The staff should be paid a good rate. The staff should be properly paid because the prices people pay are very high. I have heard capitalists say that a market finds its own level, if that is true then something has to happen. Exploiting the workforce in order to squeeze a marginal profit whilst alienating customers seems to be a poor version of capitalism…unless you have a monopoly or a captive market.
I assume they are paid minimum wage or very marginally only a little better.
I doubt any government will materially change that rate.
In this case I think really the issue is training / familiarity and that can only be down to the third party outsourced provider.
Supply and demand will ultimately apply and mean custom is limited but practically I think it’s just another example of how poor a choice food and drink is inside football grounds and indeed any comparable venue. I make you right in your observation that chips from the local chip shop are better value.
My point is better pay gives you a better chance of retaining staff, at risk of slightly contradicting myself, experienced staff are going to be better at their job and more able to pass on their experience of how to do things more efficiently to newbies. Most jobs involve finding more effective ways to do the job that the manual doesn't tell you, and that comes with experience.
Anyone who falls for the Peroni baloney deserves to pay £7.40 a pint...
Well yes better pay can help with retention BUT given the venue it’s surely only ever going to attract temporary / part time staff.
It’s a job every other week and only for a few hours. Those staff are always going to flip to alternate jobs if opportunities arise.
'Back in the day' it used to be the same staff every single week in the bars
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
No change given at the ground as it’s cashless.
Quite possibly. Of course the internet can fail, or the system could go wrong, or it could be hacked, or there could be a power cut. In circumstances like that or similar using cash would be quite handy if the trading is to carry on.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Where do you live - 1955 ?
Why do you ask?
Because I have heard people mention shillings and D’s which I presume is old pennies for decades . The vast majority of people wouldn’t have a clue what you are talking about .
No that is true. Yet people use feet and inches and so on, and on this thread pints and half pints. Under the old imperial system people used different number bases all the time, and there was a certain kudos if you were good at mental arithmetic.
No that is true. Yet people use feet and inches and so on, and on this thread pints and half pints. Under the old imperial system people used different number bases all the time, and there was a certain kudos if you were good at mental arithmetic.
People use pints and half pints because that's how beer is served in the UK. Unfortunately people hardly ever use feet and inches anymore as it's all gone metric.
Different number bases are in pretty common use still, all over the place. One reason is sometimes the requirement to divide into three equal parts. Numbers of overs in Cricket uses a different number base is an example of base 6 if I have that right. Of course base ten seems obvious because most people have ten fingers and thumbs. Not everywhere. I saw a bloke on the internet ask some American students how many minutes are there in a quarter of an hour, loads of them said 25.
The staff should be paid a good rate. The staff should be properly paid because the prices people pay are very high. I have heard capitalists say that a market finds its own level, if that is true then something has to happen. Exploiting the workforce in order to squeeze a marginal profit whilst alienating customers seems to be a poor version of capitalism…unless you have a monopoly or a captive market.
I assume they are paid minimum wage or very marginally only a little better.
I doubt any government will materially change that rate.
In this case I think really the issue is training / familiarity and that can only be down to the third party outsourced provider.
Supply and demand will ultimately apply and mean custom is limited but practically I think it’s just another example of how poor a choice food and drink is inside football grounds and indeed any comparable venue. I make you right in your observation that chips from the local chip shop are better value.
My point is better pay gives you a better chance of retaining staff, at risk of slightly contradicting myself, experienced staff are going to be better at their job and more able to pass on their experience of how to do things more efficiently to newbies. Most jobs involve finding more effective ways to do the job that the manual doesn't tell you, and that comes with experience.
Anyone who falls for the Peroni baloney deserves to pay £7.40 a pint...
They are part time staff employed by Gather and Gather, not ours. We don't/barely train them, don't retain them and they won't be passing on their experience as it's generally different people each match behind the bars. Presumably when they have more experience of bar work they will be paid more by G&G and won't be at The Valley.
The staff should be paid a good rate. The staff should be properly paid because the prices people pay are very high. I have heard capitalists say that a market finds its own level, if that is true then something has to happen. Exploiting the workforce in order to squeeze a marginal profit whilst alienating customers seems to be a poor version of capitalism…unless you have a monopoly or a captive market.
I assume they are paid minimum wage or very marginally only a little better.
I doubt any government will materially change that rate.
In this case I think really the issue is training / familiarity and that can only be down to the third party outsourced provider.
Supply and demand will ultimately apply and mean custom is limited but practically I think it’s just another example of how poor a choice food and drink is inside football grounds and indeed any comparable venue. I make you right in your observation that chips from the local chip shop are better value.
My point is better pay gives you a better chance of retaining staff, at risk of slightly contradicting myself, experienced staff are going to be better at their job and more able to pass on their experience of how to do things more efficiently to newbies. Most jobs involve finding more effective ways to do the job that the manual doesn't tell you, and that comes with experience.
Anyone who falls for the Peroni baloney deserves to pay £7.40 a pint...
They are AGENCY staff, not ours. We don't/barely train them, don't retain them and they won't be passing on their experience as it's generally different people each match behind the bars. Presumably when they have more experience of bar work they will be paid more by the agency and won't be at The Valley.
Yards and feet are still measurements used in football.
I spoke to my nephew who's 10 years younger and he meassures his height in metric which seems odd. I presume the same is done in weight. Where's I would use pounds and stones.
I understand old money though was born nearly two decades after they were replaced.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Maybe the two pint price is to help people who struggle with sums.
I automatically know because of my age and education that if you hand over £1 for something costing 80p the change is 20p. Indeed I also know in old money that if you hand over £1 for something costing 7s11d you get 12s1d change. Most of my generation can do that kind of thing in their head. Now people can’t calculate the change from £1 for an 80p purchase without a machine.
Isn't the Valley cashless...?
Yes.
Seth have you been asking for change from your debit card?
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Of course the internet can fail, or the system could go wrong, or it could be hacked, or there could be a power cut.
In circumstances like that or similar using cash would be quite handy if the trading is to carry on.
Yet people use feet and inches and so on, and on this thread pints and half pints.
Under the old imperial system people used different number bases all the time, and there was a certain kudos if you were good at mental arithmetic.
Unfortunately people hardly ever use feet and inches anymore as it's all gone metric.
One reason is sometimes the requirement to divide into three equal parts.
Numbers of overs in Cricket uses a different number base is an example of base 6 if I have that right.
Of course base ten seems obvious because most people have ten fingers and thumbs. Not everywhere.
I saw a bloke on the internet ask some American students how many minutes are there in a quarter of an hour, loads of them said 25.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/gather-gather-support-cact-donation-matchday-sales
We don't/barely train them, don't retain them and they won't be passing on their experience as it's generally different people each match behind the bars.
Presumably when they have more experience of bar work they will be paid more by G&G and won't be at The Valley.
https://uk.indeed.com/q-gather-&-gather-catering-l-london-jobs.html?vjk=5692e161725a4242
I spoke to my nephew who's 10 years younger and he meassures his height in metric which seems odd. I presume the same is done in weight. Where's I would use pounds and stones.
I understand old money though was born nearly two decades after they were replaced.
A couple of years ago at Forest Green, the vegan pie that someone near me had was barely defrosted...
Last time I was in there the Valley Cafe was cash only.