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Greg Docherty
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Ahadme is playing as a striker, having always played as a.. striker. You can't develop touch and control at his age.redbuttle said:
Agreed, but nobody is using that argument when talking about Ahadme.Todds_right_hook said:New signings need time. Is he with his family, is he on a hotel, these could affect performance. Different training techniques, different facilities at the training ground (worse probably) and playing a slightly different role and tactics all mean players need time to settle.0 -
Totally agree. Downside of being a striker is when things go wrong for the team you’re always the lightening rod, the flip side is when the team is winning and creating goals for you to score you’re the heroGarrymanilow said:
Interesting isn't it. I've noticed that too, there's 953 comments on Ahadme's thread and 239 on this one. Given their playing history and the fact Docherty is far more experienced as well as being our captain I've been more disappointed with his performances. Ahadme definitely gets the worst of it on here thoughredbuttle said:
Agreed, but nobody is using that argument when talking about Ahadme.Todds_right_hook said:New signings need time. Is he with his family, is he on a hotel, these could affect performance. Different training techniques, different facilities at the training ground (worse probably) and playing a slightly different role and tactics all mean players need time to settle.1 -
At his age you can learn to use your body better, improve your confidence, get stronger, work on your decision making and reading of the game etc.wmcf123 said:
Ahadme is playing as a striker, having always played as a.. striker. You can't develop touch and control at his age.redbuttle said:
Agreed, but nobody is using that argument when talking about Ahadme.Todds_right_hook said:New signings need time. Is he with his family, is he on a hotel, these could affect performance. Different training techniques, different facilities at the training ground (worse probably) and playing a slightly different role and tactics all mean players need time to settle.
All those things and more would help any striker. I doubt the issues are purely down to technical ability.
Not saying he’ll improve, but our football hasn’t got the best out of any midfielder or striker.6 -
I’d like to see him (Docherty) back in the side. He and Godden need to be starting games now.6
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Callumcafc said:I’d like to see him (Docherty) back in the side. He and Godden need to be starting games now.
Not just back in the side but back in and playing his natural game and not worrying about breaking into the box and scoring. Leave that to Berry, Godden and whoever partners him.2 -
Yep, Doc needs to show why he was selected captain. I was very excited about this signing, but he's quietly faded from the team and it hasn't been spoke about much.
Needs to start every game and show his worth, need the seasoned players like himself and Berry to step up.3 -
Think there's a simple reason for that. Docherty has been largely invisible. Ahadme has been very visible - given we hit the ball in his direction endlessly.Garrymanilow said:
Interesting isn't it. I've noticed that too, there's 953 comments on Ahadme's thread and 239 on this one. Given their playing history and the fact Docherty is far more experienced as well as being our captain I've been more disappointed with his performances. Ahadme definitely gets the worst of it on here thoughredbuttle said:
Agreed, but nobody is using that argument when talking about Ahadme.Todds_right_hook said:New signings need time. Is he with his family, is he on a hotel, these could affect performance. Different training techniques, different facilities at the training ground (worse probably) and playing a slightly different role and tactics all mean players need time to settle.4 -
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:3 - Sponsored links:
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One wonders whether @Callumcafc is factoring all this into his model
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Haha in model terms, sure not going to weight a press conference like this too heavily until there’s concrete proof that it’s more than just noise.Leuth said:One wonders whether @Callumcafc is factoring all this into his model0 -
I literally watched fans throwing wanker hand signs at him and telling him to f off on Tuesday.Leuth said:
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:
We can't get upset if he's frustrated and gives it back a little. He's under pressure, and less than 10 games in people are turning on him. It's absurd.14 -
The speed people are turning on him is mad.Braziliance said:
I literally watched fans throwing wanker hand signs at him and telling him to f off on Tuesday.Leuth said:
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:
We can't get upset if he's frustrated and gives it back a little. He's under pressure, and less than 10 games in people are turning on him. It's absurd.8 -
It only makes sense to Jones.Athletico Charlton said:When Jones bought him in he said Docherty would play forwards and get us goals.
Docherty is 28 yrs old and has a record of 21 goals in 300 games. That averages at say 3 a season across 45 games.
He is, I assume, a defensive midfielder being asked to play an attacking role.
It doesn't make sense to me.1 -
I don't disagree Scoham, but at the same time on the occasions these players are in a position to play a bit they haven't shown much yet. Usually, you get a few flashes of what they might have to offer - even Marcus Maddison scored that one screamer. Either that or they really do never show anything and turn into a Charlie Kirk situation. People have pointed to the fact that May started a bit slowly last season but it was only 4 games and even then you got those flashes of what he was about. That's the thing that is looking a bit concerning for me, there just hasn't been much sign of anything but obviously I hope things improve and soon so I'm not writing anyone off yet, just expressing concerns.Scoham said:
I’m sure that’ll turn out to be the case for some of them.Exiled_Addick said:
Go back a year and if someone had said Hector is no better than Innis you’d have been on here telling us about his record at Fulham. A year later and it’s not unreasonable to say Hector was no better for us than Innis. Just because a player was once good doesn’t mean they always will be. We’ve had a bad habit in recent years of signing players just as their form goes off a cliff. Once upon a time you could point to players like Simon Francis (and quite a few others) and say there was something wrong with us because players would be bad here but good again when they left. That trend has ended and now they seem to turn bad here and then stay bad and drop down the leagues. If these players we’ve signed are all decent Championship players, why did no one in the championship want them? The early signs are it’s because they’re not championship standard anymore.Callumcafc said:
This is insanity. You’re talking nonsense after one disappointing result.Oh Eddie Youds... said:It’s the same shit every year. We ship out a load of players each summer & replace them with other shit players.
Is Ahadme any better than Connor Wickham?
Is Docherty any better than Albie Morgan?
Is Alan Campbell any better than Louis Watson?
Is Gillesphey any better than Terrell Thomas?
Is REG any better than Hector?
Honestly don’t think there is much difference in many of the above changes (some look much worse than what we had previously!)
We just go round and round recycling players that are not good enough to get us out of this league.Of the five examples you’ve given, four that we have now are obviously better than the alternatives you’ve listed.- Docherty integral to Hull winning this league and made regular appearances in the Championship, Albie mid table fodder at this level.- Alan Campbell integral to Luton’s Championship promotion, Louis Watson can’t find a club.- Gillesphey integral to Plymouth winning this league, Terrell’s struggling at League 2 Carlisle.- REG an important piece in Rotherham’s promotion out of this league, Hector clearly past it and can’t find a club.
- Ahadme isn’t a better player than Wickham but CW spends more time on the physio’s table than Chuks.
Allan Campbell though only turned 26 in the summer. He played regularly when Luton won the Championship playoffs. It didn’t work out at Millwall, but they went through 3 managers. At his age I find it hard to believe he’s coasting as we’ve seen players do in the past.
I think we’re not seeing the best of some of these players and the style is a big factor. The midfield watch the ball fly over their heads all game. Ahadme isn’t the target man we needed. TC plays like the winger he is. Even when the midfield do get on the ball, they’re all similar types of players. We don’t keep the ball long enough and then pass quick enough at the right times to get the wing backs into dangerous areas to create chances. It’s no wonder only the defending has looked good at times this season, while our attacking play has rarely impressed.
I guess my general point is players are like stocks and shares - past performance is no guarantee of future results. Age is no guarantee either - Francis Jeffers peaked at about 19 years old and then his form descended pretty quickly from there. It's about getting the players at the right time, which is not necessarily as easy to identify or predict as fans might like to think.0 -
No different to when people lost their rag at Chris Powell and the players at the end of the Dagenham and Redbridge away game back in March 2011Braziliance said:
I literally watched fans throwing wanker hand signs at him and telling him to f off on Tuesday.Leuth said:
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:
We can't get upset if he's frustrated and gives it back a little. He's under pressure, and less than 10 games in people are turning on him. It's absurd.
And that was Powell’s 12th league game in charge. (That was no wins in 8 after that Dagenham game)1 -
Worth a read of some threads from around that time - a reminder of how quickly things can change in footballshirty5 said:
No different to when people lost their rag at Chris Powell and the players at the end of the Dagenham and Redbridge away game back in March 2011Braziliance said:
I literally watched fans throwing wanker hand signs at him and telling him to f off on Tuesday.Leuth said:
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:
We can't get upset if he's frustrated and gives it back a little. He's under pressure, and less than 10 games in people are turning on him. It's absurd.
And that was Powell’s 12th league game in charge. (That was no wins in 8 after that Dagenham game)
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/40404/what-now/p1
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I guess the difference there is that was before we rebuilt the squad in the summer transfer window. This current malaise comes after we've signed a lot of players that Jones, supposedly, wanted. It was that rebuild that was the catalyst for the turnaround under Powell, that's not an option for Jones at the moment.Callumcafc said:
Worth a read of some threads from around that time - a reminder of how quickly things can change in footballshirty5 said:
No different to when people lost their rag at Chris Powell and the players at the end of the Dagenham and Redbridge away game back in March 2011Braziliance said:
I literally watched fans throwing wanker hand signs at him and telling him to f off on Tuesday.Leuth said:
This is the language and narky defensiveness of someone who's entered a bunker mentality with his own playing squad let alone the media or fansshirty5 said:
We can't get upset if he's frustrated and gives it back a little. He's under pressure, and less than 10 games in people are turning on him. It's absurd.
And that was Powell’s 12th league game in charge. (That was no wins in 8 after that Dagenham game)
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/40404/what-now/p10 - Sponsored links:
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shirty5 said:
“I don’t leave people out of the team who I feel are in wonderful form. I just have to make those decisions."
Unless it's Alex mitchell.....
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the tone of that press release seems very much like NJ is going into himself. That’s a dangerous state it can create a siege mentality that brings about a positive change or alternatively precedes a massive meltdown if things don’t improve. Saturdays post match interview could get tasty0
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Thought we finally got to see what he’s good at today. He’s was excellent. He looked much more comfortable playing deeper and sweeping second balls and being the second line of the press with little expectation to try and drive us forward. Based on that I’m not sure NJ is right that he’s a number 8 in the making but he looked good today.9
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He’s got a knack of stealing the ball off of opposition players from behind when they don’t even realise he’s there. Showed intelligence with some of his passes into space when we needed to run the clock down as well.
He did brilliant today. Saw the best of his game.8 -
He was unbelievable today. A right shit in that midfield for birmingham, love it.2
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Superb today1
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Agree with the above, they couldn’t cope with his aggression when tackling2
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He was a round peg, in a round hole today... Didnt try to play him too far forward, instead stuck him next to Coventry, those two could do the donkey work in front of the defence - Allowing Campbell and Anderson to do the donkey work further forward.
More of the same in two weeks please.6 -
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Yeah, perhaps Jones has been trying to be just a little bit too clever for his own good with all the stuff about converting him or adding to his game.ForeverAddickted said:He was a round peg, in a round hole today... Didnt try to play him too far forward, instead stuck him next to Coventry, those two could do the donkey work in front of the defence - Allowing Campbell and Anderson to do the donkey work further forward.
More of the same in two weeks please.
Just let him play in the style and position he likes to play and you get a very effective player.3
