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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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I don't get why people think we need a back-up option, off the bench type.
We need a starter, if that means it takes Miles Leaburn time to try and get back in, so be it.4 -
100% mate. We haven’t got time to presume Miles goes straight back in the starting 11. Once fit he will have to win the place back that’s surely how things should workNorth Lower Neil said:I don't get why people think we need a back-up option, off the bench type.
We need a starter, if that means it takes Miles Leaburn time to try and get back in, so be it.2 -
If Cosgrove continues scoring at 166 mins per goal and Miles displaces him from the side, making Cosgrove a back up, Miles must be doing something very good.North Lower Neil said:I don't get why people think we need a back-up option, off the bench type.
We need a starter, if that means it takes Miles Leaburn time to try and get back in, so be it.3 -
Is it toys being thrown out of the pram? I see it as a debate whether Cosgrove is definitely a great signing or only one that might be.Callumcafc said:Scoring frequency last season:
Miles Leaburn: 152 mins per goal (1820 mins played)
Alfie May: 168 mins per goal (3354 mins played)
Sam Cosgrove: 166 mins per goal (1320 mins played)
Jayden Stockley: 596 mins per goal (2982 mins played)
Macauley Bonne: 375 mins per goal (752 mins played)
But yeah, Cosgrove *only* scored eight so he must be crap. People aren’t recognising that he was a back up option at his club, exactly what we need him to be, and his last club got promoted as champions.Rather sign Jordan Rhodes who’s seven years older and very much on the decline.
Seriously don’t understand some of the toys being thrown out of the pram. Sign a striker, no that one’s not sexy enough.
He’s 6 ft 3 / 6 ft 4 so I questioned how mobile he is, there aren’t many strikers with that height who don’t lack pace and play at our level.
There’s a risk that last season was a purple patch like Bonne had in the Championship for us.
On the other hand he’s 26 and the best years of his career could be coming up.
I think based on his record it’s fair to question these things. I’m not writing him off, but I’m also not as certain as others are that he’ll be exactly what we need.2 -
We need anybody who is capable of doing a competant job right now.North Lower Neil said:I don't get why people think we need a back-up option, off the bench type.
We need a starter, if that means it takes Miles Leaburn time to try and get back in, so be it.
If he proves to be the best option, he stays in the team. Otherwise, he's cover and impact player.
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Where did you see him play? I was intrigued when he came on the other day as sub, but not sure he had any involvement.BigDiddy said:
That would be great, but he looks too good for L1.SwingForward said:Anyone think Burstow may come back on loan ??
They may even loan Burstow out to a lower prem club?0 -
1 in 4 not woeful by a long shot .. at Aberdeen was better then 1 in 3thenewbie said:
1 in 4 is woeful... if that was his only role and the only source of goals in the team. 1 in 4 is not bad for an impact sub/big guy whose main responsibility is making sure the ball gets to striker like May.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
Cosgrove as an individual player will not ever score enough goals to get a team promoted. But that's not to say he can't be part of an effective team overall2 -
Cosgrove did look sufficiently mobile in his Argyle video, able to accelerate and not afraid to shoot on the run.Chunes said:I suppose one redeeming feature is that he played for Plymouth last year. With the way they like to play football, I don't think they would have signed a large, immobile, un-technical oaf.
He played 1400 minutes for them (so let's say around 15 games in total) and scored 8 goals with 2 assists.
Moved well putting himself in some good scoring positions also, attacking the ball and positive with his finishing.
I was pleasantly surprised uit of course, it's his 'Goals' video.
We've yet to see his 'Catalogue of Horrendous Misses' video.
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IF Leaburn is match fit by mid September he will only miss 2 L1 games, I don't count Oxford, and one of them might be postponed due to the international break, we also have Kanu available so why rush to bring in a forward who might not be suitable in the long term. Having said that I have no idea of the suitability of Cosgrove but some of you seem to doubt him.0
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It’s also unfair to say 1 in 4 when you’re playing 20 mins per game. His goal scoring record last season was fine, the season before not so good.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.0 - Sponsored links:
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I keep hearing Wigan might get called off but what international call ups do we expect?0
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To be fair, I remember thinking at the time that Kirk was good business. He was on fire with Crewe and looked destined for a move to another good side.ValleyBen said:Assuming Cosgrove is coming in then we will soon find out how effective he is and to be fair for every poster called a "whiner", "moaner" or "never happy" there are equally posters on here who talk about every signing like they are the missing link in making us an unbeatable team, a lot of which posters who probably were extremely excited about Kirk & Jaiyesimi, two players we literally cannot give away.Leicester fans couldn't wait to ship us Kermorgant when we got him. Yet he turned out to be one of our most popular players of the last 20 odd years.Let's just hope if it is Cosgrove that he clicks in our system (whatever that turned out to be)4 -
We needed Cosgrove or similar a month ago.Oggy Red said:
We need anybody who is capable of doing a competant job right now.North Lower Neil said:I don't get why people think we need a back-up option, off the bench type.
We need a starter, if that means it takes Miles Leaburn time to try and get back in, so be it.
If he proves to be the best option, he stays in the team. Otherwise, he's cover and impact player.
And it's not as Miles is ready to return anyway. He's not returned to training yet, and having missed pre-season will have to be eased back slowly, so I wouldn't expect him to be starting games until say the end of September.2 -
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It is quite literally a stat that gave a team top of the division so I guess you're rightElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.I have to respectfully disagree here, nobody is going to tell me a ratio of one in four is good enough.Ideally two strikers would achieve 30 goals in a season between them to give a team a chance of success.0 -
Our four internationals that are signing this week.LargeAddick said:I keep hearing Wigan might get called off but what international call ups do we expect?6 -
Oggy Red said:
Depends on his overall impact on the team, though.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
If he makes the ball stick up front, links up well and his hold up play brings others into play, improves our set piece play both attacking and defensive, takes attention away from May and provides assists ...... well, right now, we're lacking all of that.
I'll give you that as an overall package, but the ratio is shocking.
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fenaddick said:
that’s 1 in 4 mainly off the bench. a more useful stat is goals per minutes which is 1 per 140ish minutes. that would translate to 1 goal per about 1 and a half games which is far from woefulElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
Well, we might see for ourselves shortly.
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Think you’re missing my point. It was a reply to the post that said Cosgrove doesn’t need to score goals. He really does!Garrymanilow said:
But who said he doesn't score goals? That's just not accurate. He scored 8 goals last season playing mostly as an impact sub and was the champions' 4th highest goalscorer. Yann got 12 in 2011/12 playing more than twice the minutes Cosgrove did. Hayes wasn't prolific either, but they both helped supply BWP to get 22 goals and contributed to the team with more than goals. If people think we're going to be playing two strikers who score 20 goals each then they're going to be very disappointed, it's just not realistic.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.I know nothing about Cosgrove so don’t really have an opinion, whether he’s any good or not tbf0 -
AMB, Thomas possibly Hector called up?0
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thenewbie said:
1 in 4 is woeful... if that was his only role and the only source of goals in the team. 1 in 4 is not bad for an impact sub/big guy whose main responsibility is making sure the ball gets to striker like May.ElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.
Cosgrove as an individual player will not ever score enough goals to get a team promoted. But that's not to say he can't be part of an effective team overall
As the once great Brian Clough said, "if you are a striker your job is to score goals, if you are a defender your job is to keep them out".
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Think it would be call ups for Wigan not usLargeAddick said:I keep hearing Wigan might get called off but what international call ups do we expect?2 -
Goals are a strikers stock in trade. Without a good return you’re always likely to get criticism. Harking back a few years now but a certain Carl Leaburn, remember him ? Carl often divided opinion and yet played 322 games for us scoring 53 goals at a ratio of around 1 in 6. Not the greatest return for a striker. Alan Curbishley was no mug and realised that what Carl offered at number 9 was more than just a goal threat. Now I’m not saying Cosgrove has that about him or not, but personally I’d take a 25 year old Carl Leaburn like a shot.0
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Has Cosgrove signed or has anyone trustworthy suggested he might?
C Campbell came out of the blue so I predict Ladapo F to start for us tomorrow0 -
Apparently there’s interest in McGrandles https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/08/25/exclusive-charlton-athletic-midfielder-set-to-depart/7
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Josh Parker started the 2019 playoff final remember. Sam Cosgrove would be fine in the right team - if he occupies defenders so other players can thrive, that is one way to be more effective. It's a team sport11
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I think it's a bit of a shame with McGrandles as I suspect there's a player in there if he had a run of games, but then I don't think he'll get that, and if no one is interested in Kirk or DJ and if we need players out before we can bring them (which brings us back to the FFP/loans/money just put in etc debate), it makes sense that he's one to go.10
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Peterborough owner on a podcast said that the 3 teams that are in for JCH are all league 1 teams allegedly..
Who do we think then? My guesses are Bristol Rovers due to the sell on they have, Derby County as they need a striker and I'm not sure on the third. I would have said Oxford but they seem to be pushing for Marriott
It's quite incredible that some of our fans wouldn't be happy with him. Swansea, Birmingham, Blackburn, Plymouth and a fair few other championship sides fans want him.
Surprised Dmac has said it's only league 1 clubs in for him. Can't find the clip of him saying it mind, only read it on social media0 -
Is he the new striker?Redhenry said:Are we all now willing to accept mediocrity?0 -
Well based on last seasons numbers.... May got 20 and Cosgrove got 8. Which is only just barely short of 30 between both.ElfsborgAddick said:follett said:
It is quite literally a stat that gave a team top of the division so I guess you're rightElfsborgAddick said:
1 in 4 is woeful. Not a stat that will give you a play-off finish position.thenewbie said:
I mean he did score goals in this league last time out, 8 goals in 33 games is 1 in 4 ish which is pretty good. If having him up means May has another 20 goal season that's really not bad, if Leaburn can reach double figures then I'd say its probably not going to be goals scored that are the problem - it's the other end.Redhenry said:
I don’t want a striker that doesn’t score goals thanks 🤣thenewbie said:We don't need Cosgrove to score goals, we need him to win/hold up the ball so that May can score goals (and hopefully Leaburn too once fit).
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.I have to respectfully disagree here, nobody is going to tell me a ratio of one in four is good enough.Ideally two strikers would achieve 30 goals in a season between them to give a team a chance of success.
So actually yes, between the two of them they are in fact scoring near enough what you want.
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Like being back at school in a line waiting to be picked.Talal said:I expect Kirk and DJ will get loans at the end of the window when clubs are desperate to get any old crap in.3
