I think TS is struggling to handle completing all this from America with the privacy he wanted. He thought he could just quietly get on with it without outside interest like in any other business, he didn’t (quite naively) factor in that football is not like any other business and opinions, hype and speculations play a huge role in football, even at this level.
The ongoing negotiations are normal of business, but unusual in their length in a footballing sense.
I definitely think the biggest mistakes they’ve made in the last 30 days is responding on social media to people.
I am supportive of TS and totally believe he has the best interests of the club at heart but I think he needs to give the fans something positive soon just so we can all get behind the new manager and team ready for next season.
Hire an experienced chief executive then. Millwall have an American owner and he hired Kavanagh. Someone who not only knows how the Football League operates, but has experience in this region they play in as well.
Barclay says there is little incentive to invest in lower league anymore. When has there been? If you can take charge of a League 1 club and take them to the Premier League, stay there for at least a few years then it can be financial rewarding. But the chance of doing that without making huge losses first is almost none. That's been the case for quite a while now, in fact I'd argue the incentive is greater because the money in the Prem continues to grow. That's why clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich and Wigan still attracted enough interest to be taken over. Of course I appreciate that for smaller clubs it's not worth the hassle because you've been an even greater improbability of success on the pitch. I don't think anything has changed in a long time though.
maybe just maybe TS has alternatives lined up and hasn’t decided ?
More likely it’s just that he needs / wants to meet in person before confirming the appointment in case it changes any opinions from the zoom style interviews to date.
But actually this PR game may just be creating a small bit of drama/interest in what otherwise would be a relative non event in the close season and has actually made the choice of manager seem better than it was first perceived.
Faux outrage of amateur communication matters not a jot whilst we are third teir.
On balance I’m more inclined they are just trying to create a bit of noise and PR to big up the confirmation when it comes as otherwise we are barely newsworthy.
That’s the thing though it’s not newsworthy. It probably won’t even get a mention on Radio Five whilst it might on Talksport but it’ll be a one liner and move on. The only bit of noise it creates is amongst our fan base.
Agreed. Makes the appointment seem more appealing to ‘us’ when they acknowledge the initial luke warm reaction the news had.
It’s a possible explanation. It’s not any attempt to advocate it.
Let's face it we are an embarrassment at the moment. Millwank and palarse are both in a far better position than we are likely to be any time soon. I couldn't give a flying fuck how successful Sandgaard has been in his medical equipment company but he knows fuck all about running a football club. Employ some people with knowledge of how to run a football club and listen to what they say because as things stand we are a joke of a club.
I think TS is struggling to handle completing all this from America with the privacy he wanted. He thought he could just quietly get on with it without outside interest like in any other business, he didn’t (quite naively) factor in that football is not like any other business and opinions, hype and speculations play a huge role in football, even at this level.
The ongoing negotiations are normal of business, but unusual in their length in a footballing sense.
I definitely think the biggest mistakes they’ve made in the last 30 days is responding on social media to people.
I am supportive of TS and totally believe he has the best interests of the club at heart but I think he needs to give the fans something positive soon just so we can all get behind the new manager and team ready for next season.
Hire an experienced chief executive then. Millwall have an American owner and he hired Kavanagh. Someone who not only knows how the Football League operates, but has experience on this region they play in as well.
I agree with you. It does make sense and maybe TS will turn to that in time.
I think Andrew Barkley has kind of highlighted though that the opportunity to make money in football is tough (impossible in league one I would suggest) which means that TS wants to watch every pound that is being spent and make sure it is done sensibly. It means he is negotiating everything and isn’t letting anyone else have control.
The positives are that the club will hopefully stop wasting money, hopefully be shopping smartly and be investing in youth which is such a strength of Charlton.
The negatives are, TS is an excellent businessman but he isn’t an expert in English football. He so far has underestimated English football, it’s very difficult to get success on the cheap. When an owner isn’t splashing the cash, the fans are a lot quicker to jump on their back.
TS needs to live and die by his approach, and I believe that his approach really can have positive results. He just needs to have someone telling him what, how and when to communicate with the fans as that is really letting him down.
In a world before social media there wouldn’t be this sense of panic and feelings of doom and gloom.
I doubt we’d even really notice how long it’s taking to appoint a manager. We wouldn’t be responding to every rumour or comment on Twitter, there wouldn’t be any ill advised replies made to fans messages on LinkedIn by the owner.
We’d know that JJ had been sacked of course; then we’d have heard that Garner looks like he might be the one; then we might have read that negotiations are ongoing vis à vis his assistants joining him.
No massive deal.
Not saying this thing has been well handled, but really can’t get too triggered by social media messaging.
Appoint Garner and let’s get on with recruitment.
If that turns out to be a disaster, then maybe I’ll grab my pitchfork.
5 weeks and still deciding is a disgrace. Clearly something is very very wrong.
FFS……..I can’t be specific but I’m pretty sure that in my 65 years of supporting the club, on several occasions we have spent at least as much time in appointing a new manager……. if not more.
A brief pause ensues while people formulate how to criticise this statement.
I can’t believe TS is taking so long on such an important decision. He should just go with the first bloke mad enough to sign a contract and be done with it.
You wonder, well I wonder…to be successful in his business, he must be very shrewd at marketing, or have people who are shrewd at marketing. This process has turned Garner from someone that we didn’t seem to want (mostly) to someone we just want to get over the line. Will this process sell another 1000 season tickets? Marketing is a clever business these days that uses a lot of use of psychology and behavioural economics. #justsaying.
lighten up everybody - what has TS done wrong other than say its not quite done yet ? people do love a moan
Thanks for that hot new take!
wasn't trying to be original - not really been keeping up to date on here tbh but comforting to know you haven't changed - a bit like a splinter or a bunion or a dull headache
lighten up everybody - what has TS done wrong other than say its not quite done yet ? people do love a moan
Not TS himself perhaps but someone close to him made a completely unnecessary and unhelpful reply to a Twitter message by a well respected and connected journo.
Then the club/TS doubled down with a rather baffling "official statement" that did little if anything to actually clarify and seemed more like another (also unneeded) jab at the press/journo in question.
It's not the end of the world on its own but it's a bit of a mess and one entirely of their own making frankly. Especially given how long the process seems to be taking - that is probably not entirely due to any single party but whoever wrote/authorised that statement has badly failed to read the metaphorical room IMO.
Someone on Swindon forum is saying Garner has gone and the slowdown is compo for the 2 Scott's. Can't be announced until everything is agreed with all 3.
Rather than it being blamed entirely on the Sandgaard's, could it simply be that Swindon agreed for us to be allowed for the Garner approach on the grounds that we do not put any statements out until they announce his replacement?
Saying that I've just finished a second bottle of prosecco at Butlins with the Mrs and kids, so could just be nonsense.
Someone on Swindon forum is saying Garner has gone and the slowdown is compo for the 2 Scott's. Can't be announced until everything is agreed with all 3.
Assumed that was the case. Garner is successful with that backroom staff. Stupid not to bring them with him.
Rather than it being blamed entirely on the Sandgaard's, could it simply be that Swindon agreed for us to be allowed for the Garner approach on the grounds that we do not put any statements out until they announce his replacement?
Saying that I've just finished a second bottle of prosecco at Butlins with the Mrs and kids, so could just be nonsense.
Probably shouldn’t let the kids drink Prosecco mate, it’s a proper man’s drink that one…
Someone on Swindon forum is saying Garner has gone and the slowdown is compo for the 2 Scott's. Can't be announced until everything is agreed with all 3.
I wonder if one or both have been offered the manager’s job at Swindon?
I don’t think it matters much as long as it’s sorted in good time. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes in terms of coaching staff and player acquisition. It’s a good while before we need firm opinions.
Is it just me, but surely the compensation for both coaches will be nominal when neither have coached to a high level, they’re not number one and both willing to leave with Garner? Are we really dragging our heels on what is likely to be a very small sum? I’m not saying we have loads of money to waste but it’s not going to be a large fee they’re asking for.
Otherwise, if this drags on more, is it not unreasonable to think both coaches could resign and just join Garner to us without the compensation?
Someone on Swindon forum is saying Garner has gone and the slowdown is compo for the 2 Scott's. Can't be announced until everything is agreed with all 3.
Is it just me, but surely the compensation for both coaches will be nominal when neither have coached to a high level, they’re not number one and both willing to leave with Garner? Are we really dragging our heels on what is likely to be a very small sum? I’m not saying we have loads of money to waste but it’s not going to be a large fee they’re asking for.
Otherwise, if this drags on more, is it not unreasonable to think both coaches could resign and just join Garner to us without the compensation?
Is it just me, but surely the compensation for both coaches will be nominal when neither have coached to a high level, they’re not number one and both willing to leave with Garner? Are we really dragging our heels on what is likely to be a very small sum? I’m not saying we have loads of money to waste but it’s not going to be a large fee they’re asking for.
Otherwise, if this drags on more, is it not unreasonable to think both coaches could resign and just join Garner to us without the compensation?
Agreed, it's unlikely to be substantial but paying for 3 lots of compo is unlikely to appeal to Garner. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sandgaard is trying to persuade him to bring neither or possibly one with Euell obviously still here to be first-team coach to complete the 3 man team.
Someone on Swindon forum is saying Garner has gone and the slowdown is compo for the 2 Scott's. Can't be announced until everything is agreed with all 3.
I wonder if one or both have been offered the manager’s job at Swindon?
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The tension and curiosity arises as Charlton recruit a manager/absolute nobody
From league two
Sums it up for me.
Millwank and palarse are both in a far better position than we are likely to be any time soon.
I couldn't give a flying fuck how successful Sandgaard has been in his medical equipment company but he knows fuck all about running a football club.
Employ some people with knowledge of how to run a football club and listen to what they say because as things stand we are a joke of a club.
Learning from our mistakes my bollox.
I think Andrew Barkley has kind of highlighted though that the opportunity to make money in football is tough (impossible in league one I would suggest) which means that TS wants to watch every pound that is being spent and make sure it is done sensibly. It means he is negotiating everything and isn’t letting anyone else have control.
The positives are that the club will hopefully stop wasting money, hopefully be shopping smartly and be investing in youth which is such a strength of Charlton.
The negatives are, TS is an excellent businessman but he isn’t an expert in English football. He so far has underestimated English football, it’s very difficult to get success on the cheap. When an owner isn’t splashing the cash, the fans are a lot quicker to jump on their back.
TS needs to live and die by his approach, and I believe that his approach really can have positive results. He just needs to have someone telling him what, how and when to communicate with the fans as that is really letting him down.
Then the club/TS doubled down with a rather baffling "official statement" that did little if anything to actually clarify and seemed more like another (also unneeded) jab at the press/journo in question.
It's not the end of the world on its own but it's a bit of a mess and one entirely of their own making frankly. Especially given how long the process seems to be taking - that is probably not entirely due to any single party but whoever wrote/authorised that statement has badly failed to read the metaphorical room IMO.
The statement looked short fuse/angry/panic attack, but it was at least written in English.
Any decent experienced manager getting interviewed may likely be on the phone to Nigel Adkins enquiring him about his time at Charlton.
It won't be positive feedback.
Saying that I've just finished a second bottle of prosecco at Butlins with the Mrs and kids, so could just be nonsense.
Otherwise, if this drags on more, is it not unreasonable to think both coaches could resign and just join Garner to us without the compensation?