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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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The transfer window was open for one day, hence why we (potentially) got Southampton to release Small, and managed to bring in Ramsay - Cant really call that much of a window that Jones was involved in.SELR_addicks said:
We've had 2 if you include the January signings that apparently Jones was in the background for.J BLOCK said:It’s a work in progress, we’ve been awful for years and one transfer window won’t change that. I am usually one of the first to call for a manager to go, but Jones needs time and backing.
Until that point Appleton was in charge until 23rd January, so Jones got a week of that window at most.3 -
Agree that it was highly unlikely that one window would suffice. I’d estimate three and then expect a big push for promotion but this is his team, his players, his tactics and currently his mess.J BLOCK said:It’s a work in progress, we’ve been awful for years and one transfer window won’t change that. I am usually one of the first to call for a manager to go, but Jones needs time and backing.2 -
I don't believe it's possible these days to build over multiple windows.
Players that were bought in two windows prior, may be gone by the 3rd window ie Dobbo, May, CBT, for one reason or another, unless success comes quickly, players don't stick around long these days.
The rebuild needs to be done either in one go (Birmingham) or over two windows (Maximum)
Doing it any other way, just leads to an endless churn and waste of money, exactly what we've been experiencing for years now.10 -
Cbt and Dobson were both pre jones. May is the only one that has left due to Jones.bolloxbolder said:
No. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.Todds_right_hook said:
Exactly, win a couple and its hms piss the league. A couple of losses and there’s a thread on I’m done!!!J BLOCK said:It’s a work in progress, we’ve been awful for years and one transfer window won’t change that. I am usually one of the first to call for a manager to go, but Jones needs time and backing.
after years of decline and mediocre finishes at best, we are currently 1 point off of the play offs. Our season is being written off and it’s not even October yet!!People just need to chill.
May, Dobson and CBT replaced with inferior players. Poor football, no creativity and no chance of going up. A complete fuck up. I was there yesterday and at Reading. Absolutely awful.
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Dobson played for 4 months under Jones. In any event re cbt, Jones doesn't appear to like wingers.
This team will not be getting promotion this season. In a shit division and given our size as a club, our season is over.
I'll be at all the home games but absolutely hate how bad we have become over the last 11 years since Powell left.2 -
‘Our season is over’ blimey
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bolloxbolder said:Dobson played for 4 months under Jones. In any event re cbt, Jones doesn't appear to like wingers.
This team will not be getting promotion this season. In a shit division and given our size as a club, our season is over.
I'll be at all the home games but absolutely hate how bad we have become over the last 11 years since Powell left.
A bit too early in the season to say that, should we win three games consecutive things are back on track.
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Yeah sorry guys, I'm a bit down at the moment. I really thought we'd have a good season with a possible play off place up for grabs. To see it all unravel in the last 5 games, tells me we're just not good enough.
We are not playing like a promotion chasing team and clearly Jones doesn't know his best team, given the plethora of changes in recent weeks.
He was stupid getting rid of May and should have fought harder to keep Dobson. He was also stupid to drop Mitchell. To only have TC as our only creative player is a scandal.5 -
The idea that a season is linear and all fine all the time is for the birds, and saying your season is over at the end of September after two defeats is just, sorry, nuts and over dramatic12
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That's a shameChris_from_Sidcup said:Pretty confident he'll stay for four reasons.
1. I don't think the Cardiff job is very appealing right now.
2. I don't think they'll pay compensation for a manager who has years left on his contract.
3. Having twice left for a 'better' job he failed miserably both times, so i think he'll be keen to stay where his job is secure.
4. He's signed half of his old mates from Luton so it'd be a bit much to up and leave them 2 months into the season.1 - Sponsored links:
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eaststandmike said:NJ has zero chance of managing in the Championship, after Stoke and Southampton he needs to prove he can manage a successful team and get them promoted.
I would not be surprised if things go sour we will sack him by Christmas Halloween 🎃
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We have invested and backed Jones too much to get rid of him so soon, we’ve given him a long contract, a decent budget and let him sign and sell who he wants. We simply have to give him time to see if he can improve things
Tough run of games coming up, with the most winnable burton game now postponed this next month could be do or die for Jones0 -
Talking of ghosts of moments past, I am still haunted by @bobmunro's cryptic comment about Nathan Jones.
Signing so many ex Luton players and not being able to accommodate May worries me, as does the seeming ghosting of Taylor and perhaps now Small. Sprinkle a bit of Edun on that too.
Is Jones a coach who can make things better (he has done with TC) or somebody who majors in deploying already known quantities?
I felt a bit unsettled when he signed and played Lua Lua last season, couldn't work that one out at all.4 -
What was the comment?seth plum said:Talking of ghosts of moments past, I am still haunted by @bobmunro's cryptic comment about Nathan Jones.
Signing so many ex Luton players and not being able to accommodate May worries me, as does the seeming ghosting of Taylor and perhaps now Small. Sprinkle a bit of Edun on that too.
Is Jones a coach who can make things better (he has done with TC) or somebody who majors in deploying already known quantities?
I felt a bit unsettled when he signed and played Lua Lua last season, couldn't work that one out at all.0 -
It was cryptic, I can't remember the exact words, but it hinted at what Jones was like at Stoke.Danny Addick said:
What was the comment?seth plum said:Talking of ghosts of moments past, I am still haunted by @bobmunro's cryptic comment about Nathan Jones.
Signing so many ex Luton players and not being able to accommodate May worries me, as does the seeming ghosting of Taylor and perhaps now Small. Sprinkle a bit of Edun on that too.
Is Jones a coach who can make things better (he has done with TC) or somebody who majors in deploying already known quantities?
I felt a bit unsettled when he signed and played Lua Lua last season, couldn't work that one out at all.0 -
Think the players really like working with Jones and have made sure Cardiff won’t come calling for him with recent performances.1
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Have some degree of sympathy with him. Previously our more successful teams (Powells aside) have been built on keeping hold of our better players and adding 1 or 2 to improve us each season. We let let arguably our best 2 go and started from scratch.
This is not without criticism because when Jones come in we rushed teams into mistakes with a press that seems to deserted ourselves. The constant tinkering doesn't help.0 -
Jones dropped May last season & didn’t want him.CAFCBourne said:Have some degree of sympathy with him. Previously our more successful teams (Powells aside) have been built on keeping hold of our better players and adding 1 or 2 to improve us each season. We let let arguably our best 2 go and started from scratch.
This is not without criticism because when Jones come in we rushed teams into mistakes with a press that seems to deserted ourselves. The constant tinkering doesn't help.
Jones knew that Dobson terminated his Hungarian contract in Aug but didn’t make a move to sign him.
Why do you feel sorry for him? He thought he knew better & could bring in better replacements but f&cked things up spectacularly.7 -
I’ve just re read this excellent post about his time at Luton and Stoke. I really recommend reading it.What strikes me is how he excelled in recruitment at Luton and how that made the real difference. It’s clear, now we’ve seen our new players, he’s not been as successful this summer. I’m left wondering why this is.
Has he recruited too many of his old players? One of the negatives in the post above is how loyal he was to his ‘favourites’ even though they weren’t performing. At Luton he started from scratch, so there were no favourites to bring in. He was forced to go out and find the talent, and coming from an academy coaching/assistant coach position he had recent experience of watching the league’s best young talent
Also, how much autonomy does he have with recruitment? From a few throw away comments already, he has hinted he has had to fight for certain players. That makes me worry about possible friction between him and Andy Scott. I mean what does Scott actually do, I’m sure he’s on decent money, I can’t imagine he’s sat there waiting for Jones to tell him who to buy. Some of the recruitment must be his players and as we know his formula of ‘buying from the division above guarantees success’ has rarely worked out, while he’s been keen to dispose of our best league 1 players. I mean who thought Ahadme was a good player. NJ is famous for playing a tall striker up front but who thought he was the future? Even Cambridge fans couldn’t say what he was actually good at.
Also in that post is a recurring theme of Jones’s side playing with passion and intensity. That was evident in the first few games but it has disappeared in the current losing streak. We’ve dropped our Captain, which is worrying, has Jones had one of his ‘burning the table tennis’ meltdowns already?
What I fear from reading the NJ post is we’ve already seen the best of the man, that the single mindedness worked at a club with no expectations, he wasn’t clouded by previous players and the passion worked with young hungry and talented players.
There’s definitely a trend for successful coaches at this level being first time managers, coming through the ranks with an astute knowledge of up and coming players. I’m hoping Jones isn’t already yesterday’s man.5 -
That's true. But why did we let our best player, Alfie May, go this time?CAFCBourne said:Have some degree of sympathy with him. Previously our more successful teams (Powells aside) have been built on keeping hold of our better players and adding 1 or 2 to improve us each season. We let let arguably our best 2 go and started from scratch.
This is not without criticism because when Jones come in we rushed teams into mistakes with a press that seems to deserted ourselves. The constant tinkering doesn't help.
Not because we had to but because the idiot Jones didn't rate him and encouraged him to go.
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Gravesend_Addick said:The biggest problem for me is, selling May was always going to be make or break for Jones.
That decision now looks an absolute shocker
Over the last 3 seasons, Dobson and CBT, were the main players for CAFC and Alfie May 23/24 season.
Despite the ineffectual games Corey could've he could also score and assist and go pass defenders with either foot. Check out his stats.
Dobson never missed a game and gave everything for the cause and is now at a club with momentum.
May scores goals in league 1 yet didn't fit the template of NJ !
A massive gamble for Jones with May leaving. CBT and Dobson weren't down to him.
The family card is always used by players when they become unsettled at a club. If Jones had said I will built a team around you Alfie as you are my main man with your goals then the situation wouldn't have arrived that May wanted to move on. I'm not naive and if Birmingham had offered two million(1 million accepted) then I guess we sell as Alfie was 31 last July and would get by far the best contract of his career.
You have to win when you gamble high and NJ has an omelette on his face.
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Fortune 82nd Minute said:
That's true. But why did we let our best player, Alfie May, go this time?CAFCBourne said:Have some degree of sympathy with him. Previously our more successful teams (Powells aside) have been built on keeping hold of our better players and adding 1 or 2 to improve us each season. We let let arguably our best 2 go and started from scratch.
This is not without criticism because when Jones come in we rushed teams into mistakes with a press that seems to deserted ourselves. The constant tinkering doesn't help.
Not because we had to but because the idiot Jones didn't rate him and encouraged him to go.
I have said for a long time that letting your leading striker go could well lead to Jones' downfall, I was not expecting this to raise it's head so soon.
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A manager is only as good as the players he has and these players aren't good enough. No creative players.
Why are we bringing in unknowns from Jamaica ?0 -
Well quite but these are players Jones recruited.Kindoncasella said:A manager is only as good as the players he has and these players aren't good enough. No creative players.
Why are we bringing in unknowns from Jamaica ?3 -
Who knows what the dynamic is, has Scott prevented us from being loaded up with even more past it Luton players or has NJ had to compromise, like sign an ex Luton player he wants if he takes the suspect Ahadme and raw Dixon. I cannot believe Andy Scott has nothing to do with recruitment anymore. Is there a power struggle going on? Is the departure of Hart a coincidence? What's evident is something is not right.Kindoncasella said:A manager is only as good as the players he has and these players aren't good enough. No creative players.
Why are we bringing in unknowns from Jamaica ?1 -
Not the old proverb - "If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, it's shit"?seth plum said:
It was cryptic, I can't remember the exact words, but it hinted at what Jones was like at Stoke.Danny Addick said:
What was the comment?seth plum said:Talking of ghosts of moments past, I am still haunted by @bobmunro's cryptic comment about Nathan Jones.
Signing so many ex Luton players and not being able to accommodate May worries me, as does the seeming ghosting of Taylor and perhaps now Small. Sprinkle a bit of Edun on that too.
Is Jones a coach who can make things better (he has done with TC) or somebody who majors in deploying already known quantities?
I felt a bit unsettled when he signed and played Lua Lua last season, couldn't work that one out at all.0 -
Dobson was never coming back once the contract with the Hungarian mob was cancelled Wrexham would have offered a far better package and Dobson had ill feeling with the non playing side.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Jones dropped May last season & didn’t want him.CAFCBourne said:Have some degree of sympathy with him. Previously our more successful teams (Powells aside) have been built on keeping hold of our better players and adding 1 or 2 to improve us each season. We let let arguably our best 2 go and started from scratch.
This is not without criticism because when Jones come in we rushed teams into mistakes with a press that seems to deserted ourselves. The constant tinkering doesn't help.
Jones knew that Dobson terminated his Hungarian contract in Aug but didn’t make a move to sign him.
Why do you feel sorry for him? He thought he knew better & could bring in better replacements but f&cked things up spectacularly.
May I believe the money was too good for the club to turn down coupled with the fact he wanted to go. Yes he wasn't Jones first choice and with the performances at the end of last season there was belief that there was a style in place that others would suit the system better.
The underlining factor is our signings don't seem to have improved us and players that were part of the run at the end last season have shown little improvement or similar levels of ability.
Small, Kanu, Anderson IMO are not at the levels of last season. Is this because as a club we are relying too much on youth when form can be erratic?
GAS, Berry, Mitchell and Godden were deemed good signings and yet it hasn't quite clicked yet. There was a time when signings was given settling time at a new club unfortunately in todays game your last performance is all anything is based on.
I'm not enjoying the football by any stretch but effectively we are starting again which we cannot keep doing.
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Dont see what the point is of bringing up Dixon, nothing wrong with thinking about players for the future as well as the present - By not thinking about players with potential has meant we've missed out on some decent options at this level in recent seasons.Kindoncasella said:A manager is only as good as the players he has and these players aren't good enough. No creative players.
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has the ship to Cardiff sailed?, can we not row him out to it?0
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I still don’t understand the Alfie May episode. But, what difference would he have made to a team that isn’t creating chances. He might create a chance out of nothing which might have turned a loss into a draw but the bigger issue here is the lack of chances being created, awful set pieces and park football standard crossing1
