This athlete failed two biochemical tests set out by the boxing association. Two. They deemed this athlete was not suitable to fight in women’s boxing. Yet the Olympics Association has chosen to ignore this.
The Paralympic’s manages to set clear definition in categories for all athletes to compete fairly, why can’t the same be applied if this really is more of an issue than just being a man or a woman? If there really are countless humans out there that don’t easily fall into either category then a complete overhaul should be considered. And as such, until then, all we can do is follow the science as has been suggested. And as such, this athlete should not have been allowed in the ring today.
They were testosterone tests.
These women aren't doping, they have naturally occuring testosterone due to medical/natural advantages given to them at birth.
They are factually women. Where you set the rules doesn't change that they are women competing in a women's event. If you decide that testosterone levels should be set as a rule, then you are choosing to exclude women from a women's event and shouldn't be done lightly.
As a sidenote: Khelif (the women in question) competed in Tokyo 4 years ago but there was no outcry. Why? Because she was beaten in the quarter finals.
No, the IBA statement that @KBslittlesis posted a couple of pages ago specifically says it wasn't a testosterone test but something else. And there is a vast difference between the "naturally high" testosterone levels that a female athlete (say one with PCOS) has, and those of one that has a male DSD like Caster Semenya, where they've got XY chromosomes and internal testes, produce testosterone at close to normal male levels and have a body that can use it. If you've been incorrectly assigned as female at birth due to a male DSD, you may be socially female but still have male sporting advantage, and in punching sports like boxing that is particularly acute, given male punch strength is more than double female one. It's a matter of safety, not just fairness.
What were the results? You're posting history is a little ambiguous on this 🤣
I didn't take the quiz - tbh, I thought the fact I've never been attracted to or shagged any men probably meant it was a foregone conclusion... 😏
Or you're really ugly, and all the men rejected you
To be honest, that might be the case now. In fact, it IS the case now. But I was a handsome motherfucker when I was young (OK, not 'handsome' but 'less ugly') and actually ran a bar in a club that ran gay nights and used to get chatted up by blokes a lot. Fuck knows why - I had long hair, which - going by every single gay bloke I've ever known or met - is about as common in the gay community as tits on a bull, but there we go. In the words of Al Murray 'I WAS NEVER CONFUSED'
Still not sure what the point of the 'quiz' is in the ad though. Surely it's pretty self explanatory? 🤣
This athlete failed two biochemical tests set out by the boxing association. Two. They deemed this athlete was not suitable to fight in women’s boxing. Yet the Olympics Association has chosen to ignore this.
The Paralympic’s manages to set clear definition in categories for all athletes to compete fairly, why can’t the same be applied if this really is more of an issue than just being a man or a woman? If there really are countless humans out there that don’t easily fall into either category then a complete overhaul should be considered. And as such, until then, all we can do is follow the science as has been suggested. And as such, this athlete should not have been allowed in the ring today.
They were testosterone tests.
These women aren't doping, they have naturally occuring testosterone due to medical/natural advantages given to them at birth.
They are factually women. Where you set the rules doesn't change that they are women competing in a women's event. If you decide that testosterone levels should be set as a rule, then you are choosing to exclude women from a women's event and shouldn't be done lightly.
As a sidenote: Khelif (the women in question) competed in Tokyo 4 years ago but there was no outcry. Why? Because she was beaten in the quarter finals.
No, the IBA statement that @KBslittlesis posted a couple of pages ago specifically says it wasn't a testosterone test but something else. And there is a vast difference between the "naturally high" testosterone levels that a female athlete (say one with PCOS) has, and those of one that has a male DSD like Caster Semenya, where they've got XY chromosomes and internal testes, produce testosterone at close to normal male levels and have a body that can use it. If you've been incorrectly assigned as female at birth due to a male DSD, you may be socially female but still have male sporting advantage, and in punching sports like boxing that is particularly acute, given male punch strength is more than double female one. It's a matter of safety, not just fairness.
I don’t believe the IBA are particularly credible on this issue.
“We have evidence that this athlete isn’t male but we’re not going to tell you what it is, just believe us”
Must be a coincidence that the Russian led IBA only DQ’ed Khelif from their competitions a few days after she had beaten a Russian opponent in the World Boxing Championship.
You’re right that if it’s a DSD situation then it becomes a very complex one but at the moment all that’s happened is the IBA have whipped up an anti-LGBTQ frenzy without producing any evidence for their claims.
Born a woman, competes in women's boxing. Unless she's intersex (a la Caster Semenya, when it's a much more difficult decision) then she has no case to answer.
For a parallel, Chris Boardman was measured as having LOW testosterone for a male, so you could argue that he had a natural disadvantage, and competed in a sport where testosterone is routinely abused by men to give them an unnatural advantage.
Yes, but having a smaller undercarriage made him more aero in his skinsuit so it all balanced out
and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground
Yeah - now that's a definite point. It's almost impossible to catch it on camera, and they're so good at it that it requires loads of spotters to check - with the penalties seeming pretty arbitrary tbh
I prefer the Turkish chap, that South Korean woman is trying WAY too hard...
I do reckon that if it was a film Turkish guy would take out the Korean assassin, sort of like that scene in Indiana Jones where he just tiredly sighs and shoots the guy with the massive knife.
and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground
Yeah - now that's a definite point. It's almost impossible to catch it on camera, and they're so good at it that it requires loads of spotters to check - with the penalties seeming pretty arbitrary tbh
I read that they installed special cameras a few years back to detect when both feet were off the ground or knees were bent. But the cameras found that so many racers were so breaking the rules so frequently that they just got rid of the technology in the end. Leaves me wondering what the rules actually are.
and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground
Until Chunes post it seemed inconceivable that in 21st century, technology can't intervene. Answer is probably some cheap tech that walkers can use to train out their own misdemeanors.
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Still not sure what the point of the 'quiz' is in the ad though. Surely it's pretty self explanatory? 🤣
“We have evidence that this athlete isn’t male but we’re not going to tell you what it is, just believe us”
Must be a coincidence that the Russian led IBA only DQ’ed Khelif from their competitions a few days after she had beaten a Russian opponent in the World Boxing Championship.
You’re right that if it’s a DSD situation then it becomes a very complex one but at the moment all that’s happened is the IBA have whipped up an anti-LGBTQ frenzy without producing any evidence for their claims.
Absolute classic.
Only just completed Goldeneye on Gamecube
Probably built like Fatima Whitbread.