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  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,198
    Very disappointed with the last few pages of this thread. The quality of some of the quoting has been really poor. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,162
    Going back a few weeks Redhenry was what I thought (as someone who is cautiously negative until proven otherwise with our new owners )overly positive of the new owners 
    Hes had a re think and is taking where we’re at at face value and it’s not great but there’s still a few weeks of the window left to improve what to me is a we’re going nowhere squad .
    Lets hope the owners invest , I mean they’re gonna lose dough anyway so they might as well throw the dice and have some fun along the way 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Henry Irving said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    It is only fair to judge the new group on what has happened since they became owners, so far they have made some good quality signings but we all agree more needs to be done. Have faith - we will be siging more good quality players.

    I expect at least 3-4 more new signings, with a similar amount of deadwood being moved on.


    A reasonable stance but that means Sandgaard gets the credit for what looks, at present, the best signing of the summer in Alfie May
    To be fair, in January TS tried to back peddle on a deal with SE7 partners hence the other guy come in for a few months, where this summer, a deal was agreed, and they knew they was going to take over.
  • Codfishjunior
    Codfishjunior Posts: 367
    Listened to the Not the Top 20 Season preview, and from completely neutral point of view they said if you'd want the best 6 a side team in the league it could quite easily be the 6 players we have signed.. I think we've had a very good window so far and looking forward to how the boys shape up once bedded in.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,290
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Being brutally honest I’m more concerned about the defence than the attack. I think the attack will sort itself out but I’m worried that our back three / four are looking all over the place. We got away with it against Orient but we won’t against better teams. Hector and Ness in particular look shadows of last season. Early I know but the warning signs are there.
    Been saying for a while that you can’t expect to concede 20-30 less goals this season with largely the same defence that we had last season, the same one that conceded 66 goals.

    Take Hector out and in terms of actual quality, we very much lack any. We have young players who have done well in the main, some completely new to men’s first team football, but that’s not enough or good enough to make the difference required.

    Last two times we got out of League One, we had Morrison, Taylor, and Cort when we won the league and then Bauer, Pearce, Sarr, and Bielik in defence covering at times through play-offs.

    Thats the standard you need to get out this league.

    We have recruited well so far and we will bring in more players. It would be all for nothing if we do not sign another quality centre back because it’s the defence that will let us down this season if we don’t achieve what we all want and hope for.
    I agree we need a couple more defenders in but also disagree that our defence is THAT bad. This isn’t the defence that finished 10th, we had Lavelle or O’Connell partnering Inniss for the first half of the season (with Chin and Clayden at left back sometimes!). Once Ness and Hector came into it in the second half of the season we were the 8th best team in league 1. Combine that with a weaker league and I don’t think we are very far off a top 6 side already. Leaburn and May are one of the best frontlines in the league (yes we need other options), our midfield is one of the best in the league, defence is the weak point at the moment but I don’t think it’s far off. 

    A left footed centre back would be great, but these are difficult to find and overpriced because of their value to any team playing 3 at the back. This should have been a priority position this summer but it might be that there isn’t anyone good enough that we can sign that fits the mould. Hopefully there is a PL loan left footed CB that we can bring in, but even then that’s quite risky bringing in a centre back who hasn’t played much senior football 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,875
    Sage said:
    I also wonder how much the decision of Gallen to leave during the window is going to finder our business.

    Targets may have changed but there will also be players that we have wanted for a while. Gallen may have developed a rapport with some and other agents, now that has gone we could be starting from scratch in that department.

    I accept him leaving, just think at the end of the window might have been better for all.
    The timing of the change of regime has been unfortunate. If they arrived in March, then they would have hit the summer transfer window completely in control, and with targets already sorted, rather than the "two bosses" scenario we had at the beginning of the window, with TS still around.

    Similarly, it's not ideal that Gallen has left this month. Surely you'd want him to stay until the window closes to maintain some continuity?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    I also wonder how much the decision of Gallen to leave during the window is going to finder our business.

    Targets may have changed but there will also be players that we have wanted for a while. Gallen may have developed a rapport with some and other agents, now that has gone we could be starting from scratch in that department.

    I accept him leaving, just think at the end of the window might have been better for all.
    The timing of the change of regime has been unfortunate. If they arrived in March, then they would have hit the summer transfer window completely in control, and with targets already sorted, rather than the "two bosses" scenario we had at the beginning of the window, with TS still around.

    Similarly, it's not ideal that Gallen has left this month. Surely you'd want him to stay until the window closes to maintain some continuity?
    Continuity for what reason ? Scott is at least as experienced as SG and will want things done his way not by someone who is known to be leaving. I think SG was perfect as a transitional person when Scott first arrived in January. I doubt very much if he feels the need to be assisted at this point.
  • bromdog
    bromdog Posts: 131
    Im quite sure positive moves will happen before the window, that most of us will be happy about.  FFP dictates a lot, clubs hanging on until the last minute. We are a league one club and I think it’s the reality. we have to rely on some raw youth, with some gambles, and probably a couple of players you could do without. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    There's an outside chance that the 60% of turnover of wages rule is affecting us, but we really do not have to be worried about FFP. 

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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,290
    cafcfan1990 said:
    There's an outside chance that the 60% of turnover of wages rule is affecting us, but we really do not have to be worried about FFP. 
    Owners can inject money in on top of that if they wish too, as long as it’s not money that is loaned to the club. So that doesn’t limit us if we did want to spend more than the 60%, that’s how Ipswich spent so much at this level 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    NabySarr said:
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Being brutally honest I’m more concerned about the defence than the attack. I think the attack will sort itself out but I’m worried that our back three / four are looking all over the place. We got away with it against Orient but we won’t against better teams. Hector and Ness in particular look shadows of last season. Early I know but the warning signs are there.
    Been saying for a while that you can’t expect to concede 20-30 less goals this season with largely the same defence that we had last season, the same one that conceded 66 goals.

    Take Hector out and in terms of actual quality, we very much lack any. We have young players who have done well in the main, some completely new to men’s first team football, but that’s not enough or good enough to make the difference required.

    Last two times we got out of League One, we had Morrison, Taylor, and Cort when we won the league and then Bauer, Pearce, Sarr, and Bielik in defence covering at times through play-offs.

    Thats the standard you need to get out this league.

    We have recruited well so far and we will bring in more players. It would be all for nothing if we do not sign another quality centre back because it’s the defence that will let us down this season if we don’t achieve what we all want and hope for.
    I agree we need a couple more defenders in but also disagree that our defence is THAT bad. This isn’t the defence that finished 10th, we had Lavelle or O’Connell partnering Inniss for the first half of the season (with Chin and Clayden at left back sometimes!). Once Ness and Hector came into it in the second half of the season we were the 8th best team in league 1. Combine that with a weaker league and I don’t think we are very far off a top 6 side already. Leaburn and May are one of the best frontlines in the league (yes we need other options), our midfield is one of the best in the league, defence is the weak point at the moment but I don’t think it’s far off. 

    A left footed centre back would be great, but these are difficult to find and overpriced because of their value to any team playing 3 at the back. This should have been a priority position this summer but it might be that there isn’t anyone good enough that we can sign that fits the mould. Hopefully there is a PL loan left footed CB that we can bring in, but even then that’s quite risky bringing in a centre back who hasn’t played much senior football 
    We conceded 32 goals in our remaining 23 league games. All of which were in 2023. I believe 22 of the 23 did not have Lavelle or O’Connell and the only difference to the centre of defence was Inniss instead of Jones. We still had more experience in the defence last season than we do right now.

    The league might be easier this season, sure. However, we still need to find a way of conceding an average of 26 less goals than we did last season. The defence isn’t strong enough at present to do that.

    The average goals conceded of the 3 promoted teams last season was 40.

    I genuinely believe if we fail to address the issue in central defence, we will fail to achieve what we want and set out to.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,282
    Pfffft we've conceded an average of 0.00 goals this season in the league so far... All we gotta do is keep to that average and we'll be golden 😎
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    I also wonder how much the decision of Gallen to leave during the window is going to finder our business.

    Targets may have changed but there will also be players that we have wanted for a while. Gallen may have developed a rapport with some and other agents, now that has gone we could be starting from scratch in that department.

    I accept him leaving, just think at the end of the window might have been better for all.
    The timing of the change of regime has been unfortunate. If they arrived in March, then they would have hit the summer transfer window completely in control, and with targets already sorted, rather than the "two bosses" scenario we had at the beginning of the window, with TS still around.

    Similarly, it's not ideal that Gallen has left this month. Surely you'd want him to stay until the window closes to maintain some continuity?
    Continuity for what reason ? Scott is at least as experienced as SG and will want things done his way not by someone who is known to be leaving. I think SG was perfect as a transitional person when Scott first arrived in January. I doubt very much if he feels the need to be assisted at this point.
    I don’t think it’s about being or needing to have the assistance. I don’t think we can underestimate the degree of importance that having a relationship with others in the game or with agents and specific targets has on getting a deal done.

    Scott will have his network and relationships, my concern was have we cut our nose off to spite our face and have to start from zero with Gallen leaving 3 weeks before the window closes.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,177
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    I also wonder how much the decision of Gallen to leave during the window is going to finder our business.

    Targets may have changed but there will also be players that we have wanted for a while. Gallen may have developed a rapport with some and other agents, now that has gone we could be starting from scratch in that department.

    I accept him leaving, just think at the end of the window might have been better for all.
    The timing of the change of regime has been unfortunate. If they arrived in March, then they would have hit the summer transfer window completely in control, and with targets already sorted, rather than the "two bosses" scenario we had at the beginning of the window, with TS still around.

    Similarly, it's not ideal that Gallen has left this month. Surely you'd want him to stay until the window closes to maintain some continuity?
    Continuity for what reason ? Scott is at least as experienced as SG and will want things done his way not by someone who is known to be leaving. I think SG was perfect as a transitional person when Scott first arrived in January. I doubt very much if he feels the need to be assisted at this point.
    I don’t think it’s about being or needing to have the assistance. I don’t think we can underestimate the degree of importance that having a relationship with others in the game or with agents and specific targets has on getting a deal done.

    Scott will have his network and relationships, my concern was have we cut our nose off to spite our face and have to start from zero with Gallen leaving 3 weeks before the window closes.
    Id imagine there was a handover period to have discussions together with various clubs and agents
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    I also wonder how much the decision of Gallen to leave during the window is going to finder our business.

    Targets may have changed but there will also be players that we have wanted for a while. Gallen may have developed a rapport with some and other agents, now that has gone we could be starting from scratch in that department.

    I accept him leaving, just think at the end of the window might have been better for all.
    The timing of the change of regime has been unfortunate. If they arrived in March, then they would have hit the summer transfer window completely in control, and with targets already sorted, rather than the "two bosses" scenario we had at the beginning of the window, with TS still around.

    Similarly, it's not ideal that Gallen has left this month. Surely you'd want him to stay until the window closes to maintain some continuity?
    Continuity for what reason ? Scott is at least as experienced as SG and will want things done his way not by someone who is known to be leaving. I think SG was perfect as a transitional person when Scott first arrived in January. I doubt very much if he feels the need to be assisted at this point.
    I don’t think it’s about being or needing to have the assistance. I don’t think we can underestimate the degree of importance that having a relationship with others in the game or with agents and specific targets has on getting a deal done.

    Scott will have his network and relationships, my concern was have we cut our nose off to spite our face and have to start from zero with Gallen leaving 3 weeks before the window closes.
    Definitely both Gallen and Scott will have their own contacts but agents play as big a role as anyone these days. Every agent will exactly know what player positions we need and will without a doubt be banging on our door. I’m not sure why someone like Scott needs or would welcome the previous persons input. Managers come in with their own ideas and methods and stand or fall by their decisions. They had their transitional period. Scott is the man now. Gallen has gone.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,003
    Scott Banks signs new deal with Palace and goes abroad on loan
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,885
    Is gallen leaving really an issue this window?

    im assuming there will be a record of his list of players to watch and a hand over meeting?
  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 1,290
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    MrBurns said:
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
    Maybe 1 or 2 will need to move on first..

    Out of interest, if you sign a youth player on a long term contract, on a decent wage, does that work for FFP?

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,331
    Garrymanilow said:
    NabySarr said:
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Being brutally honest I’m more concerned about the defence than the attack. I think the attack will sort itself out but I’m worried that our back three / four are looking all over the place. We got away with it against Orient but we won’t against better teams. Hector and Ness in particular look shadows of last season. Early I know but the warning signs are there.
    Been saying for a while that you can’t expect to concede 20-30 less goals this season with largely the same defence that we had last season, the same one that conceded 66 goals.

    Take Hector out and in terms of actual quality, we very much lack any. We have young players who have done well in the main, some completely new to men’s first team football, but that’s not enough or good enough to make the difference required.

    Last two times we got out of League One, we had Morrison, Taylor, and Cort when we won the league and then Bauer, Pearce, Sarr, and Bielik in defence covering at times through play-offs.

    Thats the standard you need to get out this league.

    We have recruited well so far and we will bring in more players. It would be all for nothing if we do not sign another quality centre back because it’s the defence that will let us down this season if we don’t achieve what we all want and hope for.
    I agree we need a couple more defenders in but also disagree that our defence is THAT bad. This isn’t the defence that finished 10th, we had Lavelle or O’Connell partnering Inniss for the first half of the season (with Chin and Clayden at left back sometimes!). Once Ness and Hector came into it in the second half of the season we were the 8th best team in league 1. Combine that with a weaker league and I don’t think we are very far off a top 6 side already. Leaburn and May are one of the best frontlines in the league (yes we need other options), our midfield is one of the best in the league, defence is the weak point at the moment but I don’t think it’s far off. 

    A left footed centre back would be great, but these are difficult to find and overpriced because of their value to any team playing 3 at the back. This should have been a priority position this summer but it might be that there isn’t anyone good enough that we can sign that fits the mould. Hopefully there is a PL loan left footed CB that we can bring in, but even then that’s quite risky bringing in a centre back who hasn’t played much senior football 
    It's interesting how quickly people have turned on Ness. He was a real breakthrough last season playing at LCB alongside Inniss and Hector and we were all really happy with him. Then he got injured and had a couple of slightly ropey pre-season games and he's not really being considered as a good player anymore. He's only 21 and he looked a real prospect last season. I think I'd include him in the list of decent defenders we have going forward rather than piling him in with the worst of last season's dross
    He's a good defender. He just happened to have more unchallenged possession than the rest of our team combined against Orient, and he was clearly deeply uncomfortable with the situation
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,054
    DubaiCAFC said:
    MrBurns said:
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
    Maybe 1 or 2 will need to move on first..

    Out of interest, if you sign a youth player on a long term contract, on a decent wage, does that work for FFP?

    Not sure how it works with U21s not counting towards a squad limit , I think it should be all okay. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,466
    DubaiCAFC said:
    MrBurns said:
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
    Maybe 1 or 2 will need to move on first..

    Out of interest, if you sign a youth player on a long term contract, on a decent wage, does that work for FFP?
     What if they don't want to?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,177
    Would be amazed if FFP was an issue for us, counted over multiple years and we haven’t spent a huge amount. Holden wanting a smaller squad is more likely to be an issue for us in terms of incomings. On outgoings we’re going to do well to get decent deals as I think everyone knows we’re desperate to get rid of certain players 
  • CAFCDAZ
    CAFCDAZ Posts: 1,199
    DubaiCAFC said:
    MrBurns said:
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
    Maybe 1 or 2 will need to move on first..

    Out of interest, if you sign a youth player on a long term contract, on a decent wage, does that work for FFP?
    i've heard the same, 2 to go in the next week or so. Hoping it's Kirk and DJ tbh
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,054
    Would expect DJ and Egbo to go assuming Asiimwe is fit for Saturday. Kirk will be a last few days one 
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,653
    carly burn said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    MrBurns said:
    Looks like we have no one signing now for the weekend. Really hope we have a few lined up next week.
    Maybe 1 or 2 will need to move on first..

    Out of interest, if you sign a youth player on a long term contract, on a decent wage, does that work for FFP?
     What if they don't want to?
    Then Charlton Life goes into melt down!
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Leuth said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    NabySarr said:
    Sage said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Being brutally honest I’m more concerned about the defence than the attack. I think the attack will sort itself out but I’m worried that our back three / four are looking all over the place. We got away with it against Orient but we won’t against better teams. Hector and Ness in particular look shadows of last season. Early I know but the warning signs are there.
    Been saying for a while that you can’t expect to concede 20-30 less goals this season with largely the same defence that we had last season, the same one that conceded 66 goals.

    Take Hector out and in terms of actual quality, we very much lack any. We have young players who have done well in the main, some completely new to men’s first team football, but that’s not enough or good enough to make the difference required.

    Last two times we got out of League One, we had Morrison, Taylor, and Cort when we won the league and then Bauer, Pearce, Sarr, and Bielik in defence covering at times through play-offs.

    Thats the standard you need to get out this league.

    We have recruited well so far and we will bring in more players. It would be all for nothing if we do not sign another quality centre back because it’s the defence that will let us down this season if we don’t achieve what we all want and hope for.
    I agree we need a couple more defenders in but also disagree that our defence is THAT bad. This isn’t the defence that finished 10th, we had Lavelle or O’Connell partnering Inniss for the first half of the season (with Chin and Clayden at left back sometimes!). Once Ness and Hector came into it in the second half of the season we were the 8th best team in league 1. Combine that with a weaker league and I don’t think we are very far off a top 6 side already. Leaburn and May are one of the best frontlines in the league (yes we need other options), our midfield is one of the best in the league, defence is the weak point at the moment but I don’t think it’s far off. 

    A left footed centre back would be great, but these are difficult to find and overpriced because of their value to any team playing 3 at the back. This should have been a priority position this summer but it might be that there isn’t anyone good enough that we can sign that fits the mould. Hopefully there is a PL loan left footed CB that we can bring in, but even then that’s quite risky bringing in a centre back who hasn’t played much senior football 
    It's interesting how quickly people have turned on Ness. He was a real breakthrough last season playing at LCB alongside Inniss and Hector and we were all really happy with him. Then he got injured and had a couple of slightly ropey pre-season games and he's not really being considered as a good player anymore. He's only 21 and he looked a real prospect last season. I think I'd include him in the list of decent defenders we have going forward rather than piling him in with the worst of last season's dross
    He's a good defender. He just happened to have more unchallenged possession than the rest of our team combined against Orient, and he was clearly deeply uncomfortable with the situation
    So good under pressure.
    All we have to do is make sure our midfielders make themselves available a bit quicker and we’ve cracked it.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,978
    People should look at ythe start of last season.
    The late signings were not fit to play and the majority did start playing until a quarter of the season had gone. This does of course include out of  contract players who had nor played for months. I fear we are going down the same route.

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