if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
Swindon last season were top of all the attacking stats, but didn't get automatic promotion due to defensive frailties. Today's game suggests more of the same.
Agree I wasn't being negative when the majority were going ape about the stats but when you studied all the stats, Swindon only won 9 out of 23 home games and conceded the most goals out of the top 10 in League 2.
I can only look at football one way and that is analytically. Stockley will be decent in laying the ball off but it will take away from his play in the box, plus Stockley is better in a two. Check out Jayden's record in a 2 or 3. We will be the draw specialists and you only get 1 point.
I get the impression from some people's comments on here that they're almost happy we conceded in the last seconds as it gives them the ammo to bitch about everything. It's the first game of the season FFS. New manager, players, system. Just give it a few more games before writing off the season at least.
The idea that any Charlton supporter is happy that after Miles Leaburn scores a 94 minute potential match winning goal debut goal & are happy that Accrington equalise a minute later - so that they can score a few points on Charlton Life is a very misguided interpretation. No Charlton supporter would be happy about that.
After sleeping on yesterdays match I conclude that to make top six we need a striker, a winger to start ahead of DJ and a left CB. The others are very promising. We’re going to score some worldy goals and concede some Comedy Central goals too. To get into the playoffs or better you need to find consistency and I’m not quite convinced having a Charlton / Garner style is quite the same thing. What happens between now and the end of August will I think define the season. At this point we look to me promising but too fragile.
After sleeping on yesterdays match I conclude that to make top six we need a striker, a winger to start ahead of DJ and a left CB. The others are very promising. We’re going to score some worldy goals and concede some Comedy Central goals too. To get into the playoffs or better you need to find consistency and I’m not quite convinced having a Charlton / Garner style is quite the same thing. What happens between now and the end of August will I think define the season. At this point we look to me promising but too fragile.
I do not think Stockley will be taken out of the side and in many games this season will shine with goals. I do think another quicker striker that can run against tired legs, Chuks marauding at defenders to create more space from 70 mins plus most games would be really useful.
I think our back line will tighten up when they get to know one another better. All of the ingredients are there…
I liked a lot about yesterday and in the first half, saw some football from us which felt above league one standard, which was really encouraging.
I think getting the correct wide forward in will make a big positive difference over an out and out striker personally. Also agree that we need another left sided defender. Hopefully that can get done and then the squad will be in good shape as it seems likely we'll see one or two leave.
We've recruited a 4th division manager and a bunch of 4th division players to add to our very average 3rd division leftovers from last season. We shouldn't really expect much more than we got today, realistically. There will need to be some real class added in August to change that.
As people have said, it was a game of two halves. Disappointed that we could hold on but that’s football. Was pleased with the way we passed the ball and kept possession and we’re not gonna play teams like AS every week. Nor are we gonna play in stadia as small as the Wham stadium, on what appears to be a small pitch, with only a couple of thousand home fans.
I see the early shoots of a recovery. Agree that we were a mediocre team last year and our position in the league justified that. But let’s not forget, those bang average players showed some promotion winning form to drag us up the table after such a shocking start under Adkins. Most of those players are still with us and Albie Morgan looks a different player. Gilbey, in Pre Season, looked a different player. These are two players that I was calling for to go. But now I’m happy for them to stay and I’m surprised Gilbey didn’t get on the pitch yesterday.
Last season we were so inconsistent, it was unbelievable. Consistency is the key and if Garner can get us playing his way consistently, then I think we’ll be there or there abouts at the end of the season - play offs, that is. Don’t think we’re good enough to go up automatically.
Calling it now, I think Miles Leaburn will be our top scorer this season
First game of the season with a new manager and a new system, at arguably one of the toughest places in League One. If memory serves me right we got done last year really bad so I see this as progress and all in all a good point on the road.
Yes they had more shots and Wollacott made two great saves, but we created good chances as well. Stockley header in the second half should always be on target and it is game over. And what a great cross from Morgan.
Jury out on O'Connell for me, thought he was our weakest link both building up and defensively. Sessegnon can be some player for us. And happy with our midfielders yesterday bar Dobson who was uncharacteristacally poor on the ball.
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
Our keeper may not have come and taken a clean cross (don't recall he did), but he did more than McG, punching clear and did enough to put off their offensive players. I was pleased with him and he looks an improvement on ONE game.
If we are going to play the high press the players have to be able to. The jury has to be out on that surely. Also, O'Connell needs to be better than that over the next few games.
Having been to the game yesterday and digested everything, I would say I'm worried and excited in equal measures about the coming season. The first thing I'd say is this playing out of the back thing will be a work in progress and if it is something we want to do long term, we are not going master it straight away and think Garner probably knows we don't have the personal especially at he back to do it, so we will need to just hoof it long when needed, to avoid what happened to Oxford at Derby yesterday. They had a lot of joy out wide especially Whalley in the second half there seemed to be too much space between our winger and full backs and they exploited that a lot in the second half, not sure what the answer to that is to be honest. The plus side of this is we did turn defence into attack really nicely at times with the like Sess running with the ball and some nice cross field passed from the likes Fraser and Morgan, which will inevitably lead to lots of chances and despite what people are saying about Stockley I think once he gets used to this way of playing he will adapt and start smashing them in.
So it seems Accy didn't miss Colby Bishop as they still managed to score 2 against us & then said striker scored on his debut for Pompey (from the highlights it looked to me like he got 2 but he's only been credited with one.
So currently my Bishop/Piggott v Stockley/Aneke is 1-0.
So it seems Accy didn't miss Colby Bishop as they still managed to score 2 against us & then said striker scored on his debut for Pompey (from the highlights it looked to me like he got 2 but he's only been credited with one.
So currently my Bishop/Piggott v Stockley/Aneke is 1-0.
Didn’t score enough goals to win though did they Golfie?
Or does that criticism you aimed at us yesterday not apply to them?
So it seems Accy didn't miss Colby Bishop as they still managed to score 2 against us & then said striker scored on his debut for Pompey (from the highlights it looked to me like he got 2 but he's only been credited with one.
So currently my Bishop/Piggott v Stockley/Aneke is 1-0.
Didn’t score enough goals to win though did they Golfie?
Or does that criticism you aimed at us yesterday not apply to them?
Not to mention our own striker making his debut also scored.
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
So it seems Accy didn't miss Colby Bishop as they still managed to score 2 against us & then said striker scored on his debut for Pompey (from the highlights it looked to me like he got 2 but he's only been credited with one.
So currently my Bishop/Piggott v Stockley/Aneke is 1-0.
Didn’t score enough goals to win though did they Golfie?
Or does that criticism you aimed at us yesterday not apply to them?
Not to mention our own striker making his debut also scored.
Don't be so mean spirited as to deny Golfie his "So stick that in your hat and smoke it" moment 😎
My random thoughts about yesterday are: Woolacott saved a low shot heading for just inside his right hand post in the first half, which was typical of the kind of goal McGillavray conceded several times last season. Woolacott earned us a point yesterday. When behind in the second half Accrington upped their shithousery (after having done a number on Sean Clare in the first half) but it didn’t work. The big bloke up front was basically mashed by Innes, the fella will know he has been in a game (he of the red head bandage), and it was Accrington who got all the bookings, none of our players getting carded in a tough game like that was a definite positive. It sounds weird (and I celebrated as much as anybody) but in a way Miles Leaburn equalised before Accrington got their winner…which I thought might be coming. However we definitely should have won that, and the draw is two precious points dropped and it heaps pressure on the Derby County game.
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Your right ofcourse it didnt happen. But it would have done if TS hadnt have popped up on the scene and then taken the dodgy mob on in court. Or do you not think that the case ? I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Your right ofcourse it didnt happen. But it would have done if TS hadnt have popped up on the scene and then taken the dodgy mob on in court. Or do you not think that the case ? I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
That’s not what I’ve said and it’s not relevant to my point, either. I’m simply saying that we didn’t start from scratch in 2020 and it’s not an explanation for performance on the pitch in 2022.
“TS was great in 2020” has nothing to do with “we shouldn’t expect to beat Accrington in 2022”.
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Your right ofcourse it didnt happen. But it would have done if TS hadnt have popped up on the scene and then taken the dodgy mob on in court. Or do you not think that the case ? I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
That’s not what I’ve said and it’s not relevant to my point, either. I’m simply saying that we didn’t start from scratch in 2020 and it’s not an explanation for performance on the pitch in 2022.
“TS was great in 2020” has nothing to do with “we shouldn’t expect to beat Accrington in 2022”.
It is relevant though imo. You know more than most what state the club was in. 2 years is a long time in the life of a supporter but isnt if you are trying to restructure and "fix" a badly run business. The guy came in knowing nothing about football or running a club, stubbornly took on the incumbent parasites and got rid of them and imo saving the club from oblivion (unless you know different). He has put up large amounts of his money to try and stabilise things. Yes he has made alot of mistakes and I'm sure there will be more but on the whole I honestly think we are a better club today than we have been for a number of years. At the end of the day it is a results business and if progress up the leagues doesnt happen then I'm sure he will move on. My point is that we should be aware that there are alot of worse options as owners out there. I hope he gets the time to learn from his mistakes and we all reap the rewards personally
I know its only the first game of the season, but no 6 (free transfer from Rochdale) doesn't instill me with confidence, what's wrong with Lavelle? Grateful for a draw at Accrington shows how low we have sunk!
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Your right ofcourse it didnt happen. But it would have done if TS hadnt have popped up on the scene and then taken the dodgy mob on in court. Or do you not think that the case ? I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
That’s not what I’ve said and it’s not relevant to my point, either. I’m simply saying that we didn’t start from scratch in 2020 and it’s not an explanation for performance on the pitch in 2022.
“TS was great in 2020” has nothing to do with “we shouldn’t expect to beat Accrington in 2022”.
Two of the three teams promoted to the championship last season didn’t beat Accrington Stanley at home last season either. One of those being Sunderland who I think we can also all agree the championship is probably their natural level.
Another team I think we can also agree the championship is probably their natural level, Wigan, did beat Accrington at home this year, but didn’t the previous season.
Why this entitled view that just because we should be a better and bigger club we should automatically be turning up and teams will roll over. From the Championship down to the National League these days there’s a lot of well coached and well drilled teams and it’s just not that simply as that gap is not that wide no matter how good your team is.
We will see as this season goes on whether that draw was a good result or not. My suspicion is it will.
if the game had ended 1-1 everyone would have said it’s a good point … late goals happen it don’t change the performance of the last 95 mins .
1-1 or 2-2 makes no difference to me but we should never settle for a point at somewhere like Accrington. Their style of play may not suit us but at the end of the day they are a bang average league one side. If we draw against Derby next Saturday some on here will probably still be saying it's not a bad result. In reality if we fail to beat Derby next Saturday we will either be 4 or 5 points off the top teams after just 2 games. If we are serious about promotion we need to be winning matches and not saying things like a draw is a good result because it isn't.
Seen a few similar comments along these lines. Against the top 6 last year Accrington at home had 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.
I find it slightly disrespectful, and indicative of how people underestimate this league, when they for some reason feel we should easily be turning competitive and well managed sides like Accrington aside away from home.
Plenty feel entitled because of our history, fanbase and stadium, seeing Championship or better as our natural level.
Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Your right ofcourse it didnt happen. But it would have done if TS hadnt have popped up on the scene and then taken the dodgy mob on in court. Or do you not think that the case ? I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
That’s not what I’ve said and it’s not relevant to my point, either. I’m simply saying that we didn’t start from scratch in 2020 and it’s not an explanation for performance on the pitch in 2022.
“TS was great in 2020” has nothing to do with “we shouldn’t expect to beat Accrington in 2022”.
Two of the three teams promoted to the championship last season didn’t beat Accrington Stanley at home last season either. One of those being Sunderland who I think we can also all agree the championship is probably their natural level.
Another team I think we can agree the championship is probably their natural level, Wigan, did beat Accrington at home this year, but didn’t the previous season.
Why this entitled view that just because we should be a better and bigger club we should automatically be turning up and teams will roll over. From the Championship down to the National League these days there’s a lot of well coached and well drilled teams and it’s just not that simply as that gap is not that wide no matter how good your team is.
We will see as this season goes on whether that draw was a good result or not. My suspicion is it will.
Christ imagine how boring Football would be if games were won on paper.
Surely one of the most attractive aspects of the Sport, is the fact that anyone can beat anyone on their day - Unless its Charlton vs Millwall of course.
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Of course we should be striving to get back there, but we're only two years on from oblivion and it's taking more time than we'd like.
Fortunately the players don't disrespect the opposition as some fans do. They know that all the Club's in L1 are there because that is where they deserve to be.
As with cricket when you don't know what a good score is until both sides have batted, who knows the value of an away point at Accrington now? No one else has played them yet, so you can't conclude anything.
I know one thing, for those saying "same old", after the second half performance, a point was fair and we might easily have lost, as we have there in the past, so not quite the same.
Agree
I wasn't being negative when the majority were going ape about the stats but when you studied all the stats, Swindon only won 9 out of 23 home games and conceded the most goals out of the top 10 in League 2.
I can only look at football one way and that is analytically. Stockley will be decent in laying the ball off but it will take away from his play in the box, plus Stockley is better in a two. Check out Jayden's record in a 2 or 3.
We will be the draw specialists and you only get 1 point.
I think our back line will tighten up when they get to know one another better. All of the ingredients are there…
I liked a lot about yesterday and in the first half, saw some football from us which felt above league one standard, which was really encouraging.
bring on Derby … C’mon you Addicks
Yes they had more shots and Wollacott made two great saves, but we created good chances as well. Stockley header in the second half should always be on target and it is game over. And what a great cross from Morgan.
Jury out on O'Connell for me, thought he was our weakest link both building up and defensively. Sessegnon can be some player for us. And happy with our midfielders yesterday bar Dobson who was uncharacteristacally poor on the ball.
I was pleased with him and he looks an improvement on ONE game.
We have a number of captains (present and from their past club) now in the team now, so allowed some expect leadership in game management.
So currently my Bishop/Piggott v Stockley/Aneke is 1-0.
I don't know the details as yet.
Or does that criticism you aimed at us yesterday not apply to them?
We’re not “only two years on from oblivion”, since the calamity in question never occurred. We are two years on from a season in the Championship and as disturbing as the events of 2020 were we emerged from them a functioning football club with established staff in place, including football management.
The Championship is our natural level and being in L1 is always underperformance. I have a lot of respect for Accrington but as with a number of other clubs in the division our inability to outperform them most of the time is evidence of failure or, if you like, bad value for money.
Woolacott saved a low shot heading for just inside his right hand post in the first half, which was typical of the kind of goal McGillavray conceded several times last season. Woolacott earned us a point yesterday.
When behind in the second half Accrington upped their shithousery (after having done a number on Sean Clare in the first half) but it didn’t work. The big bloke up front was basically mashed by Innes, the fella will know he has been in a game (he of the red head bandage), and it was Accrington who got all the bookings, none of our players getting carded in a tough game like that was a definite positive.
It sounds weird (and I celebrated as much as anybody) but in a way Miles Leaburn equalised before Accrington got their winner…which I thought might be coming.
However we definitely should have won that, and the draw is two precious points dropped and it heaps pressure on the Derby County game.
I'm fully expecting you to answer saying that nobody can know what would have happened without the intervention from TS but I'm pretty sure you are all too aware there wasnt anyone else likely to step in a stop the crooks literally bleeding the club dry. To say anything else is a mystery to me mate
“TS was great in 2020” has nothing to do with “we shouldn’t expect to beat Accrington in 2022”.
I hope he gets the time to learn from his mistakes and we all reap the rewards personally
Another team I think we can also agree the championship is probably their natural level, Wigan, did beat Accrington at home this year, but didn’t the previous season.
Why this entitled view that just because we should be a better and bigger club we should automatically be turning up and teams will roll over. From the Championship down to the National League these days there’s a lot of well coached and well drilled teams and it’s just not that simply as that gap is not that wide no matter how good your team is.
We will see as this season goes on whether that draw was a good result or not. My suspicion is it will.
Surely one of the most attractive aspects of the Sport, is the fact that anyone can beat anyone on their day - Unless its Charlton vs Millwall of course.