Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.
Online fan meeting with club directors - next one Thurs Jan 23rd 7pm (p8)
Comments
-
& he thinks they have another meeting coming up. Seriously you don't know. Anyway Carter let the cat out of the bag later by mentioning the lease negotiations.aliwibble said:Re the ownership of ground and training ground, Rodwell is positive that things are moving forward. Moving forward in what direction is not clear.6 -
So Methven’s, “any old fool can run the club at a maximum £2M loss” hasn’t happened?Callumcafc said:
6 -
There are plenty of examples of teams that are sensible and well-ran climbing the leagues, Brentford just from your post are one of them. There are also lots of examples of teams not being sensible and putting themselves in difficulty. I’d rather try and be a sensible well run club (not saying we are succeeding at this at all), you are much more likely to sustain success by doing thisBraziliance said:Sorry, but a waste of time, people shouldn't even bother tuning in.
Ultimately the two most important things (promotion and ground ownership) are solved by money, and it appears we have owners that aren't willing to break the bank to get it done.
We won't improve our fan base, as there's too many London clubs better than us, we are currently the 3rd worst professional London football club out of 13 (I am not including the non league riff raff). Until that changes, we won't attract new fans unless they are generational fans.
I'd actually be happy for them to say at this point "we don't have the money to bring you back to the Premier league, we are aiming to keep you afloat until we can make you a more ambitious project to purchase for someone else and make some potential profit on you". Deadly serious as well. I don't believe for a second these owners care further than viewing us as a 3-5 year flip project.
You cannot and I can't emphasise this enough, cannot sustain in this league for a club of our size in London. We are being swallowed every year by more ambitious clubs around us. Brentford as an example are a much bigger club than us now. Forget history, no one cares that we had a good few years in the prem. They dwarf us in following and riches now, that would have been inconceivable only over a decade or so ago. How bad can it get in another decade?
I think people genuinely underestimate how broken we are at times based on youtube chats etc.
All these questions about signs, turnstiles and food options do my nut in. I want to watch Charlton be a team that plays at the top level or at least the second level. Not mixing it up with bloody Shrewsbury, Northampton etc every year. (Sorry any Salops and Cobblers who may be floating about.)
It's imperative we get out of this league and become a good football side again, and it feels like cold water is being thrown on that to me. It's all about being 'sensible' and you just can't be in the modern game, you'll be left behind.We can’t just demand ownerships to chuck huge money at this, it just isn’t going to happen. Even with the current levels of spending which you deem not near enough, we are losing £9m a year. This ownership, nor any other potential ownership, isnt going to want to lose significantly more than that into a club that doesn’t even own its assets. You need to be more realistic, we’ve been an absolute shitshow on and off the pitch for a decade, that isn’t going to be turned around overnight, and the state the club and assets are in mean that you aren’t going to get a magic billionaire come in and throw money at it till it succeeds14 -
AFKABartram said:It’s becoming increasingly clear to me that our number one missive is to develop young players to then sell them
I love seeing our lads come through but if they want to make this the number one then.
a) they at least need to buy Sparrows Lane so they can invest and make it as good as Palace if not better. You have to have the facilities, intent, scouts, coaches to compete or we just won't create enough top class players for the strategy to work.
b) you need to reach the Championship to then sell those players for worthwhile money and to persuade them to actually stay and sign a decent contract with us in the first place.
It just feels we are trying to do it on the cheap. Keep Sparrows ticking over, hope we find some gems despite them running thin recently etc.
We are lucky in our location, probably more so than almost every other club but we are definitely not maximising that.
As for no loans, it's just mental. I get the philosophical piece Rodwell mentioned; the PL nick all the best kids from the EFL through the bribery system set up by the god awful Ged Roddy; then loan then back to the EFL on a money making scheme where the EFL pay wages and subsidise their own downfall. It's mad... BUT, everyone is doing it and if we don't participate we put ourselves at a disadvantage. So get involved with good loanees whilst trying to change football from the inside whilst you do.
11 -
I actually turned my chair around from laptop on the desk after about 15 mins , I couldn't watch it was painful , 'good question' fuck off just answer the shit question and preferably not waffling on about a cnuting cyber attack that we have zero interest hearing about ffsAFKABartram said:The awkward ‘I think you should answer that one’ uncomfortableness is voyeuristally amusing
6 -
I know this is just the modern football fan. “Why aren’t you spending millions on players” and “we’ve lost a few games sack the manager” etc but I think we need a bit more patience and realism about our situation
5 -
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it3 -
Some good ie the top line finances although we seemed to have skipped a year.
Net transfer spend of £800k to £1m
CM sometimes lets slip more than he intends.
IE bringing catering in house, change in shirt sponsors. Shame those issues weren't probed more but you can't blame in-house interviewers for not going full Jeremy Paxman
Think he confirmed what I said a few weeks back eg the big money guys are happy to put in what they said they would (£10m pa) but they aren't going to splash the cash over and above that.
CM was right say we can't talk about success until we get promoted. Were not on track for that but at least he acknowledged that.
Carter isn't a natural on TV and I keep thinking he's @AFKABartram but he is on top of his brief and appears to be constantly talking to managers.
On to the negative. The questioning was largely vague and soft, and especially from the reps. The fans questions from whattsapp were better and more to the point.
And Ali Maxwell: why? Must be a dozen CAFC fans who could do that.
Technically it was poor, sound was uneven and someone tell CM to look into the camers
I actually think all the fan engagement stuff is good but it's not very sexy for most fans and I have my own issues right now about how much it is real when push comes to shove.
Pleased for Jon and Lewis. I still thing the advisory board set up is totally wrong but that's for another debate.
I'm a big critic of CAST so this will be dismissed by some as having an axe to grind but tonight Heather didn't present CAST as an organisation likely to ask tough or probing questions or that would hold the board to account.
Overall, it was good that it happened but I think the club over managed it due to a lack of confidence/fear of difficult questions when in reality they would have been better to just take whatever came. Nothing should really come as a surprise to them and none of the four are that inarticulate or unable to think on their feet.21 -
JR said Nathan is happy with his squad
Nathan didn't confirm
JR said we're trimming the squad.
Nathan said the club's aim is to develop players.
If we don't buy two or three immediate starters we won't get promoted, Small will leave, Leaburn will be sold and there's no guarantee we'll get out of the division next year.
THE SMT are NOT fit for purpose.
Waffle and conjecture. They give me no confidence. Fair play to CM to say until we get out of this division he doesn't want to talk about success.
He's right.
Sadly I dint think he'll be here IF we ever do get out of this division again... upwards!13 -
It’s a good question, poorly delivered!robinofottershaw said:Have watching supporters really asked why Jones and Rodwell were talking from Sparrows Lane whilst Carter and Charlie were at The Valley?The separate locations are very relevant. I don’t believe all is well upstairs!2 - Sponsored links:
-
The whole selling young players on for a profit whilst having to sustain us at current losses is insanity
I appreciate the investment is negligible given the wealth of our owners, but the yarn they’ve been spun by Methven & co makes them look gullible.
No disrespect to any of our youngsters, but none of them, not even Leaburn are worth more than about £1.5m. That’s chicken feed. Unless we’re churning out 6/7 of them per season, there’s no profit or anything to be gained in owning us.
They would have to get extremely fortunate to find a player like Esse at Millwall or Philogene who went from Hull to Villa now Ipswich.I can’t see promotion this season and I think they’ll be less inclined to put the required investment into the team in the summer, and we’ll be up for sale come 20268 -
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it6 -
I don’t think it’s been said anywhere they expect these sales to cover our losses? Selling young players for good money (Leaburn is worth a lot more than £1.5m for starters) then gives us more budget to spend within the league rules. So far transfer income has been re-invested into the squad, if we sell young players for good money that means we can increase our playing budgetcabbles said:The whole selling young players on for a profit whilst having to sustain us at current losses is insanity
I appreciate the investment is negligible given the wealth of our owners, but the yarn they’ve been spun by Methven & co makes them look gullible.
No disrespect to any of our youngsters, but none of them, not even Leaburn are worth more than about £1.5m. That’s chicken feed. Unless we’re churning out 6/7 of them per season, there’s no profit or anything to be gained in owning us.
They would have to get extremely fortunate to find a player like Esse at Millwall or Philogene who went from Hull to Villa now Ipswich.I can’t see promotion this season and I think they’ll be less inclined to put the required investment into the team in the summer, and we’ll be up for sale come 20261 -
They are not the questions I'd have asked either. The first one might have worked if Heather was moderating a live interview with them, with follow up questions and in front of a live audience. Second one seemed pretty marginal to me too, but I suppose Heather figured that all the most obvious questions would be asked by multiple fans,and she's always aware the Trust has to represent the broad fanbase. I'm sure she didn't think the banner was the most important issue to ask about.Hal1x said:
no knowledge on the trust either pro or anti, just think that the questions, that they thought to be important to the fans, were completely misjudged and therefore give the impression that they do not have their finger on the pulse of what is the fans priorities.PragueAddick said:
Name one that is run significantly better, and how exactly.shirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidatesAlternatively stand for election, get voted in, and show us all how to run it better.
The Supporters Trust, and most other Supporters Trusts would much prefer a live meeting of sustained questioning, or regular minuted closed meetings, with owners/SMTs. Very few STs manage to get that. The more "issues' there are among supporters, the less likely owners and SMTs agree to such formats.
Anyway my response was specifically to Shirty5 who has been making similar comments like that for the last 10 years without ever explaining how it would be run better, let alone getting himself elected to run it better. And I've met with a lot of ST board members from other clubs in the last 10 years ago, they all get the same kind of shit hurled at them. Two stalwarts from the Spurs Trust, name of Martin Cloake and Kat Law were out here a few weeks ago so I caught up with them. Top people. Managed to get Daniel Levy to agree to minuted meetings. Few years back, Kat was getting vicious dogs' abuse on Twitter from mighty Spurs keyboard warriors about the state of the stadium bogs, I mean like, as if it were her responsibility to get them fixed. Thing was, they weren't the bogs at WHL. They weren't even bogs in an English stadium. It was effing Red Star Belgrade!! Kat was there of course, they are away with Spurs most games, and apparently because she was there, she should have had the Serbian khazis fixed.
Good luck to John and Lewis, let's see how much they manage to achieve.5 -
You're undervaluing our young players - we sold Burstow and Bonne for around £2m each.cabbles said:The whole selling young players on for a profit whilst having to sustain us at current losses is insanity
I appreciate the investment is negligible given the wealth of our owners, but the yarn they’ve been spun by Methven & co makes them look gullible.
No disrespect to any of our youngsters, but none of them, not even Leaburn are worth more than about £1.5m. That’s chicken feed. Unless we’re churning out 6/7 of them per season, there’s no profit or anything to be gained in owning us.
They would have to get extremely fortunate to find a player like Esse at Millwall or Philogene who went from Hull to Villa now Ipswich.I can’t see promotion this season and I think they’ll be less inclined to put the required investment into the team in the summer, and we’ll be up for sale come 20264 -
They clearly said they could break even with player tradingNabySarr said:
I don’t think it’s been said anywhere they expect these sales to cover our losses? Selling young players for good money (Leaburn is worth a lot more than £1.5m for starters) then gives us more budget to spend within the league rules. So far transfer income has been re-invested into the squad, if we sell young players for good money that means we can increase our playing budgetcabbles said:The whole selling young players on for a profit whilst having to sustain us at current losses is insanity
I appreciate the investment is negligible given the wealth of our owners, but the yarn they’ve been spun by Methven & co makes them look gullible.
No disrespect to any of our youngsters, but none of them, not even Leaburn are worth more than about £1.5m. That’s chicken feed. Unless we’re churning out 6/7 of them per season, there’s no profit or anything to be gained in owning us.
They would have to get extremely fortunate to find a player like Esse at Millwall or Philogene who went from Hull to Villa now Ipswich.I can’t see promotion this season and I think they’ll be less inclined to put the required investment into the team in the summer, and we’ll be up for sale come 2026
Please don't re write history for them!
1 -
drawnablank said:
It’s a good question, poorly delivered!robinofottershaw said:Have watching supporters really asked why Jones and Rodwell were talking from Sparrows Lane whilst Carter and Charlie were at The Valley?The separate locations are very relevant. I don’t believe all is well upstairs!
Either that or more likely it was to emphasise CM's point that the commercial side and the football side are separate (as they should be).
4 -
They haven’t though. I believe Methven stated we could get losses down to £2-3m if we were in the championship. Sandgaard was the break even promiser, not these lotsupaclive said:
They clearly said they could break even with player tradingNabySarr said:
I don’t think it’s been said anywhere they expect these sales to cover our losses? Selling young players for good money (Leaburn is worth a lot more than £1.5m for starters) then gives us more budget to spend within the league rules. So far transfer income has been re-invested into the squad, if we sell young players for good money that means we can increase our playing budgetcabbles said:The whole selling young players on for a profit whilst having to sustain us at current losses is insanity
I appreciate the investment is negligible given the wealth of our owners, but the yarn they’ve been spun by Methven & co makes them look gullible.
No disrespect to any of our youngsters, but none of them, not even Leaburn are worth more than about £1.5m. That’s chicken feed. Unless we’re churning out 6/7 of them per season, there’s no profit or anything to be gained in owning us.
They would have to get extremely fortunate to find a player like Esse at Millwall or Philogene who went from Hull to Villa now Ipswich.I can’t see promotion this season and I think they’ll be less inclined to put the required investment into the team in the summer, and we’ll be up for sale come 2026
Please don't re write history for them!2 -
So the new midfielder signing wasn’t announced 😂6
-
Brentford consistently brought in a lot more money than they paid out. They did it all the way to the prem. But recruitment has to be a lot better and I'm not sure ours is anywhere near good enough at the moment.
Still, it's not a bad thing to aspire to and I won't criticise them for saying they want to do it.4 - Sponsored links:
-
44k views on X, with some absolute drivel spouted in the replies- clearly it’s pretty polarising/important enough.Henry Irving said:
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it
certainly more important than when the 4 aren’t sitting next to each other, and Valley Express1 -
Henry Irving said:
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike itIt was a last minute question and reflected the dogs abuse on socials from a small minority of morons calling it out as 'woke'.The answer to the first question about what they believed would be the hottest topic showed more about their lack of understanding than CAST's misreading. Anyone with any sense would appreciate the biggest issue as being The Valley and CM/GC should have responded with that.3 -
no problems about the sign, I quite like the sign, I just thought on one of the rare opportunities that the fan base has to quiz the SMT it was not a question that needed to be asked and that there were more important things to discuss. Sorry dont think thats wierd.19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it4 -
Retrospectively, it didn’t work. If anyone was going to ask it it should have been Charlotte in room as part of a pre cursor to the forthcoming questions.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike itThe answer to the first question about what they believed would be the hottest topic showed more about their lack of understanding than CAST's misreading. Anyone with any sense would appreciate the biggest issue as being The Valley and CM/GC should have responded with that.It’s no big deal though1 -
The first question to ask. Is why do they ant to own an English football club2
-
Would they?bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike itIt was a last minute question and reflected the dogs abuse on socials from a small minority of morons calling it out as 'woke'.The answer to the first question about what they believed would be the hottest topic showed more about their lack of understanding than CAST's misreading. Anyone with any sense would appreciate the biggest issue as being The Valley.
Many would have said new signings but if CAST thought that the Valley was the biggest issue then they should have asked about it, not guess the top question or what about the new sign.
CM eventually made the point that EDI is both the right thing to do AND good business, which I agree with.
It was still a poor question.3 -
That’s fair enough, but I’d say this is more likely to be the ‘rare opportunities’ of it being public- clearly the fan advocates and to a bigger extent CAST will be asking questions constantly and getting responses - which they have been, as I had a response to a question last monthHal1x said:
no problems about the sign, I like the sign, I just thought on one of the rare opportunities that the fan base has to quiz the SMT it was not a question that needed to be asked and that there were more important things to discuss. Sorry dont think thats wierd.19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it
0 -
My favourite part of the night, a bit of ASMR from Jim Rodwell16 -
The ISSUE is important.19addickted96 said:
44k views on X, with some absolute drivel spouted in the replies- clearly it’s pretty polarising/important enough.Henry Irving said:
I like the sign and what it represents but it was a poor question19addickted96 said:
Unfortunate to you (and the weirdos who wet their knickers today about a sign, especially a sign promoting equality and diversity) the sign wasn’t anything to do with CAST.Hal1x said:
it doesn't take a lot of research to establish what the supporters think is important, and I dont think a new sign is top of the agenda.fenaddick said:Hal1x said:
just need to better gauge what their supporters actually think is important.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
Completely agree. I just think it’s interesting that anytime they do something it gets criticised but as far as I’m aware those criticising don’t stand to join the board. That might be because they don’t have time which is totally fine but important to remember it’s easy to criticise and far harder to enact changeshirty5 said:
As you have as well. As we all have.fenaddick said:
Sure but it can only be run by the people who volunteer to run it. If you don’t like it you have the option to change itshirty5 said:
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is importantfenaddick said:
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option toredbuttle said:
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.blackpool72 said:
Get the fuck inCallumcafc said:Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Defo the two best candidates
the All Different, All Together, All Charlton sign has been put up as part of the clubs continuing efforts to develop the EEDI of the club and Community trust- as well as making it clearer that The Valley welcomes all!Blame Paul Elliott and the EDI Working group for it, if you really dislike it
certainly more important than when the 4 aren’t sitting next to each other, and Valley Express
The QUESTION was poor3 -
Bang on with your summary I’d say.Henry Irving said:Some good ie the top line finances although we seemed to have skipped a year.
Net transfer spend of £800k to £1m
CM sometimes lets slip more than he intends.
IE bringing catering in house, change in shirt sponsors. Shame those issues weren't probed more but you can't blame in-house interviewers for not going full Jeremy Paxman
Think he confirmed what I said a few weeks back eg the big money guys are happy to put in what they said they would (£10m pa) but they aren't going to splash the cash over and above that.
CM was right say we can't talk about success until we get promoted. Were not on track for that but at least he acknowledged that.
Carter isn't a natural on TV and I keep thinking he's @AFKABartram but he is on top of his brief and appears to be constantly talking to managers.
On to the negative. The questioning was largely vague and soft, and especially from the reps. The fans questions from whattsapp were better and more to the point.
And Ali Maxwell: why? Must be a dozen CAFC fans who could do that.
Technically it was poor, sound was uneven and someone tell CM to look into the camers
I actually think all the fan engagement stuff is good but it's not very sexy for most fans and I have my own issues right now about how much it is real when push comes to shove.
Pleased for Jon and Lewis. I still thing the advisory board set up is totally wrong but that's for another debate.
I'm a big critic of CAST so this will be dismissed by some as having an axe to grind but tonight Heather didn't present CAST as an organisation likely to ask tough or probing questions or that would hold the board to account.
Overall, it was good that it happened but I think the club over managed it due to a lack of confidence/fear of difficult questions when in reality they would have been better to just take whatever came. Nothing should really come as a surprise to them and none of the four are that inarticulate or unable to think on their feet.1
