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Post-match Thread: Accrington v Charlton | July 30, 2022
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I nearly wrote the new Charlie Wright.Oggy Red said:
The new Sir Charlie Wright?ShootersHillGuru said:I just get the feeling that our new custodian Wollacutt might have the look of attaining a bit of a cult status. He’s going to pull of some miraculous saves over the season and due to our defensive strategy I think might be involved in a few howlers. I was definitely impressed today.
PS: Kiddoes, ask your Grandad.
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Bloke in the white shirt runs on the pitch, is that now a life ban ?Callumcafc said:1 -
We drew at Accrington in 18/19!! - Calm downRaplhMilne said:Don’t care if it’s first, 21st or last game of season, failing to see the game out for 3pts is a poor show. If Derby and Sheff Weds turn up we will be chasing again after 3 games. All good things nullified by the bad = same old Charlton. A draw at Accrington is not top six result.0 -
Offenders to receive automatic club ban under new Premier League & EFL measures. Pitch invaders at Premier League and English Football League matches will receive an automatic club ban under new measures to tackle fan behaviour.charltonbob said:
Bloke in the white shirt runs on the pitch, is that now a life ban ?Callumcafc said:
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A point away from home is always good especially if we manage to win at home.3
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I wasn’t there today so appreciate all the posts so far. The most telling thing for me based on what I could pick up today was at 1-1 Garner took Jayisemi off and threw Leaburn on. That’s quite bold and almost paid off. We may have enough to compete this season, but I don’t think we will personally, but I think the fact Garner went for Leaburn at this stage for Jayisemi means we may give it a go this season, and if ultimately we aren’t good enough to go up, we want a manager that will give it a go and try to win games.8
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There was a structure to our play today, but I think we fell short on energy in midfield in the second half and allowed them to take the initiative. For me this was a big improvement on the last couple of seasons where under Adkins and then JJ we were often rudderless. I’m hopeful that Garner can get in those missing jigsaw pieces because it seems to me were tantalisingly close to looking very good.5
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Already have an emerging philosophy and identity to how this team will play, which I never once saw in 46 games last season28
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I'll have to remember that.charltonbob said:
Bloke in the white shirt runs on the pitch, is that now a life ban ?Callumcafc said:1 -
Agree with that. 1st game of the season is probably the worst to judge where we’ll be next May. I think that was a positive result made to look a lot worse because of the final minute or so. Some results are just unfortunate, let’s give it a couple of months before we start analysing where it’s going wrong (or right) on the pitch.Rothko said:Already have an emerging philosophy and identity to how this team will play, which I never once saw in 46 games last season1 - Sponsored links:
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Was funny at the end of the game. Some muppet went down the front to abuse Stockley and let rip until Stockley decided to come over to him. The bloke then ran off as quick as he could. Totally hilarious.14
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🍒redbuttle said:Was funny at the end of the game. Some muppet went down the front to abuse Stockley and let rip until Stockley decided to come over to him. The bloke then ran off as quick as he could. Totally hilarious.0 -
We've recruited a 4th division manager and a bunch of 4th division players to add to our very average 3rd division leftovers from last season.
We shouldn't really expect much more than we got today, realistically. There will need to be some real class added in August to change that.21 -
RaplhMilne said:Don’t care if it’s first, 21st or last game of season, failing to see the game out for 3pts is a poor show. If Derby and Sheff Weds turn up we will be chasing again after 3 games. All good things nullified by the bad = same old Charlton. A draw at Accrington is not top six result.
The 1st game is not a clear picture of how the season will end up.
Plenty of times when we've won the 1st game and got relegated in the same season.
We started slow in the promotion 2018/19 season. Lost away at Sunderland and was a bit patchy.2 -
I am tired of people saying they see game plan. Give 2 or 3 months for the players to get better at it. That is pretty much saying that they have no chance of a top6 posistion because we have badly recruited again.4
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This is a very important point. If TS has spent big and bought 5-6 Championship players that were prepared to drop down for big wages, I could see expectations being high. As it is, I think the muted hope of success is likely to result in most being happy and surprised with a decent run, more than expectant.Southbank said:We've recruited a 4th division manager and a bunch of 4th division players to add to our very average 3rd division leftovers from last season.
We shouldn't really expect much more than we got today, realistically. There will need to be some real class added in August to change that.4 -
Gutted to draw that after what should have been a late winner from Miles on his debut - especially as I had money on us to win and him to score.
On the positives it's clear see what Garner is looking to do. We'll definitely have an identity this season, the question is whether it's enough to genuinely challenge for the top 6.
It was great to see us score two well worked goals - there are early signs we'll be more similar to Bowyer's team in that we're set up with the aim of creating good quality chances for the team rather than providing service for specific players. The latter is what we saw under Jackson's system, with the team much more focused on getting goals from the front two. For that reason I don't think scoring will be as big an issue as many fear. I'm sure we'll add at least one more attacking player before the window closes too which should only help.
It's been said Garner's Swindon team didn't put in many high crosses but we put in a few today, including Leaburn's goal and one Stockley should have scored from. Hopefully that's adapting to Stockley and Leaburn's strengths rather than something we'll be moving away from. I said
Sess had a good debut, looking forward to seeing more of him. Along with Clare, Egbo and Clayden we should have full backs with the legs and desire to get up and down the pitch. It's a much needed change from Gunter, Matthews, Purrington and Souare last season.
Negatives were the amount of chances Accrington created. Wollacott kept us in it with some important saves. I never felt completely comfortable with our defending and playing out from the back, I expect the two or three Garner is after includes a centre back to give us four senior players in that position. Second half Accrington got on top, while we've got some good options in central midfield but it might take time to find the best combination. At times Accrington seemed to be first to every ball, that's something for us to work on.
Derby and Wednesday will be interesting, they'll be more possession orientated than Accrington and we may find more space for counter attacks which should suit CBT more than today did. I'm glad not every game will be like today.16 -
Had to delete original post ...hard to tell if people are being serious0
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Defensively that was a horror show today, Woolacott had a spectacular game and kept us in it. Fraser was a deciding factor until he tired, DJ and CBT and the midfielders have to get closer to Stockley.
Miles Leaburn was class, looked at home immediately and I'm so happy for him he got the goal and our fans being able to shout LEEEEEABUUUUUURN again6 -
(Not Mag. Sorry.)SDAddick said:People said we need a former player who knows the club to manage us but it must be said, Garner has fully embraced the disappointment of being a Charlton coach.
Seriously though, a lot of good, a lot of things to improve. There were some really good stretches in the first half, and some really poor ones in the second. And that's to be expected from a new manager who is systems based trying to instill a way of playing on a group of players who largely haven't played that way before.
The last time we had a systems manager was Robinson. His first full season we started like a house on fire, but that was in large part due to individual quality of players like Magennis, Fosu, Holmes, Clarke, and JFC.First match I haven’t been able to watch live for some time, due to a wedding.Had a quick look at the thread at half time. Then when things were sounding sticky early in the second half I dipped out until 90 mins. Wasn’t too surprised to see Accy had equalised, then had the euphoria of what I thought was the Leaburn winner.Was gutted to hear about the equaliser, but had us down for a 2-1 defeat, so overall I’m reasonably happy.Football is a results game, and it’s an improvement on last season’s; sounds like there were some positives from the game, some good individual performances , and Miles nearly made himself a hero on his full debut.They key now is to learn from the game and improve areas that need work, something we haven’t done with our last four managers, all of whom were quite stubborn.A defeat today and we’d be in meltdown mode probably, so at least we’ve dodged that bullet.1 - Sponsored links:
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It would never happen in a 'Roy of the Rovers' script.It would have stayed at 2-1, Instead it went to 'Cheerful Charlie at Charlton'.2-2. You just gotta cringe and grin.Been doin' it for yearsMrOneLung said:No matter how undeserving a 2-1 win would have been, to not be able to see out last 90 seconds or so is criminal.0 -
They might have done without their poor start to the season when they were short of players.killerandflash said:Swindon last season were top of all the attacking stats, but didn't get automatic promotion due to defensive frailties. Today's game suggests more of the same.0 -
Absolute killer journey. Currently sitting in a cab back to Falconwood from Euston3
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They didn't have a poor start to the season. They finished August in much the same position as they finished the seasonJamesSeed said:
They might have done without their poor start to the season when they were short of players.killerandflash said:Swindon last season were top of all the attacking stats, but didn't get automatic promotion due to defensive frailties. Today's game suggests more of the same.1 -
I’ve said it before about this squad…..mentally weak… score what should have been the late winner And give up an equaliser 1 minute later…New season….new manager…. Same old shit0
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Some just mark the players if they like them rather than the performancesoapboxsam said:Just looked at the scores on the doors and so many people have watched different matches. Dobson gets an 8 and a 4 !
Confused how its being said George Dobson doesn't fit a system when he is a holding midfielder ? If you have attacking full backs and Morgan and Fraser who look to support the attacking options then someone needs to protect Inniss and O'Connell.8 -
Launch ball into the box fight for second ball and shoot on sight. Efforts include those that hit the stand roof. Ironically though their goals came from neat wing play not their hallmark hoof ball.Ormiston_Addick said:
So, with 20% less possession Stanley had nearly twice as many efforts on goal that we did!LoOkOuT said:
Not sure what to make of that….2 -
CBT was frustrating. He started the game and was unplayable. Playing on the left he can cut in and shoot but his end product needs work. Are we addressing this because surely it is worth it. I have seen he can shoot on you tube so why can't he for us? Also whatever Accrington did to solve the problems he was posing in the second half seemed to work. Or did he just tire?
The defence has new players so we have to see if it can improve simply through games. I want to see Inniss more of an offensive threat from set pieces as we know he can do this. Maybe Accrington are not the right team for this to happen.
In the second half Accrington upped their intensity and were winning more second balls. This has irritated me about us for a few seasons. Why do we not win more?
This new system is apparently an attacking one we are told so we should expect not to have half the shots of our opponents. Another thing to work on.
It is a big positive that Leaburn came on and looked so good. I got a bit emotional I must admit as his dad was one of my all time favourites. I was thinking how proud Carlo would be feeling at that moment he scored and there was a cross in he nearly got on the end of before that. It is still important the lad feels no pressure of expectation.1 -
Hope you got home ok as with the others. I had to go to Lancaster and loads cancelled going the other way' but not as bad as you.WSS said:
Currently at CreweChippycafc said:On a side note. Hope everybody got home ot making their way home from.Preston. Lots of cancelled trains and other fans going back to London.0 -
And I think we should all acknowledge that Clare is a defender who can play in midfield and not the other way round now. And he is a bloody good one too.2
