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  • bromleyjohn
    bromleyjohn Posts: 5,987
    Chuks is a proper hero who will give his all. Thought he was great yesterday 
  • Kips
    Kips Posts: 689
    Cameo appearances at 4-0 when the game as a contest is over, aren't those that we should be judging Chuks on. He needs to be that game changer, like in his first spell with us, especially whilst leaburn is out. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,946
    edited March 30
    Alwaysneil said:
    I worry that 3/4 of Chuks battles are with his internal self. Yesterday was a no pressure free hit, often he is introduced when we are behind and desperately need something. The pressure he seems to put on himself to deliver sometimes seems to prevent him from being the free flowing menace that he can be.

    i hope he finds himself and is able to shine his light for us a few more times. Always loved Chuks. 
    I agree. And think having not scored all season and uncertainty over his future he is probably hoping he can get that scoring a goal feeling one more time. Probably pressuring himself that yesterday was an easy opportunity to get that and in front of a full Covered End.

    I think if he gets one soon he will get a couple as that pressure will come off.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Kips said:
    Cameo appearances at 4-0 when the game as a contest is over, aren't those that we should be judging Chuks on. He needs to be that game changer, like in his first spell with us, especially whilst leaburn is out. 


    We all wanted Chuks to score yesterday but he just moved too early and the goal was offside. The earlier chance he had was unlucky as he curled the ball quite sweetly. Bizarre that he is suddenly fit for selection but maybe DR Will Abbott is a miracle worker. It would be good if Aneke could play a part but he isn't part of the press but did shield the ball much better in his cameo against a well beaten side.

    The fact is Kanu is the best presser in this team (Godden's view) and we will need Daniel over the rest of this season in the squad as that will be needed. Especially if Leaburn is out for the season according to the ITK.


  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 1,290
    edited March 30
    cantersaddick said:
    Alwaysneil said:
    I worry that 3/4 of Chuks battles are with his internal self. Yesterday was a no pressure free hit, often he is introduced when we are behind and desperately need something. The pressure he seems to put on himself to deliver sometimes seems to prevent him from being the free flowing menace that he can be.

    i hope he finds himself and is able to shine his light for us a few more times. Always loved Chuks. 
    I agree. And think having not scored all season and uncertainty over his future he is probably hoping he can get that scoring a goal feeling one more time. Probably pressuring himself that yesterday was an easy opportunity to get that and in front of a full Covered End.

    I think if he gets one soon he will get a couple as that pressure will come off.
    He scored against Rotherham at home this season. Goal of the season contender too
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    edited March 30
    great to see the return of Proper Chuks .. IF ONLY he could do that every week .. playing thru the pain for a new contract ? .. we will see
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    edited March 30
    His arrival at least means that tiring defenders face a challenge towards the end of a game. He's quite good at holding up and distributing the ball, plus his height and strength give us a variation to our normal play. I'm never concerned when he comes on as I think he always adds something both in attack and when defending set pieces.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    bromleyjohn said:
    Chuks is a proper hero who will give his all. Thought he was great yesterday 
    Hero 😂
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,292
    soapboxsam said:
    Kips said:
    Cameo appearances at 4-0 when the game as a contest is over, aren't those that we should be judging Chuks on. He needs to be that game changer, like in his first spell with us, especially whilst leaburn is out. 


    We all wanted Chuks to score yesterday but he just moved too early and the goal was offside. The earlier chance he had was unlucky as he curled the ball quite sweetly. Bizarre that he is suddenly fit for selection but maybe DR Will Abbott is a miracle worker. It would be good if Aneke could play a part but he isn't part of the press but did shield the ball much better in his cameo against a well beaten side.

    The fact is Kanu is the best presser in this team (Godden's view) and we will need Daniel over the rest of this season in the squad as that will be needed. Especially if Leaburn is out for the season according to the ITK.


    But Kanu is also out injured
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited March 30
    sam3110 said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Kips said:
    Cameo appearances at 4-0 when the game as a contest is over, aren't those that we should be judging Chuks on. He needs to be that game changer, like in his first spell with us, especially whilst leaburn is out. 


    We all wanted Chuks to score yesterday but he just moved too early and the goal was offside. The earlier chance he had was unlucky as he curled the ball quite sweetly. Bizarre that he is suddenly fit for selection but maybe DR Will Abbott is a miracle worker. It would be good if Aneke could play a part but he isn't part of the press but did shield the ball much better in his cameo against a well beaten side.

    The fact is Kanu is the best presser in this team (Godden's view) and we will need Daniel over the rest of this season in the squad as that will be needed. Especially if Leaburn is out for the season according to the ITK.


    But Kanu is also out injured

    I know and that's why Dixon got a run out yesterday but I assumed he was only going to be out for a few weeks and would be available for selection maybe next week 🤷🏻‍♂️ Your guess is us good as mine.

    Unfortunately we live in an age of 🤐 from the club so we have too either listen to the ITK about Miles "out for the season "🤔 and hope "turning your ankle over" for Kanu is just a sprain.

    I understand you maybe don't want the opposition to know but it so frustrating as a fan. I feel sorry for the injured player when they get asked the same question a hundred times at a match about their current fitness.

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  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,302
    AFKABartram said:
    You just never know what you’re gonna get from Chuks. A few of his recent cameos have been awful but yesterday looked closer to his prime cameo period. 

    If you watch him closely on the pitch, he just screams nutter. He spends half the time talking and berating himself, pleading to the gods, one minute his shoulders are slumped, the next his arms are open gesticulating. On field he looks high maintenance, but if we are going to get any success out of this season we need the pumped and performing Chuks cameos that we saw again yesterday 
    It's weird, because off the pitch he comes across as a really chilled softly spoken bloke. I dunno if it's just the effect of the adrenaline, or it's his way of pumping himself up to deal with all the physical attention he gets during a game.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    AFKABartram said:
    You just never know what you’re gonna get from Chuks. A few of his recent cameos have been awful but yesterday looked closer to his prime cameo period. 

    If you watch him closely on the pitch, he just screams nutter. He spends half the time talking and berating himself, pleading to the gods, one minute his shoulders are slumped, the next his arms are open gesticulating. On field he looks high maintenance, but if we are going to get any success out of this season we need the pumped and performing Chuks cameos that we saw again yesterday 
    I honestly find him really uncomfortable to watch this season. He's always played quite close to the edge, he's got far too many red cards for an intelligent striker but this season it looks like all the injuries have really caught up with him psychologically and he's in a bit of a difficult spot at the moment. The Appleton season was the one where I think internally it was finally decided that you just don't start Chuks ever, so he hasn't started a football match since 21st October 2023. At the end of last season after his layoff you could see he was putting himself under a lot of pressure to contribute in his cameos and it's got worse this season. He's absolutely desperate to score and a good few times it's been to the detriment of the move we've been putting together; just look at the shock on here yesterday when he actually passed to Dixon, that's how rare it is to see Chuks not shoot anywhere near goal.

    I get why it's got worse as well; he's 31, will be 32 when his contract expires and he's looking for a new club and he hasn't started a game in nearly two years. There's a role for him as a game-changing cameo machine for his next club, but he needs the goals and assists to justify it and he knows it. Even last season he was changing games but this one he's struggled and every game that passes by makes him less and less likely to get another contract, and he knows that he has to act fast because every single time he runs there's a chance something in his legs will go and he'll be ruled out for weeks, likely the rest of his contract. He'll possibly be thinking that there's a genuine chance he won't be a footballer anymore at the end of this season when he knows he has to the talent to be much more. The irony is if he just chilled a bit and made better decisions on the pitch he'd probably be among the goals again
  • KettsJohn
    KettsJohn Posts: 1,211
    I still feel to there is something he will come up with this season. Maybe it's wishful thinking but he still has potential to do something special for us in the short time he has left at Charlton. 
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 992
    edited March 30
    Has he lost his pace or has he been told to play within himself and to different strengths?

    If he makes it to May unscathed, has a full pre-season, he could be a useful Championship  (I hope) option.

    I'd be happy if we can work out a rolling deal.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    I just have this vision of him scoring the 90th minute winner at Wembley.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,881
    Gisappointed said:
    Has he lost his pace or has he been told to play within himself and to different strengths?

    If he makes it to May unscathed, has a full pre-season, he could be a useful Championship  (I hope) option.

    I'd be happy if we can work out a rolling deal.
    Please, not this again .....
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Gisappointed said:
    Has he lost his pace or has he been told to play within himself and to different strengths?

    If he makes it to May unscathed, has a full pre-season, he could be a useful Championship  (I hope) option.

    I'd be happy if we can work out a rolling deal.
    Others have speculated that recently too, but either way we get the same outcome on the pitch with a lack of any pace and inability to press, other than it meaning he should be available more often.

    I’d be very surprised if he gets another deal as a player with us, even if we’re still in L1 next season. That’s got to be budget that can be better spent on a player who can regularly play 90 minutes.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,815
    Mmmm, Ahadme can play for 90 minutes but is not demonstrating that would be a good idea at present. When i see a bench with Chuks on it I am much happier than when he is not on it. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,190
    Alwaysneil said:
    Mmmm, Ahadme can play for 90 minutes but is not demonstrating that would be a good idea at present. When i see a bench with Chuks on it I am much happier than when he is not on it. 
    Would you say the same if Chuks was a new signing and you only had this season to go off?
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,815
    Difficult to say, probably yes. Even in the games where others have thought he has offered little i have still seen a level of quality, ball control and hold up play which have eluded our other options

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,946
    edited March 30
    MrBurns said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Alwaysneil said:
    I worry that 3/4 of Chuks battles are with his internal self. Yesterday was a no pressure free hit, often he is introduced when we are behind and desperately need something. The pressure he seems to put on himself to deliver sometimes seems to prevent him from being the free flowing menace that he can be.

    i hope he finds himself and is able to shine his light for us a few more times. Always loved Chuks. 
    I agree. And think having not scored all season and uncertainty over his future he is probably hoping he can get that scoring a goal feeling one more time. Probably pressuring himself that yesterday was an easy opportunity to get that and in front of a full Covered End.

    I think if he gets one soon he will get a couple as that pressure will come off.
    He scored against Rotherham at home this season. Goal of the season contender too
    You are correct. That minor adjustment made I still think my perception of the pressure he is putting on himself still stands.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Alwaysneil said:
    Mmmm, Ahadme can play for 90 minutes but is not demonstrating that would be a good idea at present. When i see a bench with Chuks on it I am much happier than when he is not on it. 
    I can see the sense in that, but Ahadme not being good enough shouldn’t be justification for offering Chuks a new deal.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,815
    True, and i'm not saying I would offer Chuks a new deal, not knowing whether i could get him for a reasonable wedge, don't know what that is. Bit i can think of worse uses of money than having chuks to bring on for 20 mins a game.

    Sadly he's generally only available half a season so unless i was sure that was fixed/much less likely to occur, i wouldnt offer him a deal at all. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    My concern is whether he’ll still be able to do that next year or if we’ve seen signs of him becoming less effective.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,815
    Well if he hasnt been told to go on and do a particular hold up job in the lat couple of appearances before yesterday, then I guess management will be worried, but if he's done exactly what he has been asked to they will be less so. We will probably never know.
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    Agree with a lot of the comments here, and I have to admit that I've got very rose-tinted specs when it comes to Chuks, but that wound-up version of him that we got yesterday is brilliant - the combo of touch, footwork, link-up play and physicality can be unplayable on his day. Their guy bounced off him on the wing when he went on to setup Dixon rather than go for it himself.

    One thing that struck me when he passed to Dixon was that he's probably playing for his last proper contract (wherever that may be) and coming off the bench he may have something like ~100mins left this season to do that. Anyway, in that moment his instinct was to try to set up the young lad for a goal in front of the Covered End which I did think was pretty classy, although I'm sure he regrets it now!

    Anyway - my two cents on Chuks overall is that when I look at our last play-off final I'd much, much rather have him coming off the bench than Josh Parker (who I have no problem with). Also, I may be in the minority here, but if we can make his contract make financial sense I think we could do a lot worse than signing him up for another year if we're still in this division.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Gisappointed said:
    Has he lost his pace or has he been told to play within himself and to different strengths?

    If he makes it to May unscathed, has a full pre-season, he could be a useful Championship  (I hope) option.

    I'd be happy if we can work out a rolling deal.
    He's done absolutely nothing to deserve a new deal, even a rolling one. Wasn't even that good a cameo yesterday. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    He’s got 1 goal this season.  Surely even the most hardy of you cheat code souls must admit that these cameos aren’t what they used to be.  We absolutely do not need him on a rolling contract, pay as you play or on a reduced wage 

    He’s simply not even capable of doing it off the subs bench anymore.  

  • WrightCharlie
    WrightCharlie Posts: 743
    He was brought on early (for him) at Posh….. would think it was more likely to be to chase the game than keep things as they were? 
    But as you say, we’ll likely never know……
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,881
    cabbles said:
    He’s got 1 goal this season.  Surely even the most hardy of you cheat code souls must admit that these cameos aren’t what they used to be.  We absolutely do not need him on a rolling contract, pay as you play or on a reduced wage 

    He’s simply not even capable of doing it off the subs bench anymore.  

    Absolutely incredible, isn't it?

    He comes on when we're already 4-0 up and people are suddenly touting possible new deals again. This thread is like Groundhog Day.

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