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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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BigDiddy said:
That would be great, but he looks too good for L1.SwingForward said:Anyone think Burstow may come back on loan ??
They may even loan Burstow out to a lower prem club?
Burstow looks ready for a Championship loan now he is not a teenager. Needs to play every week.
Now 20.
Rak-Saki needed League 1 last season as he was a baller in Youth football and needed to experience men's football. Now JRS is ready for a Championship loan.
Now 20
Kwadwo Baah was going to make his premier debut 5 managers ago at Watford ! but got taken out in training and then after his ankle mended was sent to Fortuna Düsseldorf on loan but didn't play enough.
A very talented two footed forward who may be slightly crazy but cafc saw against Rochdale when he was 17 he can strike the ball with power.
Burton in League 1 may get his career back on track.
Now 20.2 -
But we did that in spite of having Josh Parker, and the transfer options were so limited because Roland owned us. We're meant to be past having those sorts of windows aren't we?LonelyNorthernAddick said:
I understand your point, but we won the play off final with Josh Parker up front who did little more than "a job".North Lower Neil said:
Fed up of players who might "do a job", it leads to mid table mediocrity every time.NabySarr said:I think Cosgrove would do a job, which could be all we need as we do have Leaburn and May which if they stay fit is easily enough goals if Cosgrove can contribute like he did for Plymouth.
If it is a striker from Birmingham I would much rather it be Jutkiewicz. Even at 34 he’d do well at this level and help us in both boxes
I want players who are quality for us.
Not convinced on Cosgrove, scoring record in England is poor.
Had a look through forums of previous clubs - Plymouth one suggested he was good when he came on v tired defences for 20 mins, bad when he started.
Aberdeen, where he actually scored a few, weren't impressed. Two quotes:
'Regardless of how many goals he scored for us he was honestly fucking shite'
'Jayden Stockley was a better player and he was shite.'
Shrewsbury after his time there had people calling him second rate.
Birmingham comments weren't great (admittedly a league up), and they suggest he's been injured most of the summer.
Hopefully proven wrong and it works for him here if he arrives, but it's not a signing that I'm excited about at all, feels like the cheap option again rather than the good option.
That said by all means Cosgrove doesn't sound like the answer at the minute.2 -
Chelsea would need to sign a striker before he’d be allowed out. Even then I think they might keep him till January with Nkunku out for a while. If he went out now he’d probably go to league 1 and we’d obviously have a very good chance. After another 6 months developing at Chelsea and training with the first team he might be able to get a championship loan in JanuarySwingForward said:Anyone think Burstow may come back on loan ??0 -
Yes but Stockley can't even move any more.shuffles67 said:So we let stockley go and now we are trying to bring in a stockley wanna be with a less than impressive scoring record0 -
He been on their bench this season so can’t be that injuredValley11 said:
Agree but as @North Lower Neil says, some of the comments on the Birmingham forums are scathing. And they reckon he’s been injured.ButtleJR said:We haven't signed him yet and I'd imagine if we do he will come on for miles (when fit) in the last 20 mins, where he has been effective in the past. I genuinely think we just need someone to win the ball upfront and to occupy a CB to make space for may. Do that and chip in with the odd goal and he's done his job in my eyes.0 -
No thanksBigDiddy said:
That would be great, but he looks too good for L1.SwingForward said:Anyone think Burstow may come back on loan ??
They may even loan Burstow out to a lower prem club?0 -
Yescarly burn said:Is that the Cosgrove that was part of a squad that romped league one last season?0 -
redbuttle said:
Yes but Stockley can't even move any more.shuffles67 said:So we let stockley go and now we are trying to bring in a stockley wanna be with a less than impressive scoring record
If DH wants him then DH will get him ? he knows how he wants to playredbuttle said:
Yes but Stockley can't even move any more.shuffles67 said:So we let stockley go and now we are trying to bring in a stockley wanna be with a less than impressive scoring record1 -
Premier league starlets generally don't have the physical strength to play the target man role, that's something you play when you've bulked up and learned how to battle defenders.Scoham said:
I get that, just concerned he’s one of those average players lifted by playing in a very good Plymouth team. I think we can potentially find better with a young Prem loanee - it’s more of a gamble but if it works you can end up with a player who by the end of the season is too good for L1. With this squad I don’t think we’ll get promoted if our last few signings are players who “can do a job”.Garrymanilow said:People are very harsh on Cosgrove but I don't know if people have looked into his contributions beyond his goal record. I think there's a general negativity towards big lump type strikers even when they're effective, people want mobile goalscorers. What we need is players who can work together though and May needs a player who can help the ball stick up top before it gets to him. We've got a 20 goal striker in the line-up, we need someone to chip in with a few himself and provide for May. Leaburn will do that when he's fit but we need an alternative too as we've seen. Cosgrove had a really good season for Plymouth. 8 goals and 2 assists in 1,307 minutes, which is a goal every 163 minutes. A goal every 1.8 full games, that's pretty good for a player primarily used for impact or as a rotation option. Plymouth brought him on a lot, he started 13 games of 33, scoring in 3 of those starts and getting both assists in 2 of them. His contributions when he came on were generally game-changing, including getting 2 goals against Derby despite only being on for 15 minutes. His goals were the odd goal in 4 games, 5 if you count the one where he got a goal and an assist in a 3-1 win. For a player who was mostly used to come on and change games he actually had a very effective season and contributed to a team that ran away with the L1 title. He might look like a galoot and not get pulses racing but we need a rotation option for Leaburn who seems to be quite injury prone and I think bringing in the bloke who did that job effectively for the league champions wouldn't be the daftest move going to be honest.
Miles Leaburn hold up play last season wasn't that effective, as it's part of his game he's still learning. He could easily play alongside a Cosgrove type, as the rest of his game is so good.3 -
Deffo thisbillysboots said:
Or we signed May instead and it was one or the other ?sam3110 said:But offering 500k in June or now doesn't change the fact Exeter think he's worth more than that and Charlton don't?1 - Sponsored links:
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Thisgolfaddick said:
Certainly not ITK but the message being put out after Leaburn got injured was that we had previously bid for May & the offer was "on the table". We then went back that week & increased our offer & it was accepted. Leaburn was injured on the sat & full extent of it known on the Tues. May signed 3 days later.billysboots said:
Or we signed May instead and it was one or the other ?sam3110 said:But offering 500k in June or now doesn't change the fact Exeter think he's worth more than that and Charlton don't?
My feeling is that we were going to sign 1 of Nombe/May/JCH/Ladapo. Our hand was forced & Cheltenham played ball.
I firmly believe we wont be signing another "known" striker and anyone else signed to play up front will be a Prem loanee.1 -
So we bid for Nombe. Enquired about JCH and Ladapo and now we’re desperate so are looking, hoping, praying (?) to sign Cosgrove who won’t work out cheaply and has a less than impressive record. Exciting new era my arse.14
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That's a glass half empty approach. The glass half full approach is that he has scored double the amount of goals as albie morgan 😂Chris_from_Sidcup said:If you take out his two good seasons at Aberdeen, Cosgrove has 12 goals in 126 league games. As a striker.
In comparison that's only 6 more than Albie Morgan from the same number of games.7 -
Something we have missed since Stockley leaving is how he helped us when defending set pieces. If we are going to sign a back-up/cover for Leaburn they need to be able to help us out defensively in these areas.1
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Not against a Prem/champ young loanee at all but they tend to be smaller quicker strikers than target man types.
Unless it's someone like a Josh Coburn from Middlesbrough0 -
The funny thing is that Stockley would have suited this current formation well, especially as he would only be the back up to Leaburn as the partner for May. The main issue with Stockley was how immobile he was and playing him up front on his own made that very obvious.1
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Blackpool look as though they've missed out on Cosgrove:
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I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.6 -
Pretty much what I said a few weeks back and got pelters from lots hereShootersHillGuru said:So we bid for Nombe. Enquired about JCH and Ladapo and now we’re desperate so are looking, hoping, praying (?) to sign Cosgrove who won’t work out cheaply and has a less than impressive record. Exciting new era my arse.0 -
Yep I agree a young player like that is harder to find, but if the budget is there to attract the better loanees (questionable whether it is of course) I would imagine we’ve explored the options available for that role.MarcusH26 said:Not against a Prem/champ young loanee at all but they tend to be smaller quicker strikers than target man types.
Unless it's someone like a Josh Coburn from Middlesbrough
I get the arguments for signing Cosgrove, I just wouldn’t be as confident he’d replicate what he did in a very good Plymouth side. If he was that effective they’d probably have wanted to bring him back.
I also don’t see him coming here with the intention of covering Leaburn. There seems to be plenty of L1 interest, he’ll be going somehow to get regular football.
Strikers shouldn’t only be judged on goals but we need players to fit what we’re trying to build. We obviously need height and strength up front, but we don’t need another Stockley who’s immobile and can’t play his part in the press - if one player can’t support it then it can quickly fall apart. We’ve intentionally gone for mobile players this summer, does Cosgrove offer that and if not is he good enough for it to not be much of an issue?1 - Sponsored links:
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He wouldn’t though as he’s no longer the player he was. His record at Fleetwood is continuing to prove that. Playing him on his own just made it more obvious - he did the same under Adkins and scored enough to convince us to sign him permanently. Selling him as the right decision while he still had a decent reputation as a goalscorer.Covered_End_Lad said:The funny thing is that Stockley would have suited this current formation well, especially as he would only be the back up to Leaburn as the partner for May. The main issue with Stockley was how immobile he was and playing him up front on his own made that very obvious.2 -
I don't mind a striker who doesn't score loads if they have great link up play and keep defenders busy. The problem with Cosgrove is that the fans of every club he's played for say he's lazy and doesn't put himself about anywhere near as much as he should for a big man.0
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Fine with Cosgrove - we just need a tall striker to back up Leaburn and Aneke (yes I know)0
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Yeah and I don’t mind goalkeepers that can’t save!Smithy said:I don't mind a striker who doesn't score loads if they have great link up play and keep defenders busy. The problem with Cosgrove is that the fans of every club he's played for say he's lazy and doesn't put himself about anywhere near as much as he should for a big man.
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good partnerships rely on both scoring, Bright etc would chip in their fair share1 -
Are we all now willing to accept mediocrity?5
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SDAddick said:
This. 1000% this. We have four senior CBs who have shown they can perform in this league, and in two cases, the league above. We have two talented young CBs as cover. We aren't shipping goals or ceding possession because one of our CBs isn't left footed. We're doing it because our CBs are getting isolated 1-v-1 with forwards far too often. And that isn't a failure of the CBs (how they handle it sometimes is), it's a failure of team structure and setup.Garrymanilow said:I don't think a new centre back is really going to help that much. It can't hurt, but I think getting a functional defensive system is far more important than the individual players, as long as they're up to a certain standard. Our friends Paddy McCarthy and Simon Francis are evidence of that; are they secretly great players who we ruined or are they players who slotted in to a system that worked and were able to play beyond themselves? Who had Chris Basham and Jack O'Connell down as top level Premier League centre backs before they briefly found their system as overlapping centre backs? Our biggest issue for years has been the gaps that open up between the lines and runners arriving late in our box completely unattended. Teams can drive through the middle or in that gap between the full back and centre back and get at us, and players drift into the box unmarked to get a free shot at goal. We haven't been coherent out of possession or in transition for years and what Holden really needs to work on is why that is and drill methods of dealing with it into the players. Getting in two quality wing backs who can read the defensive side of the game is part of it, and Dabo and Edun could be those players, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the longer term plan is to have both Dobson and Taylor sitting to provide that extra bit of cover. Then we can move as a unit and if everyone has cover and numbers around them defensively then suddenly the exposure to the opportunities to have an individual error immediately leading to a goal will reduce, That will take time and we haven't seen huge evidence of it yet, but Holden needs to get it right because it will be what defines his time with us, whether he can stop the constant shipping of goals the moment something goes wrong with the ball
CBs is one of the areas (along with midfield) where I think just about every other team in the division is envious of us. It's very good for League One.
Terrell Thomas made 2 appearances for reading in the championship. Lolyd Jones 4 for Luton bit of a push to say they performed there! Hector, Thomas, Ness and Jones performed to a 10th and 20th finish in league one last season.
We only have 3 experienced centre backs. Hector (341 apps) is the stand out but is still getting up to speed, it's then Thomas (171 apps) and Jones (165 apps). Backed up by Ness (48 apps) and Deji (37 apps) Hector picks up a big injury then we're not looking so smart at the back. Thomas and Jones still have less appearances than hector combined.
Yep they all need to learn to defend better as a unit and maybe Dabo will make a difference if he signs but, I doubt every other team in the division are envious of our CB's, having hector as an option maybe but the whole lot, as a unit, not so much.
We need a better option than Thomas and Jones in there, we won't get it, but we most definitely do need it in (my opinion)3 -
I’ve never seen Cosgrove and have no idea if he’s any good. He did finish second in the Scottish premier’s scoring charts to Morelos a few years back though.Redhenry said:Are we all now willing to accept mediocrity?“His 17 Premiership goals placed him second only to Rangers' Alfredo Morelos (18) as top scorer.”0 -
I’m keeping a candle lit for that Chucks Aneke bloke.2
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what do you mean 'now'?Redhenry said:Are we all now willing to accept mediocrity?4 -
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.0
