Not really relevant but in women's football, man can sometimes be gender neutral eg when playing "man on".
In Woman's football, Jill Scott the retired England Euro winner and 'Queen of the Jungle' said "man on" is still said as it's the quickest way to announce an opposition player is nearby.
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?
Player of the match is as accurate description of the title as man of the match so I don't care. Having said that, home player of the match is probably the most accurate term in most cases unless decided on by a neutral. It doesn't really bother me in the slightest.
Over the past few months I have started to see gender neutral terms creeping into football. Our Comms team has succumbed to this trend (seen on Sky). They are calling Lucas Ness "Player of the Match".
This is wrong. He is the "Man of the Match". As would any of our women's team be called "Woman of the Match".
Is nothing sacred any more? Views welcome. Why is the term "Man of the Match" erased?
I agree. It's dreadful that no-one is allowed to use the term "Man of the Match" any more. It's just so terribly confusing for those people who find out who the best player in a match is, but have a desperate and unfulfilled need to work out what gender they are.
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
The actual women’s team were against it.
Has Lucas Ness indicated his unhappiness with his award?
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
The actual women’s team were against it.
Has Lucas Ness indicated his unhappiness with his award?
He's unlikely to tbh. Anyone doing so would more than likely get ripped apart just like the op on this thread.
or just compromise. I will still use the term man or woman player of the match in single sex games those that feel uncomfortable doing so can use the term player of the match. So the abreviation can be M/P O T M.
The word ‘woke’ means anti racist. To be anti woke is to be pro racism. The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
I think if we were to be accurate about this we would need to say that in its original definition the word "woke" meant anti -racist back in the 1930's and related most specifically to racism against African - American people. I don't think it reasonable to say that's how the word is defined in 2023 Britain by many people. Its pejorative meaning perhaps could be described as "woke"- meaning people who define most things through the lens of identity politics.
The way out of this is to stick with ‘Man of the Match’ but for women’s football have ‘Man of the Match (female)’. Essentially what the Golden Ball people did with their award.
Over the past few months I have started to see gender neutral terms creeping into football. Our Comms team has succumbed to this trend (seen on Sky). They are calling Lucas Ness "Player of the Match".
This is wrong. He is the "Man of the Match". As would any of our women's team be called "Woman of the Match".
Is nothing sacred any more? Views welcome. Why is the term "Man of the Match" erased?
The word ‘woke’ means anti racist. To be anti woke is to be pro racism. The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
I think if we were to be accurate about this we would need to say that in its original definition the word "woke" meant anti -racist back in the 1930's and related most specifically to racism against African - American people. I don't think it reasonable to say that's how the word is defined in 2023 Britain by many people. Its pejorative meaning perhaps could be described as "woke"- meaning people who define most things through the lens of identity politics.
This thread is about the use of language, and we know some definitions can be organic and change over time. That is the discussion regarding ‘woke’. Unless there was some kind of survey or whatever as to what people mean by the term nowadays it is fluid.
This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?
It's closer than some of you boomers think
What if there's a player on your men's team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being referred to as playing for the men's team?
What if there's a player on your women's team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being referred to as playing for the women's team?
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In Woman's football, Jill Scott the retired England Euro winner and 'Queen of the Jungle' said "man on" is still said as it's the quickest way to announce an opposition player is nearby.
"She on" has a different meaning.
If you see it as an art form and not sport Seth, you would see the ethereal qualities.
The peg on the nose can spoil for some !
Seeing Dolphins doing synchronised swimming in Weymouth and Portland is a visual delight.
No ideal of the gender of Dolphins taking part but pleased they didn't have pegs on their nose.
I refer you to my answer to Redman.
It's quick to say and agree, you hear it said at woman's and girls matches at all levels.
It's closer than some of you boomers think
one of the rain filled potholes
1st World problem.
Happy enough with "Player of the Match", don't really see how it's going to change any lives for the worse.
That is the discussion regarding ‘woke’. Unless there was some kind of survey or whatever as to what people mean by the term nowadays it is fluid.
I think 'Organism of The Match' gets us closer to where we need to be.
What if there's a player on your women's team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being referred to as playing for the women's team?
Two wrongs and all that.