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Man of the Match term now discarded?
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Bernie's going to be furious when someone tells him "mans" has been changed to "men's".Algarveaddick said:11 -
Not if you're from the streets blad. Man's game still innit fam.Chizz said:
Bernie's going to be furious when someone tells him "mans" has been changed to "men's".Algarveaddick said:1 -
I look forward to snatch of the day hosted by Roy Keane4
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BrazilianBaldybonce said:I look forward to snatch of the day hosted by Roy Keane0 -
Spent years watching kids’ football from under 7s to under 18s. Man of the match seemed ridiculous until the players got to 16+ and was debatable even then. As pointed out by others we have a ‘player of season’. This is a non-issue1
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Remember "AddictedtoCharlton" or some such user name from years back (I think on an old BBC blog?).Dazzler21 said:
Not if you're from the streets blad. Man's game still innit fam.Chizz said:
Bernie's going to be furious when someone tells him "mans" has been changed to "men's".Algarveaddick said:
Tortuous re-writing of English into "street"...2 -
What when our computers start identifying themselves as non-binary?
It's not as far off as some of you millennials might think.2 -
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seth plum said:The word ‘woke’ means anti racist.
To be anti woke is to be pro racism.
The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
Definitely an insult to be a Marxist dismantler of one's own values and morals and identity and to be a fawning coward grovelling to be accepted by every group except ones own nation. Aka "woke".
Perhaps we could have a "woman of the match" award for the player who repeatedly bottles all heavy challenges in the 90!1 -
Yes it is unimportant. However, surely Man goes with Match as they begin with the same letter and have the same number of syllables. It rolls off the tongue better in the same way that Match of The Day works better than Matches of The Weekend.JohnnyJoeyDeeDee said:Spent years watching kids’ football from under 7s to under 18s. Man of the match seemed ridiculous until the players got to 16+ and was debatable even then. As pointed out by others we have a ‘player of season’. This is a non-issue
Although changing it to Player of The Match is not a problem neither is leaving it as Man of The Match.0 -
Can you quote something Karl Marx actually wrote that would shine a light on this issue?ValleyOfTears said:seth plum said:The word ‘woke’ means anti racist.
To be anti woke is to be pro racism.
The truth is there is no fixed definition of the word woke, to some like me being called woke is a compliment, to others being called woke is an insult.
Definitely an insult to be a Marxist dismantler of one's own values and morals and identity and to be a fawning coward grovelling to be accepted by every group except ones own nation. Aka "woke".
Perhaps we could have a "woman of the match" award for the player who repeatedly bottles all heavy challenges in the 90!0 -
By the way, who was Man of the Match in our EFL Cup game against Player United last week?1
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I just hope you all think carefully before yelling “man on!” from the stands in future0
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I’ll be texting Hate to 80086 immediatelyOakster2 said:I just hope you all think carefully before yelling “man on!” from the stands in future3 -
If there is one benefit to all of this, it's that the popular song that ends "...It's full of t*ts, f*nny and Charlton" is no longer offensive, as in our gender fluid society it doesn't refer to the private parts of a specific identity. Therefore we can all sing along and enjoy the words in the spirit with which they are intended.4
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That could refer to me these days tbhSporadicAddick said:If there is one benefit to all of this, it's that the popular song that ends "...It's full of t*ts, f*nny and Charlton" is no longer offensive, as in our gender fluid society it doesn't refer to the private parts of a specific identity. Therefore we can all sing along and enjoy the words in the spirit with which they are intended.1 -
Surely if the person has they/them pronouns then it should be 'Players of the match'?sam3110 said:
What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?JaShea99 said:This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
It's closer than some of you boomers think2 -
The only thing that is interesting about this small thing is why anybody thinks it is necessary to change it in the first place. It cannot be because anybody other than a man is going to win it. They must think there is something problematic about the word 'man' itself.4
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Man originally meant "person" or "human" and was gender neutral. Gender was denoted more by word suffixes than different words for different gender.
The change in meaning to man being a male person happened naturally as language and grammar changed. But "mankind" never changed away from meaning "human kind" but the arbiters of non-discriminatory language would have us believe "mankind" is discriminatory or oppressive to women and only "human kind" should be used. I regret the engineering of the meaning of certain words and preventing the nuance of context in order to suppress a word's intended meaning.
I can understand women's football preferring "player" rather than "man", but I am guessing the arbiters of discriminatory language judged that "man" of the match is perpetuating a distinction between men and women which is not appropriate to the advancement of equality.
Doesn't worry me, but doesn't mean I don't think it's a load of bollocks.2 -
It’s been PFA “player of the year” since 1973/74 season, I guess they was woke back then as they didn’t call it man of the year. Bloody woke baby boomers!!
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Did you consider we might just be in a phase where language is again evolving naturally based on changes in social attitudes?Dippenhall said:Man originally meant "person" or "human" and was gender neutral. Gender was denoted more by word suffixes than different words for different gender.
The change in meaning to man being a male person happened naturally as language and grammar changed. But "mankind" never changed away from meaning "human kind" but the arbiters of non-discriminatory language would have us believe "mankind" is discriminatory or oppressive to women and only "human kind" should be used. I regret the engineering of the meaning of certain words and preventing the nuance of context in order to suppress a word's intended meaning.
I can understand women's football preferring "player" rather than "man", but I am guessing the arbiters of discriminatory language judged that "man" of the match is perpetuating a distinction between men and women which is not appropriate to the advancement of equality.
Doesn't worry me, but doesn't mean I don't think it's a load of bollocks.
Why are some people so obsessed with the idea there is some great conspiracy behind anything they don't agree with/understand?0 -
What is a baby boomer?1
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Because the'social attitude', behind dropping 'man' and 'woman' as categories is not a given. On the contrary it is highly disputed and controversial.Exiled_Addick said:
Did you consider we might just be in a phase where language is again evolving naturally based on changes in social attitudes?Dippenhall said:Man originally meant "person" or "human" and was gender neutral. Gender was denoted more by word suffixes than different words for different gender.
The change in meaning to man being a male person happened naturally as language and grammar changed. But "mankind" never changed away from meaning "human kind" but the arbiters of non-discriminatory language would have us believe "mankind" is discriminatory or oppressive to women and only "human kind" should be used. I regret the engineering of the meaning of certain words and preventing the nuance of context in order to suppress a word's intended meaning.
I can understand women's football preferring "player" rather than "man", but I am guessing the arbiters of discriminatory language judged that "man" of the match is perpetuating a distinction between men and women which is not appropriate to the advancement of equality.
Doesn't worry me, but doesn't mean I don't think it's a load of bollocks.
Why are some people so obsessed with the idea there is some great conspiracy behind anything they don't agree with/understand?0 -
Maybe they just wanted to get the same trophy for men and women to save some money.
Save any mix ups of handing out 'man of the match' in women games and Vis versa.0 -
A baby that isn't given a dummy or spits it out on a regular basis.0 -
Mainly positive from what I can see, mate.Gribbo said:What is a baby boomer?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baby Boomers
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Weirdsoapboxsam said:
A baby that isn't given a dummy or spits it out on a regular basis.0 -
They're still only one person, therefore the use of the singular Player is fine. i.e Where has Dave gone? They're over there.balham red said:
Surely if the person has they/them pronouns then it should be 'Players of the match'?sam3110 said:
What if there's a player on our team that describes themselves as Non Binary and use they/them pronouns? Should they be subjected to being called Man Of The Match when they don't identify directly as a Man?JaShea99 said:This is hilarious. Peak CL. When TS wanted to change the name of the female team, anyone daring to ask why it mattered got pelters. Now someone starts a thread asking a perfectly reasonable question, which as far as I can see hasn’t been answered yet (mixed gender teams are decades away) and it’s full of “so what?” responses.
It's closer than some of you boomers think0
