I know many are holding on for someone amazing but since RC’s leak I’ve only thought that Ben Garner seems like a smart choice, together with whoever he brings in. Someone used to buying without a huge budget, used to getting his sides to win.
We’re not a top tier club. I’d be really happy to have someone sensible in charge that just gets on with the job. That is not a reference to the owner by the way.
May as well lock up and turn off the lights now till official announcement made..how many more times can we go round in circles looking for "the truth"..this is getting very tiresome...🥱
Rather than this being about TS wanting to be centre of attention in the announcement (as pointed out he wasn’t for Adkins or Jackson) is this about TS feeling it gives him a stronger negotiating position, e.g. for the coaches salaries and Swindon’s compensation?
Perhaps they want to give the impression they have another option as manager if deals can’t be agreed?
It’s got to be resolved soon for Swindon’s season as well as ours.
If it was to give the impression to Swindon Town FC, I would have thought they won't believe it, as there would have been another leak in the same way as this one. The only exception perhaps if another manager was not with a club currently. Even then not likely to make the owner of Swindon not think he is holding an ace.
Maybe, but then it’s also not logical to appoint your son as Director of Analysis.
May as well lock up and turn off the lights now till official announcement made..how many more times can we go round in circles looking for "the truth"..this is getting very tiresome...🥱
“The truth is out there,” says Mulder & Scully
If only, seems more like Mouldy & Sourly at the moment, it has a very bitter taste in the mouth..
Seems to be taking a little while but respect that they want to get it right.
The external reports are irrelevant and don’t contribute to the club being a circus, let’s just wait and see, football fans have serious lack of patience and jump to meltdowns so quick.
Funny that when TS needed the media to get involved right at the beginning he turned to Cawley to release the news that he was active in buying the club & needed a "push" to get it over the line.
Then when fans started tweeting him & contacting him via LinkedIn TS was more than happy to reply and to get news out there.
Funny that when TS needed the media to get involved right at the beginning he turned to Cawley to release the news that he was active in buying the club & needed a "push" to get it over the line.
Then when fans started tweeting him & contacting him via LinkedIn TS was more than happy to reply and to get news out there.
Posting without reading the posts on here, but if the Garner deal was agreed in principal last week as reported, I wouldn't be surprised if Garner tells Sandgaard to shove it now
When the press conference to unveil our shiny new manager happens, TS is going to face some awkward questions
Whilst I appreciate him not wanting to confirm anything not finalised, the social media messaging has undoubtedly soured relations with the press and left anxious fans confused.
Perhaps a formal statement made earlier as the story has developed might have helped ease tensions.
In harbouring ambitions for us to become a Premiership Club, this sort of episode needs to be handled better in future rather than being allowed to spiral out of control.
If I'm taking what they say at face value, that no decision has been made, it's shocking that they've had a month+ and they haven't even decided who they want. Farce.
I think by the end of this week we’ll see the new coaching team, 2/3 new signings and the new kit. Everyone can then moan/praise the relevant announcements, which will be a nice change of pace to people making noise, despite very little actually being known. Roll on the start of the season!
maybe just maybe TS has alternatives lined up and hasn’t decided ?
More likely it’s just that he needs / wants to meet in person before confirming the appointment in case it changes any opinions from the zoom style interviews to date.
But actually this PR game may just be creating a small bit of drama/interest in what otherwise would be a relative non event in the close season and has actually made the choice of manager seem better than it was first perceived.
Faux outrage of amateur communication matters not a jot whilst we are third teir.
On balance I’m more inclined they are just trying to create a bit of noise and PR to big up the confirmation when it comes as otherwise we are barely newsworthy.
I wonder what this will mean for Jason Euell. Am hoping he will be kept on. Need some continuity and someone who understands the club (if anyone does anymore!).
Not sure what that statement was meant to achieve and say what you will about MS, he is apart of the club and can register opinions as for the good Doctor, she has no right to do this so publicly and contradicting RC was bang out of order all because she is TS missus.
An appointment does need to be made soon even if it just puts an end to things and we can get behind the new gaffer.
I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, however I'm pretty sure this all comes down to one of two things.
1) TS has another iron in the fire and is waiting on them accepting/declining before confirming Garner. I am pretty neutral on Garner's appointment, didn't know much about him before he was rumoured to be in with a shout but he will get my full support if he ends up being appointed.
However, I think it's fair to say he wasn't rumoured for many other League One jobs and certainly none the size of Charlton so this is probably the best opportunity he's going to get. I think its also fair to say he's probably not welcome back at Swindon given everything that has gone on so if he does decide he has had enough of this circus and withdraws then he is essentially making himself unemployed. Which makes me think that TS is probably pretty confident that no matter how long he makes Garner wait he will end up taking the job if TS can't secure his preferred candidate.
2) This is a bluff by TS to lower any compensation fees he has to pay Swindon. If we are led to believe the move for Garner involves both him and his backroom team then you are probably looking at a six figure sum in terms of compensation fees for all of them. Probably not huge figures but still a sizeable amount of money.
TS dislike of agents and their fees has been well documented and maybe he feels the same about having to pay compensation and is hoping this tactic will get Swindon to reduce their demands. As mentioned above I've not seen Garner's name touted for many other jobs, and you'd imagine a return to Swindon is off the cards, so perhaps TS is trying a high risk game of poker to make Swindon think he's actually prepared to walk away and leave them with a manager and coaching staff on their payroll who are probably not going be welcomed back with open arms by Swindon and its fans.
I am hugely supportive of TS and will continue to be. However this appointment has turned into a circus and makes us look a completely amateur outfit.
Football will always be full of people wanting management posts, and we are still an attractive club all things considered and there will never be a shortage of people applying for the manager's job.
However, you want to be appointing the best in class and the best in class usually already have a job, and/or will have lots of other offers as well. When you have the ability to pick your job things like the soap opera that this appointment process has become probably factor into your decision making. I'm sure there are a lot of managers out there taking note at this process and thinking it might be worth giving Charlton a miss.
Secondly, deciding to pick a battle with Cawley seems a strange move. I have always found his coverage of Charlton very fair and balanced and I'm not sure trying to publicly do battle with someone responsible for a large majority of your press coverage is the right way to go. I have no doubt he will continue to cover us in a professional manner however there is no good to come from trying to take on the local press. It never, ever works in the long run. If the club had an issue with Cawley reporting this I'm sure an off the record conversation could have been held and the matter put to bed.
There are lots of show-men in all walks of business. Larger than life characters who probably don't have much of a filter and say how it is. I've no real issue with all the baggage that comes with TS in terms of his flamboyant personality, the social media presence, guitar solos etc. It makes for an enjoyable ride and streets ahead of where we were under RD and ESL.
However every appointment of a manager is a big moment in a club's journey, but I think this appointment is really significant in terms of how TS's tenure will be judged. He has a lot Riding on it, as do the club and by extension we as fans. TS has probably made a lot of mistakes however let's not kid ourselves, nobody will be moaning at the end of next season about his music career, or appointment of his son, or lack of a CEO if we end up getting promoted.
The very best operators know when to just crack on and take a decision, and leave the fan-fare for later. This feels like it should have been one of those moments when TS kept his cards to himself, stayed off social media and went about deciding who was going to be the best person to manage this club for next season and then went about getting it over the line. Instead we have what can only be described as a pantomime with TS drip feeding fans information on LinkedIn, his wife having a public spat with the local press and the official site making an official announcement that there is no official announcement.
I actually feel sorry for Garner if it does end up being him as all the attention is going to be on why TS and the club seemed so desperate to avoid confirming it was going to be him, as opposed to the usual publicity and discussion about playing style, track record etc that new managers normally get to bed themselves in.
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A sandwich boy fail?
Seems to be taking a little while but respect that they want to get it right.
The external reports are irrelevant and don’t contribute to the club being a circus, let’s just wait and see, football fans have serious lack of patience and jump to meltdowns so quick.
Then when fans started tweeting him & contacting him via LinkedIn TS was more than happy to reply and to get news out there.
If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
Whilst I appreciate him not wanting to confirm anything not finalised, the social media messaging has undoubtedly soured relations with the press and left anxious fans confused.
Perhaps a formal statement made earlier as the story has developed might have helped ease tensions.
In harbouring ambitions for us to become a Premiership Club, this sort of episode needs to be handled better in future rather than being allowed to spiral out of control.
An appointment does need to be made soon even if it just puts an end to things and we can get behind the new gaffer.
1) TS has another iron in the fire and is waiting on them accepting/declining before confirming Garner. I am pretty neutral on Garner's appointment, didn't know much about him before he was rumoured to be in with a shout but he will get my full support if he ends up being appointed.
However, I think it's fair to say he wasn't rumoured for many other League One jobs and certainly none the size of Charlton so this is probably the best opportunity he's going to get. I think its also fair to say he's probably not welcome back at Swindon given everything that has gone on so if he does decide he has had enough of this circus and withdraws then he is essentially making himself unemployed. Which makes me think that TS is probably pretty confident that no matter how long he makes Garner wait he will end up taking the job if TS can't secure his preferred candidate.
2) This is a bluff by TS to lower any compensation fees he has to pay Swindon. If we are led to believe the move for Garner involves both him and his backroom team then you are probably looking at a six figure sum in terms of compensation fees for all of them. Probably not huge figures but still a sizeable amount of money.
TS dislike of agents and their fees has been well documented and maybe he feels the same about having to pay compensation and is hoping this tactic will get Swindon to reduce their demands. As mentioned above I've not seen Garner's name touted for many other jobs, and you'd imagine a return to Swindon is off the cards, so perhaps TS is trying a high risk game of poker to make Swindon think he's actually prepared to walk away and leave them with a manager and coaching staff on their payroll who are probably not going be welcomed back with open arms by Swindon and its fans.
I am hugely supportive of TS and will continue to be. However this appointment has turned into a circus and makes us look a completely amateur outfit.
Football will always be full of people wanting management posts, and we are still an attractive club all things considered and there will never be a shortage of people applying for the manager's job.
However, you want to be appointing the best in class and the best in class usually already have a job, and/or will have lots of other offers as well. When you have the ability to pick your job things like the soap opera that this appointment process has become probably factor into your decision making. I'm sure there are a lot of managers out there taking note at this process and thinking it might be worth giving Charlton a miss.
Secondly, deciding to pick a battle with Cawley seems a strange move. I have always found his coverage of Charlton very fair and balanced and I'm not sure trying to publicly do battle with someone responsible for a large majority of your press coverage is the right way to go. I have no doubt he will continue to cover us in a professional manner however there is no good to come from trying to take on the local press. It never, ever works in the long run. If the club had an issue with Cawley reporting this I'm sure an off the record conversation could have been held and the matter put to bed.
There are lots of show-men in all walks of business. Larger than life characters who probably don't have much of a filter and say how it is. I've no real issue with all the baggage that comes with TS in terms of his flamboyant personality, the social media presence, guitar solos etc. It makes for an enjoyable ride and streets ahead of where we were under RD and ESL.
However every appointment of a manager is a big moment in a club's journey, but I think this appointment is really significant in terms of how TS's tenure will be judged. He has a lot Riding on it, as do the club and by extension we as fans. TS has probably made a lot of mistakes however let's not kid ourselves, nobody will be moaning at the end of next season about his music career, or appointment of his son, or lack of a CEO if we end up getting promoted.
The very best operators know when to just crack on and take a decision, and leave the fan-fare for later. This feels like it should have been one of those moments when TS kept his cards to himself, stayed off social media and went about deciding who was going to be the best person to manage this club for next season and then went about getting it over the line. Instead we have what can only be described as a pantomime with TS drip feeding fans information on LinkedIn, his wife having a public spat with the local press and the official site making an official announcement that there is no official announcement.
I actually feel sorry for Garner if it does end up being him as all the attention is going to be on why TS and the club seemed so desperate to avoid confirming it was going to be him, as opposed to the usual publicity and discussion about playing style, track record etc that new managers normally get to bed themselves in.
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