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Man of the Match term now discarded?

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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Maybe it is good to do Synchronised Swimming, but I find it boring to watch.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    redman said:
    Not really relevant but in women's football, man can sometimes be gender neutral eg when playing "man on". 

    In Woman's football, Jill Scott the retired England Euro winner and 'Queen of the Jungle' said "man on" is still said as it's the quickest way to announce an opposition player is nearby.

    "She on" has a different meaning.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited January 2023
    seth plum said:
    Maybe it is good to do Synchronised Swimming, but I find it boring to watch.

    If you see it as an art form and not sport Seth, you would see the ethereal qualities.

    The peg on the nose can spoil for some !

    Seeing Dolphins doing synchronised swimming in Weymouth and Portland is a visual delight.

    No ideal of the gender of Dolphins taking part but pleased they didn't have pegs on their nose.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited January 2023
    cafc999 said:
    Watched Dartford Women's play a few weeks ago and every player on the pitch used the term "Man on". 1st World problem 

    I refer you to my answer to Redman.
    It's quick to say and agree, you hear it said at woman's and girls matches at all levels.
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,458
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,270
    JaShea99 said:
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
    What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?

    It's closer than some of you boomers think
  • charlton4ever
    charlton4ever Posts: 1,716
    edited January 2023
    seth plum said:
    Maybe it is good to do Synchronised Swimming, but I find it boring to watch.
    @seth plum right I am digging out some  speedos and we can give it a go in
    one of the rain filled potholes 
  • scruffle
    scruffle Posts: 2,282
    One step away from MVP for each game instead!!
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    edited January 2023
    soapboxsam said:
    cafc999 said:
    Watched Dartford Women's play a few weeks ago and every player on the pitch used the term "Man on". 1st World problem 

    I refer you to my answer to Redman.
    It's quick to say and agree, you hear it said at woman's and girls matches at all levels.
    Man of the match, player of the match, MVP, etc, etc. Who really cares?

    1st World problem. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,490
    Well we don't call it "man of the season" do we? 
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    Player of the match is as accurate description of the title as man of the match so I don't care. Having said that, home player of the match is probably the most accurate term in most cases unless decided on by a neutral. It doesn't really bother me in the slightest. 
  • ProperCharlton
    ProperCharlton Posts: 2,254
    Does it really matter? 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,338
    Doomer Jon said:
    Over the past few months I have started to see  gender neutral terms creeping into football. Our Comms team has succumbed to this trend (seen on Sky).  They are calling Lucas Ness "Player of the Match".

    This is wrong. He is the "Man of the Match". As would any of our women's team be called "Woman of the Match". 

    Is nothing sacred any more? Views welcome. Why is the term "Man of the Match" erased?

    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/ness-your-player-match-v-barnsley
    I agree.  It's dreadful that no-one is allowed to use the term "Man of the Match" any more.  It's just so terribly confusing for those people who find out who the best player in a match is, but have a desperate and unfulfilled need to work out what gender they are. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,338
    Maybe take it up at the next Man Of The Year dinner 
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    JaShea99 said:
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
    The actual women’s team were against it. 

    Has Lucas Ness indicated his unhappiness with his award?
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    sam3110 said:
    JaShea99 said:
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
    What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?

    It's closer than some of you boomers think
    "Subjected to" 😆😆😆
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    Super_Eddie_Youds said:
    JaShea99 said:
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
    The actual women’s team were against it. 

    Has Lucas Ness indicated his unhappiness with his award?
    He's unlikely to tbh. Anyone doing so would more than likely get ripped apart just like the op on this thread.


  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,973
    or just compromise. I will still use the term man or woman player of the match in single sex games those that feel uncomfortable doing so can use the term player of the match. So the abreviation can be  M/P O T M.
  • Jonniesta
    Jonniesta Posts: 1,153
    Go back to the Bristol Rovers match and the team solved this problem by all being so bad none of them deserved the title!

    Happy enough with "Player of the Match", don't really see how it's going to change any lives for the worse. 
  • holyjo
    holyjo Posts: 1,326
    seth plum said:
    The word ‘woke’ means anti racist.
    To be anti woke is to be pro racism.
    The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
    I think if we were to be accurate  about this we would need to say that in its original definition the word "woke" meant anti -racist back in the 1930's and related most specifically to racism against African - American people. I don't think it reasonable to say that's how the word is defined in 2023 Britain by many people. Its pejorative meaning perhaps could be described as "woke"- meaning people who define most things through the lens of identity politics.  
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  • Yorkshireaddick
    Yorkshireaddick Posts: 511
    The way out of this is to stick with ‘Man of the Match’ but for women’s football have ‘Man of the Match (female)’. Essentially what the Golden Ball people did with their award.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    Wouldn't ‘Person of The Match’ cover all bases.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,736
    Doomer Jon said:
    Over the past few months I have started to see  gender neutral terms creeping into football. Our Comms team has succumbed to this trend (seen on Sky).  They are calling Lucas Ness "Player of the Match".

    This is wrong. He is the "Man of the Match". As would any of our women's team be called "Woman of the Match". 

    Is nothing sacred any more? Views welcome. Why is the term "Man of the Match" erased?

    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/ness-your-player-match-v-barnsley
    Snowflake.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    holyjo said:
    seth plum said:
    The word ‘woke’ means anti racist.
    To be anti woke is to be pro racism.
    The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
    I think if we were to be accurate  about this we would need to say that in its original definition the word "woke" meant anti -racist back in the 1930's and related most specifically to racism against African - American people. I don't think it reasonable to say that's how the word is defined in 2023 Britain by many people. Its pejorative meaning perhaps could be described as "woke"- meaning people who define most things through the lens of identity politics.  
    This thread is about the use of language, and we know some definitions can be organic and change over time.
    That is the discussion regarding ‘woke’. Unless there was some kind of survey or whatever as to what people mean by the term nowadays it is fluid.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Man, this thread is hilarious.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    edited January 2023
    LargeAddick said:
    Wouldn't ‘Person of The Match’ cover all bases.
    Only if the recipient of the accolade identified as a 'Person'.

    I think 'Organism of The Match' gets us closer to where we need to be.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    SuedeAdidas said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Wouldn't ‘Person of The Match’ cover all bases.
    Only if the recipient of the accolade identified as a 'Person'.

    I think 'Organism of The Match' gets us closer to where we need to be.
    Orgasm of The Match 
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    sam3110 said:
    JaShea99 said:
    This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
    What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?

    It's closer than some of you boomers think
    What if there's a player on your men's team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being referred to as playing for the men's team?

    What if there's a player on your women's team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being referred to as playing for the women's team?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited January 2023
    LOL Imagine trying to use Boomers as an offensive term for a group of people, when at the same time trying to advocate not offending people. 

    Two wrongs and all that. 

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