Seriously though, Fox would fit a needed role of left sided, left footed defender. He's played so much in the Champ that I think he'll probably stay there. I also don't think he would want to come back given how much he was scapegoated when he was here, but I wouldn't mind him at all.
He’d be a great signing at this level, which is why we have no chance.
Yeah, probably right.
Some interesting ones at Stoke, Powell, Oakley-Booth, and Clucas. Clucas has moved for a lot of money in the past and it doesn't seem to have worked out for him at Stoke. Powell is probably still a good player at this level.
Here's how I see it. Going to try to keep it realistic, i.e. we're not going to sign JRS, we're not going to get Chuks to terminate his contract, etc. Also, this is for players who had at least a somewhat consistent first team presence this season (plus Deji, who seemed to fall off a cliff for some reason), so doesn't include players coming through like Rylah, Kone, etc.
Keep (under contract): AMB, Wollacott, Ness, Egbo, Dobbo, Fraser, Payne, Mitchell, Deji, Campbell, CBT, Leaburn, Kanu, Aneke (he's not going anywhere, he's not going to agree to terminate his contract, but we can't rely on him)
Sign (Out of Contract/On Loan): Hector, Sess (I don't think he's attainable), Thomas, Henry, Kane (but I think he's probably gone)
Move on (Out of contract/loan ending/try to get rid): ::takes deep breath:: Inniss, Killkenny, Penney (bless), Harness, JRS (would obviously keep but won't happen), Bonne, Kirk, Lavelle, DJ (think he's out of contract)
Not sure but leaning "No": Morgan, Clare. I think both could be good players at this level, but both are tactically lacking and their best position/role isn't entirely clear/nailed down. It may be best for everyone, especially Albie, if they move on. But given how much both played down the stretch, I also wouldn't be surprised if both are at least offered new deals, if not signed up for next season. I won't be too bothered either way, but if we sign them, we need to also sign players who are better.
Loan out: Henry, Kanu, Deji. I think it's really important for their development that they play men's football, especially since Deji just doesn't seem fancied at the moment. I might add Mitchell to this category, but he seems like he's ready to be a fourth choice CB at this level starting next season.
That leaves: GK: 2 (our strongest position) RB: 1 (+1 if we keep Clare and/or Kane) CB: 3, but need one more who is capable of being first choice LB: 1, but realistically 0 given I don't think we sign Sess. We need two. DM: 1, we need cover, Dobbo will not play almost every game again next season CM: 2 need two more first choice CM, maybe one who can play as the holding player. Can mix and match a bit here. But we need quality more than quantity. Wing: 3 I'm counting Payne as a winger here. This is another one where we need quality, not quantity. A first choice RW and we look pretty strong here. ST: 1 Kanu needs to go on loan unless we play two up top regularly, and Aneke can't be trusted. I also don't think Miles will be here next season, so we need at least two.
That 6/7 signings that we need. Some can and probably should be loans, given that's a good way to get quality players we might not otherwise have the ability to sign. The good news is if we can resign a couple of players we have the framework for good depth. But this summer, we need quality, not quantity, and a lot of quality at that. That's going to be tough to get.
Good post. I think you may have overlooked McGrandles.
He was baked into my midfielder count, but I didn't call him out up top. Definitely in my mental reckoning though, and one I'm quite curious to see with a proper pre-season.
Not convinced about keeping Thomas, think we should be looking for better
I think Thomas is a decent option as a squad player provided he’s cheap. Shouldn’t be starting for us or taking up a significant proportion of our budget however.
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
Only strange if you think its cut and dried.
I suspect: 1. There are contracted players we want to go who we can't get rid of (Aneke, Kirk etc) 2. There are players we want to keep who want to leave.(fill in the blanks, maybe Leaburn) 3. There are new players we are trying to sign 4. In between there are players who we might want to keep or to leave depending on the result of 1,2 or 3 ( most of the squad)
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
They probably know that the imminent resigning of the likes of Morgan, Clare and Inniss will not have a magical bounce in new season ticket sales
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
Only strange if you think its cut and dried.
I suspect: 1. There are contracted players we want to go who we can't get rid of (Aneke, Kirk etc) 2. There are players we want to keep who want to leave.(fill in the blanks, maybe Leaburn) 3. There are new players we are trying to sign 4. In between there are players who we might want to keep or to leave depending on the result of 1,2 or 3 ( most of the squad)
I see where you are coming from but the club must know who out of Clare, Thomas, Hector, Inniss, Morgan, Henry and Bonne aren't going to be offered a new deal.
I can't believe if the decision to release them has been made then that decision will be changed if we can't find a suitable replacement.
Not sure why everyone is so surprised it hasnt been released yet when we literally played our last game last weekend 🤣🤣
How many clubs have actually released their retained/released lists yet, I have just had a brief look(not looking at every club just the clubs around us) Derby, Portsmouth, Wycombe and Lincoln not released theirs.
Last season our final game was April 30th and we announced the list on May 10th, this year people are up in arms because we haven't announced it 4 days after our final day of the season(one of them being a bank holiday)
At least give it until next week before we get the pitch forks out 😉
Not sure why everyone is so surprised it hasnt been released yet when we literally played our last game last weekend 🤣🤣
How many clubs have actually released their retained/released lists yet, I have just had a brief look(not looking at every club just the clubs around us) Derby, Portsmouth, Wycombe and Lincoln not released theirs.
Last season our final game was April 30th and we announced the list on May 10th, this year people are up in arms because we haven't announced it 4 days after our final day of the season(one of them being a bank holiday)
At least give it until next week before we get the pitch forks out 😉
It's not everyone. I counted 2 people, although it could be as high as 3 or 4 if I missed their comment.
Not sure why everyone is so surprised it hasnt been released yet when we literally played our last game last weekend 🤣🤣
How many clubs have actually released their retained/released lists yet, I have just had a brief look(not looking at every club just the clubs around us) Derby, Portsmouth, Wycombe and Lincoln not released theirs.
Last season our final game was April 30th and we announced the list on May 10th, this year people are up in arms because we haven't announced it 4 days after our final day of the season(one of them being a bank holiday)
At least give it until next week before we get the pitch forks out 😉
It's not everyone. I counted 2 people, although it could be as high as 3 or 4 if I missed their comment.
Seen a few on twitter and Facebook moaning as well tbf, just think people need to relax a bit
Trying to think who else is left from the U21s group that isn't an U18 , haven't seen Euan Williams or Ryan Viggers mentioned yet , not sure how long Jason Adigun signed for last summer either
Adigun got two years so still has a season on his contract. Ladapo and Toure contracts are up this summer. Oguntayo, Dench, Harness, Bakrin, O'Connor,.Barker and Roddy I don't know but suspect a number of them plus Viggars and maybe Williams will quite possibly leave.
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
Only strange if you think its cut and dried.
I suspect: 1. There are contracted players we want to go who we can't get rid of (Aneke, Kirk etc) 2. There are players we want to keep who want to leave.(fill in the blanks, maybe Leaburn) 3. There are new players we are trying to sign 4. In between there are players who we might want to keep or to leave depending on the result of 1,2 or 3 ( most of the squad)
None of your points would stop us releasing the retained list.
When does our retained/released list get announced?
It is very strange it hasn't been announced. The players must have been told by now and I suspect most, if not all, have now departed on their holidays. (Cue joke about most having been on holiday for months already).
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
Only strange if you think its cut and dried.
I suspect: 1. There are contracted players we want to go who we can't get rid of (Aneke, Kirk etc) 2. There are players we want to keep who want to leave.(fill in the blanks, maybe Leaburn) 3. There are new players we are trying to sign 4. In between there are players who we might want to keep or to leave depending on the result of 1,2 or 3 ( most of the squad)
I see where you are coming from but the club must know who out of Clare, Thomas, Hector, Inniss, Morgan, Henry and Bonne aren't going to be offered a new deal.
I can't believe if the decision to release them has been made then that decision will be changed if we can't find a suitable replacement.
Just come out and say who has been released.
Seeing as the players were told on the Friday before Cheltenham it’s odd it hasn’t been released yet. Normally you’d say that x, y and z have been released whist a, b and c have been offered new terms and maybe p and q have signed new deals. It isn’t dependant on who we may or may not sign in the next three months or so.
Innis - he needs to go but suspect we may keep him the longer the ownership issue goes on. The man has shown himself to be a liability time and time again, firstly through injuries then his reckless aggression. TBH he was lucky to get another season with us.
Wollacott - no fault of his own and would love him as a number 2 in an ideal world but is on a first team salary and unfortunately i have AMB slightly ahead in terms of quality and massively ahead in terms of potential for improvement and financial rewards.
Clare - he started well but unfortunately can tell he isnt committed anymore, seems more interested in his fashion label now. Is a jack of all trades master of none and his performances have dipped.
Jaysimi - not as fast as CBT or have the ability either.
Bonne - was never a fan when we had him first time was brought in to take pressure off Leaburn and has been woeful. We need another CF as soon as possible. Bonne isnt a striker at this level for me l, at least for a club wanting promotion.
Chuks - Unfortunate because his ability is clearly there but he has to go down as one of the worst decisions this administration made we paid cash and gave 3 years to a player we all knew wasnt fit enough to play.
Trying to think who else is left from the U21s group that isn't an U18 , haven't seen Euan Williams or Ryan Viggers mentioned yet , not sure how long Jason Adigun signed for last summer either
Adigun got two years so still has a season on his contract. Ladapo and Toure contracts are up this summer. Oguntayo, Dench, Harness, Bakrin, O'Connor,.Barker and Roddy I don't know but suspect a number of them plus Viggars and maybe Williams will quite possibly leave.
Ah great that's a big help! Looks like from Instagram that Williams has a serious hamstring injury but will be back anyway.
Innis - he needs to go but suspect we may keep him the longer the ownership issue goes on. The man has shown himself to be a liability time and time again, firstly through injuries then his reckless aggression. TBH he was lucky to get another season with us.
Wollacott - no fault of his own and would love him as a number 2 in an ideal world but is on a first team salary and unfortunately i have AMB slightly ahead in terms of quality and massively ahead in terms of potential for improvement and financial rewards.
Clare - he started well but unfortunately can tell he isnt committed anymore, seems more interested in his fashion label now. Is a jack of all trades master of none and his performances have dipped.
Jaysimi - not as fast as CBT or have the ability either.
Bonne - was never a fan when we had him first time was brought in to take pressure off Leaburn and has been woeful. We need another CF as soon as possible. Bonne isnt a striker at this level for me l, at least for a club wanting promotion.
Chuks - Unfortunate because his ability is clearly there but he has to go down as one of the worst decisions this administration made we paid cash and gave 3 years to a player we all knew wasnt fit enough to play.
Cant argue with any of this. Hard to se how we’ll get rid of Chuks other than by paying up his contract though
Innis - he needs to go but suspect we may keep him the longer the ownership issue goes on. The man has shown himself to be a liability time and time again, firstly through injuries then his reckless aggression. TBH he was lucky to get another season with us.
Wollacott - no fault of his own and would love him as a number 2 in an ideal world but is on a first team salary and unfortunately i have AMB slightly ahead in terms of quality and massively ahead in terms of potential for improvement and financial rewards.
Clare - he started well but unfortunately can tell he isnt committed anymore, seems more interested in his fashion label now. Is a jack of all trades master of none and his performances have dipped.
Jaysimi - not as fast as CBT or have the ability either.
Bonne - was never a fan when we had him first time was brought in to take pressure off Leaburn and has been woeful. We need another CF as soon as possible. Bonne isnt a striker at this level for me l, at least for a club wanting promotion.
Chuks - Unfortunate because his ability is clearly there but he has to go down as one of the worst decisions this administration made we paid cash and gave 3 years to a player we all knew wasnt fit enough to play.
Cant argue with any of this. Hard to se how we’ll get rid of Chuks other than by paying up his contract though
To be honest there are more aswell that im on the fence about eg Payne, CBT, Thomas. Id keep them as squad players.
Yeah Chuks is a hard one but it may be better just paying out his contract to free up squad space and salary budget.
What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
He may have been unluckly, but Napoloen said that the main quality he looked for in his generals was that they were lucky.
What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
A red card every 10 games is still a red card every 10 games no matter how you twist it.
Wasn't it last season where Innis elbowed an Oxford player in the face but the ref missed it. Exceptionally lucky not to get a red or a retrospective red for that as it was as alclear a red card as you could have seen.
What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
Reckless aggression is doing something stupidly aggressive for no discernable reason. I dont know why so many of our fans defend him, that attempt to score involved him literrally running full pelt and shoulder barging someone in the back for a ball he was never going to win when he was on a yellow in the midst of an injury crisis. Also what about the reds the season before ? Lets not mention the number of individual mistakes he has made and thr number of times he has skated on thin ice in matches, look at his record is he genuinley unlucky or maybe he is just reckless ? Does anyone look at him and actually think he is a CB who will get us promoted.
What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
You seem to conveniently ignore the red card he should have got at Port Vale.
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Some interesting ones at Stoke, Powell, Oakley-Booth, and Clucas. Clucas has moved for a lot of money in the past and it doesn't seem to have worked out for him at Stoke. Powell is probably still a good player at this level.
Unless the club is just waiting to see if those who have been offered a new deal will sign it, I can't see any reason why the club doesn't announce who is going and who is staying.
I suspect:
1. There are contracted players we want to go who we can't get rid of (Aneke, Kirk etc)
2. There are players we want to keep who want to leave.(fill in the blanks, maybe Leaburn)
3. There are new players we are trying to sign
4. In between there are players who we might want to keep or to leave depending on the result of 1,2 or 3 ( most of the squad)
I can't believe if the decision to release them has been made then that decision will be changed if we can't find a suitable replacement.
Just come out and say who has been released.
How many clubs have actually released their retained/released lists yet, I have just had a brief look(not looking at every club just the clubs around us) Derby, Portsmouth, Wycombe and Lincoln not released theirs.
Last season our final game was April 30th and we announced the list on May 10th, this year people are up in arms because we haven't announced it 4 days after our final day of the season(one of them being a bank holiday)
At least give it until next week before we get the pitch forks out 😉
I counted 2 people, although it could be as high as 3 or 4 if I missed their comment.
I'll get my coat on the way out.
Innis - he needs to go but suspect we may keep him the longer the ownership issue goes on. The man has shown himself to be a liability time and time again, firstly through injuries then his reckless aggression. TBH he was lucky to get another season with us.
Wollacott - no fault of his own and would love him as a number 2 in an ideal world but is on a first team salary and unfortunately i have AMB slightly ahead in terms of quality and massively ahead in terms of potential for improvement and financial rewards.
Clare - he started well but unfortunately can tell he isnt committed anymore, seems more interested in his fashion label now. Is a jack of all trades master of none and his performances have dipped.
Jaysimi - not as fast as CBT or have the ability either.
Bonne - was never a fan when we had him first time was brought in to take pressure off Leaburn and has been woeful. We need another CF as soon as possible. Bonne isnt a striker at this level for me l, at least for a club wanting promotion.
Chuks - Unfortunate because his ability is clearly there but he has to go down as one of the worst decisions this administration made we paid cash and gave 3 years to a player we all knew wasnt fit enough to play.
Ah great that's a big help! Looks like from Instagram that Williams has a serious hamstring injury but will be back anyway.
Yeah Chuks is a hard one but it may be better just paying out his contract to free up squad space and salary budget.
Not really defendable.
I look at him and I see a very useful squad member who's clearly good to have around the group, who can step in when required.