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Italy vs England - Euro 2024 Qualifier
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The Italian one was even worse.Callumcafc said:0 -
in fact. Ukraine will give those card waving cheats a totally different problem. and i can't wait to see it1
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I just don't get those bookings at all.
I'd like to see both Walker's and Shaw's first booking again. Weren't they having to go and get the ball themselves because the ball boys weren't getting it for England? It happened in the first ten minutes when Bellingham went behind the goal to collect the ball.
Our players should have stayed on the pitch and waited. It's not their obligation to go off the pitch.
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The thing about the bookings for Walker and Shaw for time wasting is that, ideally in my opinion, there should be more bookings for time wasting generally because it’s a fucking blight on the game. The trouble is, this referee is the only one in the world booking players for those particular offences because they were so minor. And of course, England get the one referee who would show a card in those situations while every ref we get where we want the opposition booked for time wasting, they let them get away with warning after warning.
The ref made a proper tit of himself and he knew it once Shaw did the tackle giving him no choice but to highlight what a harsh card the first one was.2 -
First home defeat for Italy in Euro Qualifiers since 19995
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My god - Joe Cole must be the worst pundit in the history of punditry.0
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can't wait for rashford to get into the italian mugs1
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The ref tried his hardest but Italy are so shit with 12 v 10 they still couldn’t win.1
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Thought he was awful...so slow in possession...always looked like a mistake waiting to happen ... reminded me at times of Mr Inniss.Redmidland said:Harry Mcguire...again!!0 -
You really think that ?Garrymanilow said:
DerangedAndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
Look at the players he has had at his disposal ? How anyone can say he hasnt cost us tournies is beyond me.he is tactically braindead and will always revert to a defensive mindset when in a winning position relying on our weaknesses made even worse by insanely starting players who have played more minutes for England than they have their clubs. Yes we will qualify for the Euros but I bet we will lose it from being in a winning position and in control of the game. I give the bloke credit for sorting out the shitshow he inherited and creating the morale that exists now but he will never win anything
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I think we became under pressure because Bellingham, Rice and Philips who had bossed the midfield in the first half weren't so effective 2nd half as Rice was on a booking, Bellingham had a knock and wasn't as commanding and Phillips was short on minutes.
Italy couldn't play as poor as they did 1st half and they didn't
Superb result and Harry Kane was immense.1 -
I suspect that the way she was touching her ear her ear monitors weren't working and she couldn't hear the music, ironically, because they were in her ear and above the booingC_A_F_C said:
The Italian one was even worse.Callumcafc said:0 -
AndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
You know we just won right. Away from home against the other good team in the group.12 -
No interview with Southgate for C4?0
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Italy are the European champs and hadn't lost for 14 matches in this competition.
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Yes ofcourse it is a great result I just dont get the Southgate love in. I appreciate I'm in the minority on here but I just think the last few years performances have been in spite of him and when the chips are down he costs us actually winning tournamentsValleyGary said:AndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
You know we just won right. Away from home against the other good team in the group.3 -
When Southgate does leave, and the FA are forced into actually appointing someone againAndyG said:
You really think that ?Garrymanilow said:
DerangedAndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
Look at the players he has had at his disposal ? How anyone can say he hasnt cost us tournies is beyond me.he is tactically braindead and will always revert to a defensive mindset when in a winning position relying on our weaknesses made even worse by insanely starting players who have played more minutes for England than they have their clubs. Yes we will qualify for the Euros but I bet we will lose it from being in a winning position and in control of the game. I give the bloke credit for sorting out the shitshow he inherited and creating the morale that exists now but he will never win anything
I hope you remember this sort of post, and the sort of enjoyment we've been getting from watching England these last few years, even without winning something, when we go back to the shitshow we've had to endure for the last two decades.
Remember this is the FA that fucked up appointment after appointment with the proper Golden Generation (only Kane would get into that team), and got lucky putting Southgate into the job - All because he was an easy short term option who happened to get good results (and continue getting good results), whilst they recovered from the stupidity of Big Sam13 -
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Under his management.
Played 82.
Won 50.
Lost 14.0 -
14-games we've lost because Southgate told the players the wrong thing.Wheresmeticket? said:Under his management.
Played 82.
Won 50.
Lost 14.
50-games won because the players ignored him12 -
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Apart from the France game where he went 433, we had over 50% of the possession and lost because we missed a penalty? Plus he made 3 or 4 attacking substitutions.North Lower Neil said:
Didn't we best Spain etc in that first Nations League? The one tome Southgate went really attacking for a week or so?ForeverAddickted said:First team we've beaten in the FIFA top 10 rankings under Southgate?
Or the world cup games we scored 6 in?
But that was the one week?
I am convinced a lot of people are so down on Southgate and most of them don't even know why. Not winning the world cup is hardly a reason.6 -
The only disappointment for me was the sloppy passing at the beginning of the second half that handed them the momentum leading to their goal.
We dominated the first half and the performance in the second half after the sending off was immense.
To go there and get a win is a real achievement.
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I don't know but it was going that way and the keeper was miles out.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:Did we score as he blew the whistle?
Where did the ball end up ?0 -
Massive win, nail biting stuff second half.
Few thoughts:
An almost perfect first half. Rice, Bellingham and Kane superb.
The irony of getting so many yellows for time wasting against that lot.
Phillips should have been off 10 mins into second half for me.
I hate Italian teams, horrible, snide, cheating pricks.
We need to find a way of not ending up defending so deep and defending last ditch in these big games.
But their home record speaks for itself, so it’s a huge win. Our group to lose now.
Delighted for Harry, he was immense as always. Big worry if/when we lose him as we have no one anywhere near him..
Hope all the fans get home safely, there will be plenty of Italians looking to pick people off tonight. Keep your wits guys. 🏴
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We "lost" the Euros on a penalty shootoutAndyG said:
Yes ofcourse it is a great result I just dont get the Southgate love in. I appreciate I'm in the minority on here but I just think the last few years performances have been in spite of him and when the chips are down he costs us actually winning tournamentsValleyGary said:AndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
You know we just won right. Away from home against the other good team in the group.
We got knocked out of the last World Cup because unbelievably our record goal scorer chose that game to actually miss a penalty.
Tonight we should have been 3-0 up at half time but some how a £100 million footballer missed the easiest chance you could wish for.
All Gareth's fault obviously.
Never forget the tournament before he got the job we lost to Iceland with Harry Kane taking corners.
You talk about the players available, in all honesty apart from the wide forwards and the full backs we don't really have many options.3 -
What love in? He gets so much criticism it’s only right when we win he gets praised. He didn’t force maguire to give the ball away, grealish to miss a sitter and Shaw to get sent off. First 45 mins was perfect.AndyG said:
Yes ofcourse it is a great result I just dont get the Southgate love in. I appreciate I'm in the minority on here but I just think the last few years performances have been in spite of him and when the chips are down he costs us actually winning tournamentsValleyGary said:AndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
You know we just won right. Away from home against the other good team in the group.9 -
Cafc43v3r said:
Apart from the France game where he went 433, we had over 50% of the possession and lost because we missed a penalty? Plus he made 3 or 4 attacking substitutions.North Lower Neil said:
Didn't we best Spain etc in that first Nations League? The one tome Southgate went really attacking for a week or so?ForeverAddickted said:First team we've beaten in the FIFA top 10 rankings under Southgate?
Or the world cup games we scored 6 in?
But that was the one week?
I am convinced a lot of people are so down on Southgate and most of them don't even know why. Not winning the world cup is hardly a reason.
Because he is Palace and nothing good ever comes out of that club.
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No way. He said after the game that Rice was the best player on the pitch (by a mile, or words to that effect) and I agree.Brownie12 said:My god - Joe Cole must be the worst pundit in the history of punditry.
I was really looking forward to tonight's match. I really think we've got some class players in Bellingham and Rice. Rice is becoming my favourite England player ever and that's saying a lot after Gazza, Lineker, Beckham, Gerrard and others.0 -
I agree with you. I knew the second half would follow that pattern. Italy lack quality in front of goal but we did score two and should have got three and if a team like England do that, they will beat them. You have to see a pattern with the negativity which could cost us in tournaments. It isn't as if Southgate has poor players to pick from. We probably have as good as anybody in that respect.AndyG said:
Yes ofcourse it is a great result I just dont get the Southgate love in. I appreciate I'm in the minority on here but I just think the last few years performances have been in spite of him and when the chips are down he costs us actually winning tournamentsValleyGary said:AndyG said:
Nope but if had any brain or bravery he wouldn't revert everytime to trying to defend a lead when literally everyone knows defending isnt exactly our strong suit, if he hadnt done that and just let the team.play to its strengths I would say the sudden death penalties wouldnt have happened. Oh and I suspect we would also have won atleast 1 WC and 1 Euros.Cafc43v3r said:
Bloke is a numb skull and just wont learn
You know we just won right. Away from home against the other good team in the group.3
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