Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
Emile Cairess fourth in the marathon. We do seem to be getting a lot of 4th places, but this one was a case of winning the sprint for 4th when the top 3 were a long way up the road, not the usual thing of missing a medal by a tiny fraction. And he'd been contesting the medals for quite a lot of the race which can't have made that sprint any easier. Well done.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
I find it bizarre, and actually quite worrying, that some people can form some very clear and entrenched views based on "facts" that just aren't true at all.
Obviously we've seen that recently with all the aggro around the UK, but this is another example of where the facts don't seem to trouble some people.
For example, my mum is insistent that the Algerian "is a man", even though nobody in any sort of official, or semi-official, capacity has ever said that, as far as I'm aware.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
I find it bizarre, and actually quite worrying, that some people can form some very clear and entrenched views based on "facts" that just aren't true at all.
Obviously we've seen that recently with all the aggro around the UK, but this is another example of where the facts don't seem to trouble some people.
For example, my mum is insistent that the Algerian "is a man", even though nobody in any sort of official, or semi-official, capacity has ever said that, as far as I'm aware.
Russian propaganda.
Gold for China in the 102kg male weightlifting. Great atmosphere with a lot or Chinese and Armenian fans in attendance. I kept my union flag in the bag as we didn't have anyone competing but quite a few were on display.
Incredible seeing people snatching 160kg as easy as i can do 20 kg (no plates) proper Olympians.
Just read about the other American woman who received a gold for the 400 metres.
Lashinda Demus (amongst others) was awarded hers in a ceremony at the Trochadero yesterday, after being cheated out of gold in 2012 by a Russian drug taking rogue. Heaven knows why it takes so long to right these wrongs? I believe that samples are stored in order for the technology to catch up in some cases.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
I wasn’t talking about the boxer in question when I said that. Leaving aside the IBA, the IOC used the fact that this particular boxer was identified as female on her birth certificate therefore her passport says female. Thats it, that’s the evidence that was deemed good enough.
Thats not science. Until real science is used, I refuse to be told by any man that there hasn’t been an injustice here.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
I wasn’t talking about the boxer in question when I said that. Leaving aside the IBA, the IOC used the fact that this particular boxer was identified as female on her birth certificate therefore her passport says female. Thats it, that’s the evidence that was deemed good enough.
Thats not science. Until real science is used, I refuse to be told by any man that there hasn’t been an injustice here.
I'm on the fence on this difficult issue, but if you weren't talking about the boxer in question that everyone else is talking about, who/what are you talking about?
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
Pathetic response to something you clearly know nothing about and have just jumped on the bigot bandwagon. Have a look at yourself and maybe educate yourself on the situation before labelling someone as a "man" when they fundamentally are not, it's at best incredibly ignorant and at worst transphobic
Pathetic is assuming I was actually talking about the boxer here. I wasn’t How do you know I know nothing about it? I do. How am I being transphobic when this particular boxer isn’t trans? They identify as female and I’m not disputing the fact that they identify as such. That’s up to them. What isn’t right is that there has been no evidence that she is scientifically a female. And I refuse to be lectured to by men (because let’s face it, most on here in the boxers corner, are men) that tell me my and other women’s reservations on this issue are irrelevant and then throw the anti trans rubbish at us.
What evidence do you need?
Her passport says she is female and I'm sure her birth certificate says the same thing. If you say that having a womb/female external organs is evidence then would you want every female competitor strip-searched before every event, removing them of their dignity? Or only the 'manly' looking ones? What if she passed that, is that enough? If you say it's about the XX chromosome. There's 1 in every 25,000 men that have a XX chromosome. Are they now allowed, as men, to compete in a female event because of their chromosomes?
This is why the talk about 'they're not female enough' is such a difficult thing to judge and measure.
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
Pathetic response to something you clearly know nothing about and have just jumped on the bigot bandwagon. Have a look at yourself and maybe educate yourself on the situation before labelling someone as a "man" when they fundamentally are not, it's at best incredibly ignorant and at worst transphobic
Pathetic is assuming I was actually talking about the boxer here. I wasn’t How do you know I know nothing about it? I do. How am I being transphobic when this particular boxer isn’t trans? They identify as female and I’m not disputing the fact that they identify as such. That’s up to them. What isn’t right is that there has been no evidence that she is scientifically a female. And I refuse to be lectured to by men (because let’s face it, most on here in the boxers corner, are men) that tell me my and other women’s reservations on this issue are irrelevant and then throw the anti trans rubbish at us.
Pretty sure the Russians who did the test were men. Want them to test you?
Men telling me that a man winning a women’s event is irrelevant.
Yeah, cheers guys.
She isn't a man. No-one is claiming that she's a man, including those who are claiming that she has a chromosomal irregularity that would make her ineligible for women's sport. The people making those claims have no credibility, but even they don't think she's trans.
The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
I wasn’t talking about the boxer in question when I said that. Leaving aside the IBA, the IOC used the fact that this particular boxer was identified as female on her birth certificate therefore her passport says female. Thats it, that’s the evidence that was deemed good enough.
Thats not science. Until real science is used, I refuse to be told by any man that there hasn’t been an injustice here.
Hang on, hang on. I know this can be an emotive subject, but that's the second or third time you've said you're refusing to listen to opinions just because they have been given by men. Is that really what you meant to say? If so then that's a very slippery slope to be going down ....... it's in the same ball park as a man saying he wouldn't listen to the opinion of a woman about football, just because shes a woman.
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The lack of credibility of the IBA doesn't in itself prove that they're lying, neither does the fact that when they held their press conference they couldn't even agree what test they were claiming they'd run that she'd failed. But I want to seem some actual evidence before we start disqualifying people, and I want to know why that evidence wasn't presented to the IOC in advance so that, if one or both of the two boxers isn't eligible, they could have been excluded without ruining the competition for everyone else.
Obviously we've seen that recently with all the aggro around the UK, but this is another example of where the facts don't seem to trouble some people.
For example, my mum is insistent that the Algerian "is a man", even though nobody in any sort of official, or semi-official, capacity has ever said that, as far as I'm aware.
Starting with Harry Potter - which was shit.
Gold for China in the 102kg male weightlifting. Great atmosphere with a lot or Chinese and Armenian fans in attendance. I kept my union flag in the bag as we didn't have anyone competing but quite a few were on display.
Incredible seeing people snatching 160kg as easy as i can do 20 kg (no plates) proper Olympians.
Lashinda Demus (amongst others) was awarded hers in a ceremony at the Trochadero yesterday, after being cheated out of gold in 2012 by a Russian drug taking rogue. Heaven knows why it takes so long to right these wrongs? I believe that samples are stored in order for the technology to catch up in some cases.
https://sports.yahoo.com/olympic-medal-reallocation-ceremony-finally-gives-lashinda-demus-and-erik-kynard-their-golden-moment-12-years-later-115409002.html
Leaving aside the IBA, the IOC used the fact that this particular boxer was identified as female on her birth certificate therefore her passport says female.
Thats it, that’s the evidence that was deemed good enough.
Thats not science.
Until real science is used, I refuse to be told by any man that there hasn’t been an injustice here.
Her passport says she is female and I'm sure her birth certificate says the same thing.
If you say that having a womb/female external organs is evidence then would you want every female competitor strip-searched before every event, removing them of their dignity? Or only the 'manly' looking ones? What if she passed that, is that enough?
If you say it's about the XX chromosome. There's 1 in every 25,000 men that have a XX chromosome. Are they now allowed, as men, to compete in a female event because of their chromosomes?
This is why the talk about 'they're not female enough' is such a difficult thing to judge and measure.
And he wins!
Wrestling next.