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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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Agree with all of that @garrymanilow particularly the stuff about us forgetting the dud loans. The good ones all came in a short window too (Cullen, Bieliek, Gallagher) or because they were at Palace and didn’t have to move (JRS). Of course loans are inconsistent but I don’t think our record is great0
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Brennan Johnson is miles above all of those players. Maatsen comes on as a late sub for Chelsea every so often because despite spending shinty six billion quid they still don't have a squad, Cullen has done well but is getting relegated back down to the Championship and Bielik has been a member of Championship squads threatened by relegation ever since he left us. Brennan Johnson played 38 Premier League games last season scoring 8 and assisting 3, and he just scored his first Spurs goal the other day. He's 22.Chunes said:
Good one, forgot about him and Bielik from Santa Claus.redbuttle said:
What about Josh Cullen?Chunes said:
Who I'd take over anyone on that list...L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Have we? In recent years the only loanees that truly stand out are Jes and Gallagher.Chunes said:
It's not really an impressive list, is it? We've had better loanees than that.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
At Oxford, he had players like Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, JonJo Kenny & Tyler Roberts at Oxford…think he had Jordan Graham there.golfaddick said:
I've no idea of his history with loan players......who's he had "under his wing" that have proved to be a success then ?fenaddick said:Hoping Appletons history of good loans can continue in January if the 3 mentioned above do go home
Lincoln - Morgan Rodgers, Brennan Johnson, Josef Bursik, Lewis Forini, Josh Griffiths, Morgan Whittaker
Blackpool - Lewis Forini (again), Rhys Williams, Charlie Patino, Morgan Rodgers, Morgan Rodger’s…
The majority of these players were playing for premier league teams at the time, and looking through the careers of these players, have gone on to play for teams pushing for promotion out of the Championship or Premier League teams.
Its seems Appleton is well respected at the “bigger” clubs, and they are happy to send their young prospects to be developed under his watchful eye.
Ian Maatsen playing Prem football for Chelsea this season.
Let's see who he manages to bring in for Feb.
I don't think there's any comparison between the players we've brought in on loan and the ones Appleton has. But he keeps saying he's got this great history of bringing in top loanees.
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Well, that's your opinion. Gallagher has 111 Premier League appearances and has ten caps for England. He's 23.Garrymanilow said:
Brennan Johnson is miles above all of those players. Maatsen comes on as a late sub for Chelsea every so often because despite spending shinty six billion quid they still don't have a squad, Cullen has done well but is getting relegated back down to the Championship and Bielik has been a member of Championship squads threatened by relegation ever since he left us. Brennan Johnson played 38 Premier League games last season scoring 8 and assisting 3, and he just scored his first Spurs goal the other day. He's 22.Chunes said:
Good one, forgot about him and Bielik from Santa Claus.redbuttle said:
What about Josh Cullen?Chunes said:
Who I'd take over anyone on that list...L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Have we? In recent years the only loanees that truly stand out are Jes and Gallagher.Chunes said:
It's not really an impressive list, is it? We've had better loanees than that.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
At Oxford, he had players like Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, JonJo Kenny & Tyler Roberts at Oxford…think he had Jordan Graham there.golfaddick said:
I've no idea of his history with loan players......who's he had "under his wing" that have proved to be a success then ?fenaddick said:Hoping Appletons history of good loans can continue in January if the 3 mentioned above do go home
Lincoln - Morgan Rodgers, Brennan Johnson, Josef Bursik, Lewis Forini, Josh Griffiths, Morgan Whittaker
Blackpool - Lewis Forini (again), Rhys Williams, Charlie Patino, Morgan Rodgers, Morgan Rodger’s…
The majority of these players were playing for premier league teams at the time, and looking through the careers of these players, have gone on to play for teams pushing for promotion out of the Championship or Premier League teams.
Its seems Appleton is well respected at the “bigger” clubs, and they are happy to send their young prospects to be developed under his watchful eye.
Ian Maatsen playing Prem football for Chelsea this season.
Let's see who he manages to bring in for Feb.
I don't think there's any comparison between the players we've brought in on loan and the ones Appleton has. But he keeps saying he's got this great history of bringing in top loanees.
But getting in argument about who's better, a winger or a CM, doesn't seem like a productive use of time.
I'm sure Apples has had his dud loans at those clubs as well.0 -
Garrymanilow seriously testing my respect with this Ulvestad erasure4
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Personally hoping we sign an older profile of player in the window. Not sure whether we could afford in the budget. For example, some Championship players with a couple hundred league appearances who isn’t playing much football. (I,e Patrick Bauer only player I could think of top of my head etc)2
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Please don't do that to my heartSouthWest_Addicks said:Personally hoping we sign an older profile of player in the window. Not sure whether we could afford in the budget. For example, some Championship players with a couple hundred league appearances who isn’t playing much football. (I,e Patrick Bauer only player I could think of top of my head etc)0 -
Chunes said:
Well, that's your opinion. Gallagher has 111 Premier League appearances and has ten caps for England. He's 23.Garrymanilow said:
Brennan Johnson is miles above all of those players. Maatsen comes on as a late sub for Chelsea every so often because despite spending shinty six billion quid they still don't have a squad, Cullen has done well but is getting relegated back down to the Championship and Bielik has been a member of Championship squads threatened by relegation ever since he left us. Brennan Johnson played 38 Premier League games last season scoring 8 and assisting 3, and he just scored his first Spurs goal the other day. He's 22.Chunes said:
Good one, forgot about him and Bielik from Santa Claus.redbuttle said:
What about Josh Cullen?Chunes said:
Who I'd take over anyone on that list...L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Have we? In recent years the only loanees that truly stand out are Jes and Gallagher.Chunes said:
It's not really an impressive list, is it? We've had better loanees than that.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
At Oxford, he had players like Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, JonJo Kenny & Tyler Roberts at Oxford…think he had Jordan Graham there.golfaddick said:
I've no idea of his history with loan players......who's he had "under his wing" that have proved to be a success then ?fenaddick said:Hoping Appletons history of good loans can continue in January if the 3 mentioned above do go home
Lincoln - Morgan Rodgers, Brennan Johnson, Josef Bursik, Lewis Forini, Josh Griffiths, Morgan Whittaker
Blackpool - Lewis Forini (again), Rhys Williams, Charlie Patino, Morgan Rodgers, Morgan Rodger’s…
The majority of these players were playing for premier league teams at the time, and looking through the careers of these players, have gone on to play for teams pushing for promotion out of the Championship or Premier League teams.
Its seems Appleton is well respected at the “bigger” clubs, and they are happy to send their young prospects to be developed under his watchful eye.
Ian Maatsen playing Prem football for Chelsea this season.
Let's see who he manages to bring in for Feb.
I don't think there's any comparison between the players we've brought in on loan and the ones Appleton has. But he keeps saying he's got this great history of bringing in top loanees.
But getting in argument about who's better, a winger or a CM, doesn't seem like a productive use of time.
I'm sure Apples has had his dud loans at those clubs as well.I would agree with you on Gallagher but I didn't actually see him on your list up there. I'd say Gallagher is doing the best of all, but then equally we had him on loan for 6 months and he took in loans at Swansea, West Brom and Palace after that so I'd suggest our influence wasn't as big a part of his development as we like to think. Of course Appleton will have had duds, that's the point. You're picking out the best 4 or 5 loans across our club and comparing that against a manager dealing with different clubs at different levels and different resources, so I think if anything comparing wingers to midfielders is the more logical thing. I also now see that JRS is up there on your list, and any manager is taking Johnson over JRS at this point in time if you want to compare wingers to wingers.To look at that Appleton list though and shrug and say there's no comparison is incorrect though, there's enough Premier League experienced players there for him to stand by what he says, which is what we're talking about. His work with Johnson, Roofe and Baldock absolutely improved those players and they're having very good careers.
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My last post on this. It boils down to opinions on players, I personally don't think there is any comparison. If this club were offered a choice of five loan players to enhance the squad right now (leaving our positional needs out of the equation):Garrymanilow said:Chunes said:
Well, that's your opinion. Gallagher has 111 Premier League appearances and has ten caps for England. He's 23.Garrymanilow said:
Brennan Johnson is miles above all of those players. Maatsen comes on as a late sub for Chelsea every so often because despite spending shinty six billion quid they still don't have a squad, Cullen has done well but is getting relegated back down to the Championship and Bielik has been a member of Championship squads threatened by relegation ever since he left us. Brennan Johnson played 38 Premier League games last season scoring 8 and assisting 3, and he just scored his first Spurs goal the other day. He's 22.Chunes said:
Good one, forgot about him and Bielik from Santa Claus.redbuttle said:
What about Josh Cullen?Chunes said:
Who I'd take over anyone on that list...L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Have we? In recent years the only loanees that truly stand out are Jes and Gallagher.Chunes said:
It's not really an impressive list, is it? We've had better loanees than that.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
At Oxford, he had players like Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, JonJo Kenny & Tyler Roberts at Oxford…think he had Jordan Graham there.golfaddick said:
I've no idea of his history with loan players......who's he had "under his wing" that have proved to be a success then ?fenaddick said:Hoping Appletons history of good loans can continue in January if the 3 mentioned above do go home
Lincoln - Morgan Rodgers, Brennan Johnson, Josef Bursik, Lewis Forini, Josh Griffiths, Morgan Whittaker
Blackpool - Lewis Forini (again), Rhys Williams, Charlie Patino, Morgan Rodgers, Morgan Rodger’s…
The majority of these players were playing for premier league teams at the time, and looking through the careers of these players, have gone on to play for teams pushing for promotion out of the Championship or Premier League teams.
Its seems Appleton is well respected at the “bigger” clubs, and they are happy to send their young prospects to be developed under his watchful eye.
Ian Maatsen playing Prem football for Chelsea this season.
Let's see who he manages to bring in for Feb.
I don't think there's any comparison between the players we've brought in on loan and the ones Appleton has. But he keeps saying he's got this great history of bringing in top loanees.
But getting in argument about who's better, a winger or a CM, doesn't seem like a productive use of time.
I'm sure Apples has had his dud loans at those clubs as well.I would agree with you on Gallagher but I didn't actually see him on your list up there. I'd say Gallagher is doing the best of all, but then equally we had him on loan for 6 months and he took in loans at Swansea, West Brom and Palace after that so I'd suggest our influence wasn't as big a part of his development as we like to think. Of course Appleton will have had duds, that's the point. You're picking out the best 4 or 5 loans across our club and comparing that against a manager dealing with different clubs at different levels and different resources, so I think if anything comparing wingers to midfielders is the more logical thing. I also now see that JRS is up there on your list, and any manager is taking Johnson over JRS at this point in time if you want to compare wingers to wingers.To look at that Appleton list though and shrug and say there's no comparison is incorrect though, there's enough Premier League experienced players there for him to stand by what he says, which is what we're talking about. His work with Johnson, Roofe and Baldock absolutely improved those players and they're having very good careers.
Option 1
Baldock
Fiorini
Patino
Johnson
Roofe
Option 2
Gallagher
Bielik
Rak-Sakyi
Maatsen
Cullen
For me, it's a really easy choice. For you, it might be different and that's fine.
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Option 2 all day longChunes said:
My last post on this. It boils down to opinions on players, I personally don't think there is any comparison. If this club were offered a choice of five loan players to enhance the squad right now (leaving our positional needs out of the equation):Garrymanilow said:Chunes said:
Well, that's your opinion. Gallagher has 111 Premier League appearances and has ten caps for England. He's 23.Garrymanilow said:
Brennan Johnson is miles above all of those players. Maatsen comes on as a late sub for Chelsea every so often because despite spending shinty six billion quid they still don't have a squad, Cullen has done well but is getting relegated back down to the Championship and Bielik has been a member of Championship squads threatened by relegation ever since he left us. Brennan Johnson played 38 Premier League games last season scoring 8 and assisting 3, and he just scored his first Spurs goal the other day. He's 22.Chunes said:
Good one, forgot about him and Bielik from Santa Claus.redbuttle said:
What about Josh Cullen?Chunes said:
Who I'd take over anyone on that list...L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Have we? In recent years the only loanees that truly stand out are Jes and Gallagher.Chunes said:
It's not really an impressive list, is it? We've had better loanees than that.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
At Oxford, he had players like Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, JonJo Kenny & Tyler Roberts at Oxford…think he had Jordan Graham there.golfaddick said:
I've no idea of his history with loan players......who's he had "under his wing" that have proved to be a success then ?fenaddick said:Hoping Appletons history of good loans can continue in January if the 3 mentioned above do go home
Lincoln - Morgan Rodgers, Brennan Johnson, Josef Bursik, Lewis Forini, Josh Griffiths, Morgan Whittaker
Blackpool - Lewis Forini (again), Rhys Williams, Charlie Patino, Morgan Rodgers, Morgan Rodger’s…
The majority of these players were playing for premier league teams at the time, and looking through the careers of these players, have gone on to play for teams pushing for promotion out of the Championship or Premier League teams.
Its seems Appleton is well respected at the “bigger” clubs, and they are happy to send their young prospects to be developed under his watchful eye.
Ian Maatsen playing Prem football for Chelsea this season.
Let's see who he manages to bring in for Feb.
I don't think there's any comparison between the players we've brought in on loan and the ones Appleton has. But he keeps saying he's got this great history of bringing in top loanees.
But getting in argument about who's better, a winger or a CM, doesn't seem like a productive use of time.
I'm sure Apples has had his dud loans at those clubs as well.I would agree with you on Gallagher but I didn't actually see him on your list up there. I'd say Gallagher is doing the best of all, but then equally we had him on loan for 6 months and he took in loans at Swansea, West Brom and Palace after that so I'd suggest our influence wasn't as big a part of his development as we like to think. Of course Appleton will have had duds, that's the point. You're picking out the best 4 or 5 loans across our club and comparing that against a manager dealing with different clubs at different levels and different resources, so I think if anything comparing wingers to midfielders is the more logical thing. I also now see that JRS is up there on your list, and any manager is taking Johnson over JRS at this point in time if you want to compare wingers to wingers.To look at that Appleton list though and shrug and say there's no comparison is incorrect though, there's enough Premier League experienced players there for him to stand by what he says, which is what we're talking about. His work with Johnson, Roofe and Baldock absolutely improved those players and they're having very good careers.
Option 1
Baldock
Fiorini
Patino
Johnson
Roofe
Option 2
Gallagher
Bielik
Rak-Sakyi
Maatsen
Cullen
For me, it's a really easy choice. For you, it might be different and that's fine.3 -
You've got to see where the club is to judge the relative strength of loan players anyway.
Gallagher was when we were in the Championship so you'd expect him to be better than most L1 loans.1 -
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I don’t see anyone close to May at the moment. He’d probably win at least 80% of the vote if it was called now and I can’t see that changing much by the end of the seasonMarcusH26 said:seth plum said:I can guarantee a loan player won’t win our player of the year this season.
Honestly think it could be one of the closest in years at least between the assumed top 29 -
But that's a ridiculous comparison because not only are you comparing some loans we had in the Championship and L1 over a couple of recent years to plenty that were picked up in L2 and L1 by lesser clubs, there's a few in there on both sides who might go on to be world beaters or duds, it's too soon for us to know. The question you need to ask is whether the player signed was a top loan signing for the level the team was at, and if the manager improved them. Patino is a very well regarded prospect at Arsenal. He did well at Blackpool and has gone on to a loan at Swansea which is a step up. Patino might never get any higher than this but he's very highly rated now, which is the kind of player you want to get on loan. Roofe was loaned by L2 Oxford from Premier League West Brom, did well enough that Oxford signed him and then had a big money move to Leeds. Baldock was loaned from L1/Championship MK Dons to L2 Oxford, then did so well in his second loan he was recalled to play in the Championship for MK. Lewis Fiorini was a great get from Man City for L1 Lincoln. The next season Fiorini was loaned up a league to Blackpool under Appleton again, obviously they were pleased with the job he did with Fiorini the previous season.So sure, maybe you'd take Cullen right now over 30 year old Kemar Roofe who was loaned to Appleton in L2 in 2015 but that would be completely missing the point wouldn't it. In L2 through to the Championship managing some quite small teams Appleton got good loans for the level who enhanced the team and who he improved enough that they kicked on to a higher level from there. That's a positive thing for us6
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Shouldn't all the above nonsense be on another thread?5
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No, this is the rumours thread. This is where random shit goes. If you want to talk about who we might be signing in January go and make a thread about clouds or somethingLargeAddick said:Shouldn't all the above nonsense be on another thread?
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If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend0
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Name two players that fit that criteria and will be willing to play in League 1 for us for the money we would pay 🤔RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend1 -
Yes because League One is famously absolutely full of consistent wingers who are also great defenders, isn’t it.RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend
Oh... right.12 -
And I suppose you’d let CBT go for £100k as he doesn’t defend well enough?RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend2 -
Aren't wingers who can defend wing backs?1
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The “never heard of him” argument is a funny one. Especially when half the forum says “never heard of him” about half a dozen of the latest England squads.
I bet not many had heard of Louie Watson before September.13 -
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"Wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend"
@RonnieMoore old chap, please give me a list of 6 players in the world who fit into this description2 -
His attitude and performance on Wednesday be lucky to 10 quidScoham said:
And I suppose you’d let CBT go for £100k as he doesn’t defend well enough?RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend0 -
Robinson and Newton were wingers who created numerous chances and supported their full backsTodds_right_hook said:Aren't wingers who can defend wing backs?3 -
Let’s face it whoever we sign on loan in January will be either useless or will slip on a banana skin getting out of his car at Sparrows.2
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I've been interested to read your posts when relating to CBT, and it strikes me you just don't like him. Yet, May aside, he scores good goals and has a good assist ratio.....not bad for a 10 quid player!RonnieMoore said:
His attitude and performance on Wednesday be lucky to 10 qjust uidScoham said:
And I suppose you’d let CBT go for £100k as he doesn’t defend well enough?RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend
As for wingers who defend....they are called 'wing backs' which CBT isn't!
However please give me names of players at our level who are out and out wingers who are also good defenders!
As an ex right winger myself I would readily admit I wasn't good at defending, but going forward was a different matter!0 -
I wonder what they are doing now and if they kept fit 😃RonnieMoore said:
Robinson and Newton were wingers who created numerous chances and supported their full backsTodds_right_hook said:Aren't wingers who can defend wing backs?1 -
CBT has had two poor games but he’s been very good this seasonShowmetheway2gohome said:Hopefully keep Dobson not so bothered about CBT overrated goes missing far to often.Think Brewer Jones Dobson May is a great spine of the team to build around.Brewer has been excellent since he came back in the team.5 -
Against stiff opposition, January 2024 rumours thread already the worst ever Charlton Life rumours thread (just 3 pages in!)7
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My potential controversial opinion: CBT is more likely to be able to make the step up a level than Dobson is.wmcf123 said:
CBT has had two poor games but he’s been very good this seasonShowmetheway2gohome said:Hopefully keep Dobson not so bothered about CBT overrated goes missing far to often.Think Brewer Jones Dobson May is a great spine of the team to build around.Brewer has been excellent since he came back in the team.7 -
Or right and left halves when you were playing! XRedmidland said:
I've been interested to read your posts when relating to CBT, and it strikes me you just don't like him. Yet, May aside, he scores good goals and has a good assist ratio.....not bad for a 10 quid player!RonnieMoore said:
His attitude and performance on Wednesday be lucky to 10 qjust uidScoham said:
And I suppose you’d let CBT go for £100k as he doesn’t defend well enough?RonnieMoore said:If we are seriously going for top 6 we need to invest in two good wingers who can create and are consistent and can defend
As for wingers who defend....they are called 'wing backs' which CBT isn't!
However please give me names of players at our level who are out and out wingers who are also good defenders!
As an ex right winger myself I would readily admit I wasn't good at defending, but going forward was a different matter!2
