Greg Docherty (Leaves by mutual consent, pg 33)

redbuttle

Jones did say he was going to be ruthless. People on here took the piss when nothing seemed to be happening.  He's done it now and everyone is shocked. 

Weegie Addick

I hope Doc gets a well deserved new gig soon

WestStandPete

Really hope he finds a club quickly. Whatever you thought of Greg Docherty as a player no one can doubt that he gave 100% every game. He will certainly get a round of applause from me if he comes back with another team & gets my thanks for a valuable contribution to our club. He looked like he cared , which isn’t something you can say about every player who has pulled on the red shirt over the years. Under Nathan Jones though I’ll be amazed if we don’t see any player now who gives anything other than 100% as he demands nothing less & I’m sure that is one of the reasons , amongst others, why he respects Doc so much. 

Brownie12

redbuttle said:

Jones did say he was going to be ruthless. People on here took the piss when nothing seemed to be happening.  He's done it now and everyone is shocked. 

I don’t think people are shocked. The Docherty thing was the right call.  Think people are probably more disappointed (for want of a better of a good word), because he was a likable player, a 100%er and a good captain - rather than his playing ability. The general consensus is that it was the right move for all concerned. 

Pelling1993

A real shame he didn't get a proper send off. If he hasn't signed for a club by next week it would be nice to see him on Wednesday to say thank you.

North Lower Neil

I presume he was actually released before the window closed and just the announcement was later?

AberystwythAddick

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SDAddick

North Lower Neil said:

I presume he was actually released before the window closed and just the announcement was later?

I would assume so as that would allow him to play for a new club in England during the autumn/winter. Usually that's how these things work. Coady is another one where it was just before the deadline. I suspect with Doc it's a case of "we'll try to find you a move, if not, we'll pay you X amount and send you on your way with our best wishes." I suspect he was told he wasn't going to be part of the 25 man squad and agreed to it. 

Athletico Charlton

Great captain for us, only a short stay of 2 years or so but leaves us in a great position.  Hopefully find himself a nice club soon.  Will always be welcome back.

Alwaysneil

KingKinsella said:

Chunes said:

I'll never forget the pain of watching Charlton teams, season upon season, not battling, not doing the basics, not playing with any fight or passion. Doch's captaincy seems like a big part of the change that turned the tides for us. He was not really my cup of tea as a player, but I couldn't fault the leader and he's played a huge role in getting us where we are now. 

I'm hoping he's one of the few Charlton players who doesn't get booed upon their return.

Good summation- I don't think anyone will boo-(who's got a brain)

Anyone who boos him should get a lifetime ban, even in the v unlikely event he is playing for millwall or palace

Leuth

Booing him would be roughly equivalent to booing Jason Pearce as he shepherds a skein of wide-eyed teenagers on a lap of The Valley 

Henry Irving

Alwaysneil said:

KingKinsella said:

Chunes said:

I'll never forget the pain of watching Charlton teams, season upon season, not battling, not doing the basics, not playing with any fight or passion. Doch's captaincy seems like a big part of the change that turned the tides for us. He was not really my cup of tea as a player, but I couldn't fault the leader and he's played a huge role in getting us where we are now. 

I'm hoping he's one of the few Charlton players who doesn't get booed upon their return.

Good summation- I don't think anyone will boo-(who's got a brain)

Anyone who boos him should get a lifetime ban, even in the v unlikely event he is playing for millwall or palace

Millwall do have an injury crisis

EugenesAxe

The Red Robin said:

EugenesAxe said:

Alwaysneil said:

Just after his holiday in Turkey visiting the dentist.

Won’t find many people in Scotland with teeth

Corrected it for you. 

I'll set em up you knock em in 

CaptainRobbo

Blucher said:

As Dean Keily observed in an interview for ‘My Only Desire’ magazine, it’s the manager’s job to replace you in the team with someone better and your job, as a player, to make that as hard as possible for him through your performances.

I’ve no idea what, if anything, went on behind the scenes between the manager and The Doc, although I suspect that Nathan is simply making a decision (granted a tough one) which is in the best interests of Charlton Athletic. That is, after all, his job.

Things change at football clubs, as they always have and always will. Even the greats, like Mark Kinsella, reach a point where it’s time and they have to move on.

Hopefully Doc’s status as a free agent will help him negotiate a good deal at another club. He still has a lot to offer as a player and a model professional.

Deano was replaced by Nicky Weaver 🤔 

The Red Robin

CaptainRobbo said:

Blucher said:

As Dean Keily observed in an interview for ‘My Only Desire’ magazine, it’s the manager’s job to replace you in the team with someone better and your job, as a player, to make that as hard as possible for him through your performances.

I’ve no idea what, if anything, went on behind the scenes between the manager and The Doc, although I suspect that Nathan is simply making a decision (granted a tough one) which is in the best interests of Charlton Athletic. That is, after all, his job.

Things change at football clubs, as they always have and always will. Even the greats, like Mark Kinsella, reach a point where it’s time and they have to move on.

Hopefully Doc’s status as a free agent will help him negotiate a good deal at another club. He still has a lot to offer as a player and a model professional.

Deano was replaced by Nicky Weaver 🤔 

Thomas Myhre. But still. 

9goalswentpastperry

oohaahmortimer said:

Greg Docherty was one of the nicest blokes I ever met who played for Charlton, him and Josh Edwards went out of their way when I took a couple of my boys to the training ground a while back .
genuinely nice people .
also he won man of the match when we lost 1-2 against Preston near the end of last season and he was absolutely devastated and gutted at the result.
A real class act of a man and despite his limitations as a player one I will think of fondly in years to come.
top man 

You've reminded me of when I first knew about Docherty's good character. (I may even have posted it on here at the time.) I was leaving Lord's after a day at the Test the summer we signed him and I was wearing a Charlton top of some description. An incredibly drunk northern bloke (a Hull fan it transpired)  staggered over to me and slurred "Greg Docherty.  What a player and what a man. You've got a good one." Then a pause as he walked away, then turned back and added "and his old man. He's a top bloke as well."  Made me chuckle at the time but the sozzled Tiger was bang on the money. I will assume Greg's good character comes from his dad so our man was correct on both counts. 

Thanks for the memories, Greg, you have helped elevate our club to the next level and I will always be grateful to you for that. 

queensland_addick

It's sad, because players such as Doc are unfortunately an increasingly rare breed these days. Not just in terms of ability alone, rather the complete package, the 100% effort, the loyalty and commitment, the pride and responsibility he displayed in captaining the club.

A great role model for the other players, particularly the younger ones 

But I'm pleased he's left on good terms and with his legacy intact 
Far better this way than playing the odd 20 minutes here and there, when it would have been hard to perform to the best of his ability.

rikofold

Blucher said:

As Dean Keily observed in an interview for ‘My Only Desire’ magazine, it’s the manager’s job to replace you in the team with someone better and your job, as a player, to make that as hard as possible for him through your performances.

I’ve no idea what, if anything, went on behind the scenes between the manager and The Doc, although I suspect that Nathan is simply making a decision (granted a tough one) which is in the best interests of Charlton Athletic. That is, after all, his job.

Things change at football clubs, as they always have and always will. Even the greats, like Mark Kinsella, reach a point where it’s time and they have to move on.

Hopefully Doc’s status as a free agent will help him negotiate a good deal at another club. He still has a lot to offer as a player and a model professional.

Obviously I'm not comparing the two managers, but one of Alex Ferguson's strengths was knowing when it was time for a player to move on, and that was indeed sometimes because there was a fall out - Roy Keane being the obvious example.

I think the truth might be that the club is moving beyond Doc now. It is sad when players who have had such an impact and a big role in moving us forward no longer quite fit, and I'm sure if the squad limits weren't in place he'd still be here, but even if NJ is being a prick the outcome for Doc would be the same - little game time at a point in his career he probably (and rightly) feels he should be playing regularly.

If we slip into a relegation battle we might regret not having him around, definitely a leader and as others have said a brilliant captain. He should be remembered very fondly and for a long time, but tough though it might be, today it's probably the right decision for everyone.

Wish him the best. He'll make a big difference to his next team, no doubt. 

rikofold

9goalswentpastperry said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Greg Docherty was one of the nicest blokes I ever met who played for Charlton, him and Josh Edwards went out of their way when I took a couple of my boys to the training ground a while back .
genuinely nice people .
also he won man of the match when we lost 1-2 against Preston near the end of last season and he was absolutely devastated and gutted at the result.
A real class act of a man and despite his limitations as a player one I will think of fondly in years to come.
top man 

You've reminded me of when I first knew about Docherty's good character. (I may even have posted it on here at the time.) I was leaving Lord's after a day at the Test the summer we signed him and I was wearing a Charlton top of some description. An incredibly drunk northern bloke (a Hull fan it transpired)  staggered over to me and slurred "Greg Docherty.  What a player and what a man. You've got a good one." Then a pause as he walked away, then turned back and added "and his old man. He's a top bloke as well."  Made me chuckle at the time but the sozzled Tiger was bang on the money. I will assume Greg's good character comes from his dad so our man was correct on both counts. 

Thanks for the memories, Greg, you have helped elevate our club to the next level and I will always be grateful to you for that. 

You sure that wasn't his dad? 

wmcf123

CaptainRobbo said:

Blucher said:

As Dean Keily observed in an interview for ‘My Only Desire’ magazine, it’s the manager’s job to replace you in the team with someone better and your job, as a player, to make that as hard as possible for him through your performances.

I’ve no idea what, if anything, went on behind the scenes between the manager and The Doc, although I suspect that Nathan is simply making a decision (granted a tough one) which is in the best interests of Charlton Athletic. That is, after all, his job.

Things change at football clubs, as they always have and always will. Even the greats, like Mark Kinsella, reach a point where it’s time and they have to move on.

Hopefully Doc’s status as a free agent will help him negotiate a good deal at another club. He still has a lot to offer as a player and a model professional.

Deano was replaced by Nicky Weaver 🤔 

Not true , as has been pointed out .  Deano had been in decline , although did have a few good years after us.  I don’t think many of us were contesting him coming out of the side at the time .  He is , by a mile, the best keeper I’ve seen at Charlton- his first few years were immense.  Jones has done a good job in stripping out a lot of players that were mid to top end league one players as individuals but found wanting at this level .  

CaptainRobbo

wmcf123 said:

Rob7Lee said:

Best captain we've had since Jackson. Quality fella, shame to see him go, but can understand why.

He's a top top pro, he'll find a club no problem I'm sure, lots of clubs would like to take him (on a free).

Classy goodbye message, but is he really the first promotion captain to the stay the up the following year? Wasn't Jackson captain under Powell?

Jason Pearce was as good a captain as Docherty , admittedly in a much worse team after the 2019 playoffs 

Must admit that I never saw Doc rugby tackle anyone. 
Could be something he introduces to his game.

SporadicAddick

SDAddick said:

North Lower Neil said:

I presume he was actually released before the window closed and just the announcement was later?

I would assume so as that would allow him to play for a new club in England during the autumn/winter. Usually that's how these things work. Coady is another one where it was just before the deadline. I suspect with Doc it's a case of "we'll try to find you a move, if not, we'll pay you X amount and send you on your way with our best wishes." I suspect he was told he wasn't going to be part of the 25 man squad and agreed to it. 

Post WBA Jones said he would have played. I suspect he would have been part of the 25 if he had accepted his game time might be limited. Jones also said "but he wanted to play" (paraphrased). Therefore my take is that he recognised he would potentially have limited minutes which wasn't in his interest, and Jones took the opportunity to create space in the squad, a solution that worked for both parties.

Leuth

As for his next destination...I can think of a side whose double pivot is Karoy Anderson and Albie Morgan. Could you replace the latter with Greg and have the double-pivot from hell (for opposition midfielders in possession), or is Albie's forward passing necessary? @Hertsseasider what say you 

Leuth

Alternatively, 

Manager Andy Woodman says his new signings have to get "into the Bromley way" quickly and has accused his squad of showing a "soft underbelly".

Would our Greg join such a project? He's what they absolutely need, but can they match his wage demands or ambition? 

Leuth

Or will Preston simply grab him in a panic lol

Leuth

Another possibility is Oxford, whose double pivot appears to be Brannagan plus one of two youngsters. Bearing in mind their transfer embargo and the departed BDK, Docherty surely offers another option in there 

randy andy

Leuth said:

Alternatively, 

Manager Andy Woodman says his new signings have to get "into the Bromley way" quickly and has accused his squad of showing a "soft underbelly".

Would our Greg join such a project? He's what they absolutely need, but can they match his wage demands or ambition? 

Bromley would be a great move from a non-footballing point of view. He can stay in the same house, kids can stay in the same school(s), etc. And as you say, Bromley are desperate for his sort of player.

CaptainRobbo

robroy said:

Nice write up on Cawleys subtract.

Doc signed because he witnessed NJ fighting a seagull on holiday, what an odd story haha. 

Pelling1993

Leuth said:

Alternatively, 

Manager Andy Woodman says his new signings have to get "into the Bromley way" quickly and has accused his squad of showing a "soft underbelly".

Would our Greg join such a project? He's what they absolutely need, but can they match his wage demands or ambition? 

He'd be a brilliant signing for Bromley. I don't know if Doc's wife is also Scottish but perhaps the fancy a move closer to home?

soapboxsam

Leuth said:

Alternatively, 

Manager Andy Woodman says his new signings have to get "into the Bromley way" quickly and has accused his squad of showing a "soft underbelly".

Would our Greg join such a project? He's what they absolutely need, but can they match his wage demands or ambition? 

Wage demands for footballers have to be commensurate with supply and demand, and where they are in their careerrs
Greg is 30 next week and how many suitors will he have ?
Plenty in League 1 or Scotland I would've thought.

I don't know exactly where Docherty has lived in the past 2 years but if he doesn't want to uproot and Bromley can pay a reasonable wage then it could be a good match as Bromley have had a shocking last two matches and need Greg's leadership.