I compared the current day BBC with TASS elsewhere, but this shouldn’t be a surprise when they have a former Conservative Party Director of Communications, who helped to also found GB News, on the Board where he is highly influential in shaping the output.
They have lost any semblance of impartiality over the last decade.
To label the bbc right wing is definately todays funny
Not sure there is anything funny in a state broadcaster bowing to the pressure of a right wing populist government
Was it not the other way for many years before? And right leaning people felt similarly aggrieved with their stance then.
Just like the govt having a firmer approach to illegal immigration now. Go back to the early Blair years when the govt openly implemented what was effectively an open door policy on immigration which a lot of people also felt was a bad move.
The concerns of some of the general public are not centred purely on current numbers we may or may not be taking, it’s the compounded impact of years of immigration targeting a multicultural society that really has not and does not work in a lot of deprived areas. It’s the impact of that on local infrastructure and public services. Now immigration is not the only factor, it’s years of underfunding too, of course. But when joe bloggs can never get a doctors appointment and when they do the room is full off people clearly not originally from these shores, the perception becomes ingrained in the eyes of those people.
I can assure you the waiting room is not “full of people not from these shores” in Thanet. You’d struggle to find any, but the problems are exactly the same. Possibly it’s because the “people not from these shores” are no longer here to treat them?
Just to add, what made me smile was Tory MP's saying that people involved with football should not comment on political events.....just as they said with Marcus Rashford...then of course they decided that as he (Rashford) had the moral high ground and public support they 'agreed with him'. Then on Thursday (I think) Penney Mordunt made a speech at the despatch box.....using....football analogies...'pot kettle black'?
It's interesting to see that the BBC has chosen to shut down Gary Lineker's highlighting of the the Government's use of language designed to inflame hatred of migrants, at the same time that they are trying to side-line David Attenborough's comments about Climate Change and the destruction of habitats.
It is Climate Change and the destruction of so many habitats across the world that is a big driver of migration. People have to move away from areas that can no longer support them and they become migrants. Tensions between countries as they compete for scarce resources also creates migrants.
It is a political subject, but it is good to have it discussed on the wider forum, with people who do not normally engage on the HoC threads.
When will politicians stop underestimating the power of football and its community? Fools.
I’m sure there would have been many before us, but I always think of what Charlton fans did with The Valley Party as a catalyst for football fans everywhere to mobilise against politicians of any party who take us for granted. That has expanded to players now, who are more socially aware of those less fortunate (whether that’s nurses, children or refugees) and, rightly, using their voice/platform to try to help.
That isn’t a dig at former players by the way, but there wasn’t the difference in pay parity between them and fans in days gone by and I think therefore understandable (just look at some of the Q&As in old programmes to see that).
People defending the BBC decision on Linekar but will ignore Alan Sugar or Andrew Neil preaching right wing doctrine shows how partisan the BBC has become.
I didn’t think Andrew Neil was on the BBC any more.
He isn’t. However - and I’m furious with myself for forgetting it when I bought into the excuses from former BBC Trust chair Richard Ayre on Thursday - before he left, his personal Twitter output was an absolute tirade of bile. Not just right wing in opinion, but really aggressive. He was one of those who bullied the journalist Carole Cadwalladr when she exposed Aaron Banks, (and has recently defeated him in court). All this while he was supposedly the BBC’s heavy hitter, entrusted with challenging govt. Ministers. It was much worse than Lineker because of his role, and the fact that he was doing this, like, all the time.
Then he went off to GB News if you recall, as Chairman, but he quickly through his toys out of the pram when he discovered that it was basically a low-rent Fox. Now he’s on C4. And curiously, I don’t recall him popping up on my feed since he left Geebees.
Hence no doubt part of the reason for him and the BBC going their separate ways.
In this instance we don’t know what Linekar was previously told to do / discussed what was expected / what he said he would do vis a vis social media - if anything.
The thing about this is Lineker has never hidden his political beliefs before and has regularly tweeted about them. Clearly the Nazi connotations of this latest one are deemed a step too far for those up the hierarchy.
Personally find him the worst thing on MOTD but this is all way OTT. Plus side for Lineker is he can spend a night off looking at himself in the mirror.
You’re clutching at straws there. The ‘Nazi connotations’ you refer to are those of the illegal policy this government is trying to implement.
Personally think that comparing policies to tackle the current migrant crisis, to what happened in Nazi Germany is extremely crass, when they're clearly nothing like it.
He didn’t compare the current migrant crisis with the totality of what happened in Nazi Germany, ie the holocaust. What he said was, the language being used by the government, such as “Swamped”, is similar to the language used in 1930’s Germany. Which is undoubtedly true and accurate and so hardly crass.
It's undeniably emotive though
Of course it is but Gribbo’s point was still inaccurate.
I see what you mean, but had GL simply said the language used was unhelpful and emotive, people might not be making the comparison he alluded to. He knew the likely impact of what he was saying, which is why he said it, the consequences of which we're seeing play out now.
To label the bbc right wing is definately todays funny
Not sure there is anything funny in a state broadcaster bowing to the pressure of a right wing populist government
Was it not the other way for many years before? And right leaning people felt similarly aggrieved with their stance then.
Just like the govt having a firmer approach to illegal immigration now. Go back to the early Blair years when the govt openly implemented what was effectively an open door policy on immigration which a lot of people also felt was a bad move.
The concerns of some of the general public are not centred purely on current numbers we may or may not be taking, it’s the compounded impact of years of immigration targeting a multicultural society that really has not and does not work in a lot of deprived areas. It’s the impact of that on local infrastructure and public services. Now immigration is not the only factor, it’s years of underfunding too, of course. But when joe bloggs can never get a doctors appointment and when they do the room is full off people clearly not originally from these shores, the perception becomes ingrained in the eyes of those people.
I can assure you the waiting room is not “full of people not from these shores” in Thanet. You’d struggle to find any, but the problems are exactly the same. Possibly it’s because the “people not from these shores” are no longer here to treat them?
That’s your experience and your perspective Airman and plenty would share similar. Equally lots will have alternative experiences and perspectives, up and down the UK, as they are perfectly entitled to, it does not make them thick (I know you personally have never said that, to be clear).
I agree with plenty of what is said on here but I do feel it is an echo chamber at times on this subject and there are legitimate, alternative views on illegal immigration and govt policies (now and historically) that don’t, necessarily, make the person who holds them thick and/or racist.
To label the bbc right wing is definately todays funny
Not sure there is anything funny in a state broadcaster bowing to the pressure of a right wing populist government
Was it not the other way for many years before? And right leaning people felt similarly aggrieved with their stance then.
Just like the govt having a firmer approach to illegal immigration now. Go back to the early Blair years when the govt openly implemented what was effectively an open door policy on immigration which a lot of people also felt was a bad move.
The concerns of some of the general public are not centred purely on current numbers we may or may not be taking, it’s the compounded impact of years of immigration targeting a multicultural society that really has not and does not work in a lot of deprived areas. It’s the impact of that on local infrastructure and public services. Now immigration is not the only factor, it’s years of underfunding too, of course. But when joe bloggs can never get a doctors appointment and when they do the room is full off people clearly not originally from these shores, the perception becomes ingrained in the eyes of those people.
I can assure you the waiting room is not “full of people not from these shores” in Thanet. You’d struggle to find any, but the problems are exactly the same. Possibly it’s because the “people not from these shores” are no longer here to treat them?
That probably says more about the appeal of Thanet...
Personally think Lineker is a twat (not cause of this, just in general) but the BBC has definitely out twatted him here.
Employing Lineker who is known for airing his views on Twitter and then being annoyed when he does that, is akin to employing a shock journalist (Jeremy Clarkson for example) and then being annoyed when they write shock articles.
Haven't read the whole thread, but my view is that if you are on Lineker's side, you should absolutely not be cancelling your direct debit etc. The BBC needs to be taken back, not defunded. It's the thing feared most by the media owning billionaires like Murdoch. They can't buy it and control it. (All the views on Twitter and Lineker too). The problem is that it is currently headed up by one of their rats and it is his appointment that was the crux of the impartiality issue, not a personal tweet from a sports presenter.
I'm sure this view has even voiced previously, so apologies. Just in case though
Another example of the internal chaos at the BBC is that they have scored this massive own goal with Attenborough, yet tomorrow night will see the 2nd part of Paul Whitehouse’s brilliant broadside against the privatised water companies filling our rivers and beaches with shit. I know which one of those two programmes is going to be more damaging to the Tories in the next General Election.
Don’t miss it, btw. BBC2, 20.00. Plenty of time afterwards to go switch your water supplier…oh, hang on….
whatever your views (and I sense a majority position on this forum at least), the BBC and Lineker quickly need to de-escalate this, and that will involve short term compromises from both and a robust and public review of policy. Entrenched positions from both sides are not helpful.
Haven't read the whole thread, but my view is that if you are on Lineker's side, you should absolutely not be cancelling your direct debit etc. The BBC needs to be taken back, not defunded. It's the thing feared most by the media owning billionaires like Murdoch. They can't buy it and control it. (All the views on Twitter and Lineker too). The problem is that it is currently headed up by one of their rats and it is his appointment that was the crux of the impartiality issue, not a personal tweet from a sports presenter.
I'm sure this view has even voiced previously, so apologies. Just in case though
Although I have cancelled my DD to make a small point I think you're right. Those at the top of the BBC are government lackeys but I don't want to undermine the BBC as a whole which I think, like the health service, is a valuable but vulnerable institution, one which gives Britain a presence far wider than its size alone would merit. However, the ways in which you can express your contempt for the Tory pricks dismantling the BBC are limited, and this is a way of demonstrating that contempt and advising my MP that I've taken some action in protest. It probably won't cost the BBC any lost revenue as the quarter's DD has just been taken, and if changes are made by the end of May then I'll put it back in place.
Haven't read the whole thread, but my view is that if you are on Lineker's side, you should absolutely not be cancelling your direct debit etc. The BBC needs to be taken back, not defunded. It's the thing feared most by the media owning billionaires like Murdoch. They can't buy it and control it. (All the views on Twitter and Lineker too). The problem is that it is currently headed up by one of their rats and it is his appointment that was the crux of the impartiality issue, not a personal tweet from a sports presenter.
I'm sure this view has even voiced previously, so apologies. Just in case though
Although I have cancelled my DD to make a small point I think you're right. Those at the top of the BBC are government lackeys but I don't want to undermine the BBC as a whole which I think, like the health service, is a valuable but vulnerable institution, one which gives Britain a presence far wider than its size alone would merit. However, the ways in which you can express your contempt for the Tory pricks dismantling the BBC are limited, and this is a way of demonstrating that contempt and advising my MP that I've taken some action in protest. It probably won't cost the BBC any lost revenue as the quarter's DD has just been taken, and if changes are made by the end of May then I'll put it back in place.
The Government would love to privatise the BBC and not paying your licence fee will only result in a fine for you.
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It is Climate Change and the destruction of so many habitats across the world that is a big driver of migration. People have to move away from areas that can no longer support them and they become migrants. Tensions between countries as they compete for scarce resources also creates migrants.
It is a political subject, but it is good to have it discussed on the wider forum, with people who do not normally engage on the HoC threads.
I agree with plenty of what is said on here but I do feel it is an echo chamber at times on this subject and there are legitimate, alternative views on illegal immigration and govt policies (now and historically) that don’t, necessarily, make the person who holds them thick and/or racist.
…Treating all the patients.
That - and also maybe the government haven't read the room.
I'm sure this view has even voiced previously, so apologies. Just in case though
Although a static image, still a better presenter than Alex Scott.
Those at the top of the BBC are government lackeys but I don't want to undermine the BBC as a whole which I think, like the health service, is a valuable but vulnerable institution, one which gives Britain a presence far wider than its size alone would merit.
However, the ways in which you can express your contempt for the Tory pricks dismantling the BBC are limited, and this is a way of demonstrating that contempt and advising my MP that I've taken some action in protest.
It probably won't cost the BBC any lost revenue as the quarter's DD has just been taken, and if changes are made by the end of May then I'll put it back in place.