Cawley's comments weren't in anyway insulting or outside his remit as a local journalist) as well not consulting/listening to your experienced CEO, comms team or even your own appointed fan advisor who has a PR background and was selected largely because of that.

    My fear is the family now draw up the drawbridge and take on an "us and them" mentality.

    TS has spoken about a "one club" mentality and I understand the new CEO Jokat is pushing that same mantra.

    To succeed the fans need to be a big, the biggest, part of that but this weekend has damaged that, I just hope not permanently.


    Is he the CEO ? I thought he was coming in as COO ? (Though I know that burger boy had/has that title ?)
  • shirty5 said:
    JamesSeed said:
    We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL. 
    In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.
    Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
    If anyone has an interest in Charlton Athletic regardless if they don’t have access to the internet (Not many in this days and age plus the ones that don’t would have made aware by friends and family) will be aware that they don’t have a manager in charge and has been the case for nearly 5 weeks. 

    Nothing wrong with debate otherwise what’s the point of any forum. 
    Agree up to a point, but to many more casual fans five weeks selecting a new manager probably isn’t  the end of the world. Not ideal, but not a catastrophe. 
    As I said, the debate has been interesting. 
  • cafcfan said:
    Scoham said:

    Russel Slade never received the credit that was due with his innovative formation and improvements he made to the squad ? ? ?

    In the Cafc canteen where the food was healthier, the sitting arrangements were made so the players bonded and no one was isolated. Slade wasn't keen on milky tea so made sure that Doris only used skimmed milk and left the tea bags in the Cup longer than we managed on the field.
    Look at that evil barsteward stretching the life out of poor old Scarfy. No wonder he doesn't want the job anymore!

    But on a side note I had the misfortune to be staying at the same hotel as the team "managed" by Slade, away at Fleetwood early in the season. Two things of note. First I said to Slade on the Saturday morning - "three points today then?"  He looked utterly startled by the concept as if trying to win an away match against lowly opposition was a complete anathema to him.  He said something along the lines of "well, we'll see". Second there was clearly very little team bonding going on. Nicky Ajose (a new signing) was left all alone and was sitting by himself in the hotel public areas. When the team went out for a stroll around the grounds, he was again all alone at the back, slowly wandering along listening to music. I didn't see anyone talk to him the entire time I was there. Predictably, the game was a poor quality 2-2 draw. Ajose barely touched the ball before he was subbed.  
    Whoever the next manager is, it is precisely this lack of ambition and team building ethic that it is imperative we avoid.

    I always notice things like that and it is really telling how a player will do. Leon Clarke had a poor time at Cafc as he looked a loner and looked unhappy and isolated from the group when I saw him at away games in his short time at the valley. Some players can bond easier with a group than others. Jayden Stockley and Johnnie Williams will always be popular with team mates off the field even if Jayden needs to moan at his colleagues on the field when they aren't at it.
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