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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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I hope you're right if he signs.cafcsinger said:
Cosgrove would be a decent signing imoNorth Lower Neil said:
How dare we hope to sign a decent striker rather than any striker! The nerve!!cafcsinger said:It's boring how negative people are. Sign a striker, no not that one...0 -
Who’s view on Cosgrove do I rate higher, some random on Charlton Life, or Steven Schumacher3
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Looks alright to me - big, mobile, knows where the net is - unfulfilled potential maybe - get him in !!5
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So it’s not important that “the striker” we sign can’t do what’s needed as long as we sign one ? Happy with Bonne or Stockley coming back ?cafcsinger said:It's boring how negative people are. Sign a striker, no not that one...1 -
The fans of most of his previous clubs?Rothko said:Who’s view on Cosgrove do I rate higher, some random on Charlton Life, or Steven Schumacher
I hope he does well of he signs, but I'm worried.2 -
So did Izal McLeod in his 'Best of' YouTube vid.GetYerCoreyOut said:
Don't see why people are complaining, he looks really good.Garrymanilow said:Scoham said:
We have to consider if them having some pace is what helped get the best out of May. He might not be as effective alongside a slower striker who can’t press alongside him, take over from running the channels or in behind when he drops deep etc.sam3110 said:
Nlundulu I'd say was a bit pacier from the limited highlights I've seen of him. Keena was more plodding, and at 6 foot whilst bigger than May wasn't a full blown target man, more like a Josh Davison type I reckonScoham said:
Height and strength is something we need in a striker, but also more mobility than a traditional target man like Stockley. How do those two compare when it comes to pace?sam3110 said:FWIW last season May played up front with Nlundulu first half of the season, and Keena second half. They scored 10 goals between them. He got 20. They were both physically stronger players with a bit of height.
I have no idea how well Cosgrove will do if he comes here, but I'm not so dismissive of him as some seem to beHe doesn't look like too much of a slouch here. He doesn't look like he's particularly slow and he's in front of the play to provide an option unlike Stockley who tended to be trying to catch up to it. He's alongside his strike partner to receive an assist, sets up one when his partner runs off him and he looks like he's quite good at gobbling up rebounds which a slower striker who can't keep up with the play wouldn't be able to do. I haven't seen enough of him to say but other than the close range header you wouldn't see Stockley scoring any of those goals these days
So good, that Pardew went and bought him.
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Na he's definitely not as bad as some people seem to think. I don't think he's that similar to Stockley tbf other than being tall and blonde. He's way more of a natural finisher and is fair bit quicker. He won't win as many headers on either ends as Stockley, but he will still be a physical threat up top and help us from set pieces. Third goal in there was very smartGarrymanilow said:Scoham said:
We have to consider if them having some pace is what helped get the best out of May. He might not be as effective alongside a slower striker who can’t press alongside him, take over from running the channels or in behind when he drops deep etc.sam3110 said:
Nlundulu I'd say was a bit pacier from the limited highlights I've seen of him. Keena was more plodding, and at 6 foot whilst bigger than May wasn't a full blown target man, more like a Josh Davison type I reckonScoham said:
Height and strength is something we need in a striker, but also more mobility than a traditional target man like Stockley. How do those two compare when it comes to pace?sam3110 said:FWIW last season May played up front with Nlundulu first half of the season, and Keena second half. They scored 10 goals between them. He got 20. They were both physically stronger players with a bit of height.
I have no idea how well Cosgrove will do if he comes here, but I'm not so dismissive of him as some seem to beHe doesn't look like too much of a slouch here. He doesn't look like he's particularly slow and he's in front of the play to provide an option unlike Stockley who tended to be trying to catch up to it. He's alongside his strike partner to receive an assist, sets up one when his partner runs off him and he looks like he's quite good at gobbling up rebounds which a slower striker who can't keep up with the play wouldn't be able to do. I haven't seen enough of him to say but other than the close range header you wouldn't see Stockley scoring any of those goals these days
It could be a season defining signing if it comes off, one way or another..1 -
Would be very Charlton if after the last 10 pages being devoted to the rights and wrongs of Sam Cosgrove we find it’s not him we’re getting. What time is the 24 hours up ?8
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He looks much more of a Magennis than a Stockley, which is not a bad thing2
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Who? Rhodes hasn’t scored many in recent years.golfaddick said:
I think I know who I'd rather have.charlton_hero said:Blackpool look as though they've missed out on Cosgrove:
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Squad player in a team that got promoted - same thing we need him for thenScoham said:
Schumacher didn’t rate him enough to sign him for their Championship season though and he was a squad player for him in L1.Rothko said:Who’s view on Cosgrove do I rate higher, some random on Charlton Life, or Steven Schumacher3 -
162 updates. Have we signed anyone?2
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If he helps get us promoted then I doubt anyone will be bothered if he's not good enough for the Championship next season...Scoham said:
Schumacher didn’t rate him enough to sign him for their Championship season though and he was a squad player for him in L1.Rothko said:Who’s view on Cosgrove do I rate higher, some random on Charlton Life, or Steven Schumacher1 -
This is our new quality assurance sign for the CL Transfer Rumours thread...MrBurns said:162 updates. Have we signed anyone?
Well definately me anyway!
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Not even a squad player... he played most games for themTeeC said:
Squad player in a team that got promoted - same thing we need him for thenScoham said:
Schumacher didn’t rate him enough to sign him for their Championship season though and he was a squad player for him in L1.Rothko said:Who’s view on Cosgrove do I rate higher, some random on Charlton Life, or Steven Schumacher0 -
And what if he replicates his Wimbledon form from the year before? 1 in 17!!!!!sam3110 said:If Cosgrove replicates his scoring last season with us, and plays the remaining 42 games, he'll get 10 goals.
If he's signed to be alongside May, who has scored 20 goals and 23 goals in the last 2 seasons, and he replicates that too, that's the 30-35 goals between them!
So you want them to do exactly what they did separately last season, together, but apparently that's not good enough?!
Some right bollocks spouted on here recently, mostly by people who don't actually bother looking how players have done and just jumping on the "he's shite" bandwagon
he will score 2.5 goals!
is that enough looking at how he has done? Or shall we go back another year when he also had a shit record?
Plymouth got promoted, Wimbledon relegated. Taking his record for both and the fact we are slap bag average, he is on course for 7 goals for us! Is that good for a player in his position?0 -
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.0 -
Tick the box - If Cosgrove or whoever can be the foil for May to be prolific yet againGarrymanilow said:
But who said he doesn't score goals? That's just not accurate. He scored 8 goals last season playing mostly as an impact sub and was the champions' 4th highest goalscorer. Yann got 12 in 2011/12 playing more than twice the minutes Cosgrove did. Hayes wasn't prolific either, but they both helped supply BWP to get 22 goals and contributed to the team with more than goals. If people think we're going to be playing two strikers who score 20 goals each then they're going to be very disappointed, it's just not realistic.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
Tick the box - If Cosgrove or whoever can himself score 10 + goals
Tick the box - If Cosgrove or whoever can be an impact player
Tick the box - If Cosgrove or whoever has good hold up play and brings others into play
Tick the box - If Cosgrove or whoever can make the ball stick up front, instead of it coming straight back causing us defensive problems
Summary: It's exactly the type of player we've been missing.
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It is quite literally a stat that gave a team top of the division so I guess you're rightElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.7 -
Although, Naby ...... Dean Holden has said he wants a small tight squad.NabySarr said:
Both had poor loans though, so that’s why there is little interest. I suspect both will go at the end of the window as our demands on the loan club paying wages drop further.shirty5 said:
The same as January when we loaned the pair of them out along with Lavelle and McGrandles.soapy_jones said:
Spotted shirty5. How the fuck will we get rid of that dog dirt?shirty5 said:Today’s South London Press
Bar Lavelle who’s left, would not be surprised to see the 3 of them loaned out once again.No one with any sense is going to want any of them on a permanent deal with the wages they are on.We will end up paying them quite a bit to play for someone else so we might even just decide to keep them in case of an injury crisis
I can't see that there's much desireto hold on to experienced squad players unhappy they can't get a game.
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Which is why you should never go by games played in isolation to assess a player's goalscoring record. Cosgrove played 33 times but some of his appearances were as short as a minute. That skews the numbers completely. He had 5 appearances that were of 5 minutes or under and 7 that were between 6 and 17 mins. He actually got 4 of his goals in those shortish appearances which displays his effect as an impact player. If you just take minutes played it's a goal every 1.8 games. That's also not the full picture as realistically I doubt he'd continue that ratio across a 46 game season if he played every minute but just seeing 8 in 33 and being done with it doesn't even tell you half the story. What he looks like based on the numbers is a player who can start and be useful, but is also very effective at attacking tiring defenders. That to me says that he's good enough to start in Leaburn's absence and would then be a very useful weapon when Leaburn is fit again to come on for him and cause some chaos. At the moment one of our biggest problems is you look at our bench and there's children and centre backs and not a lot else. A striker who scares defenders late on would be very welcomeElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
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Depends on his overall impact on the team, though.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
If he makes the ball stick up front, links up well and his hold up play brings others into play, improves our set piece play both attacking and defensive, takes attention away from May and provides assists ...... well, right now, we're lacking all of that.0 -
that’s 1 in 4 mainly off the bench. a more useful stat is goals per minutes which is 1 per 140ish minutes. that would translate to 1 goal per about 1 and a half games which is far from woefulElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.4 -
1 in 4 is woeful... if that was his only role and the only source of goals in the team. 1 in 4 is not bad for an impact sub/big guy whose main responsibility is making sure the ball gets to striker like May.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
Cosgrove as an individual player will not ever score enough goals to get a team promoted. But that's not to say he can't be part of an effective team overall3 -
I suppose one redeeming feature is that he played for Plymouth last year. With the way they like to play football, I don't think they would have signed a large, immobile, un-technical oaf.
He played 1400 minutes for them (so let's say around 15 games in total) and scored 8 goals with 2 assists.
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We think we have a problem removing about three players to other clubs that DH does not want, because others clubs do not want them and they are on good money. Arsenal are rumoured to have seven players training on their own because they are not required and other clubs are not interested and imagine the wages they are on0
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Scoring frequency last season:
Miles Leaburn: 152 mins per goal (1820 mins played)
Alfie May: 168 mins per goal (3354 mins played)
Sam Cosgrove: 166 mins per goal (1320 mins played)
Jayden Stockley: 596 mins per goal (2982 mins played)
Macauley Bonne: 375 mins per goal (752 mins played)
But yeah, Cosgrove *only* scored eight so he must be crap. People aren’t recognising that he was a back up option at his club, exactly what we need him to be, and his last club got promoted as champions.Cosgrove is 26 and entering his supposedly prime years. But nah, rather sign Jordan Rhodes who’s seven years older and very much on the decline.
Seriously don’t understand some of the toys being thrown out of the pram. Sign a striker, no that one’s not sexy enough.44 -
Assuming Cosgrove is coming in then we will soon find out how effective he is and to be fair for every poster called a "whiner", "moaner" or "never happy" there are equally posters on here who talk about every signing like they are the missing link in making us an unbeatable team, a lot of which posters who probably were extremely excited about Kirk & Jaiyesimi, two players we literally cannot give away.
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