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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wigan Athletic v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 10th August 2024: KO 17:30

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  • edited August 12
    thenewbie said:

    We also ground out a result first game of the season last season as well, didn't end too well. I don't think there's been a single season in my lifetime where we haven't ground out a result(s), and that's the problem to be honest. Not enough hammerings.

    It's not though. Not really. 3 tedious, boring, paint-drying 1-0 wins are better than a 4-0 win, a 2-2 all draw and a loss (just for example.)

    Portsmouth went up as Champions with very few demolition results, a lot of victories by a single goal and doing the job they needed to do.

    Look at the optimism when we scored 5 in one game under Gardner... and how well that worked out in the long run.

    Would it be great to see a team that blows everyone away on a regular basis, yes it would. Does that happen at league one level? No it doesn't.
    I understand all the mathematics and scorelines of what is better for us in regards to the league table, and what isn't. Sorry to be blunt but I've now had SHG sarcastically remind me what league we are in, and now you're trying to breakdown how many points in 3 games is better for Charlton? Just doesn't seem necessary.

    Portsmouth did go up as Champions with a lot of clean sheets, they also beat sides 12 times by scoring 3 or more goals. The season prior, Ipswich did it 15 times, and Plymouth did it 12 times. Sides who go up tend to have that in their locker as well as clean sheet wins. 

    So I'd argue that teams who go up (particularly automatically), do tend to hammer a fair few sides over the course of the season and it is important for a number of reasons like confidence in the team itself, and teams fearing us. People will approach us with a different mindset if they know we like to score 1 and sit on it, rather than trying to bury teams. 

    My observation from Wigan, and our pre-season, is that we don't really have that in our locker. I'm more than ok with us winning a load of games and going up playing boring football, but it doesn't seem likely. 
  • How you can decide our problem is not enough hammerings i do not know. Bizarre
    Why is it bizarre? I've just explained why. It's the post match thread. It is for views, and people's perceptions. 

    Mine is, that was a boring game of football, and I think over the course of the season, it won't keep happening. I'm not going to join in on an echo chamber of positivity, if that's not how I saw the game myself. 

    I haven't 'decided' (not that it would matter anyway) that our issue is not scoring enough goals, just that I think it may cause us issues as the season goes on.
  • thenewbie said:
    How you can decide our problem is not enough hammerings i do not know. Bizarre
    Why is it bizarre? I've just explained why. It's the post match thread. It is for views, and people's perceptions. 

    Mine is, that was a boring game of football, and I think over the course of the season, it won't keep happening. I'm not going to join in on an echo chamber of positivity, if that's not how I saw the game myself. 

    I haven't 'decided' (not that it would matter anyway) that our issue is not scoring enough goals, just that I think it may cause us issues as the season goes on.
    You might be right... IF it remains the issue. Both Jones (N and L) said that the quality on the ball wasn't there on Saturday but also that this was something that was going to be addressed. This is not the finished product, this is not what is desired by the manager.

    We don't know if he will succeed in adding flair and a cutting edge but we do know he intends to try so it's too early to say it might cause issues over the season. Of course it might do.  But maybe it will all click and we'll start putting 2 or 3 past teams instead.
    I like that Jones is critical, should transpire to the team. 

    It is early, like I said, I've seen a lot of positives. I was impressed by Edwards and Ramsay, I was impressed by the resistance and the shape of the team, and it's nice to not look a wuss of a team like we did a lot last season. It's just stressful watching football games be that close. I'd like to see what this team can do when we go behind in a game.
  • Of course I would prefer Charlton to go to Wigan, or to any other strong club and win 3 - 0.

    But Saturday evening when the final whistle blew and we celebrated a 1 - 0 away win, I was buzzing.

    I would take 1 - 0 away every day of the week.
    It is far more preferable to last season, when we lost away to Leyton Orient, Stevenage and countless other rubbish teams.
  • I'm thinking it might be like one of those Olympic field events. You nail down a legal throw or jump first, be successful in that, and then test yourself more as the competition goes on.
  • Think it's unrealistic to expect us to go to Wigan, play free-flowing attacking football, and win. I enjoyed Saturday, because we never really looked like losing, and that was massive. I didn't feel worried about any of the back 6. Think it's harsh to label it boring. Wigan had a great chance with Asgard's 1 on 1, but let's be clear, Mannion didn't have to make a save (as I don't count the gentle back-header from their guy as a shot). That's a design for life for lots of points away from home, and gives grounds for plenty of optimism. Goals will come at home as the wing-backs get more opportunities to maraud forward. My only concern from the day was Anderson being part of the starting XI, as I don't feel he's strong enough yet to be the creative spark in a promotion winning side, so I wonder what the deal is with Berry not playing. 
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  • edited August 12
    thenewbie said:

    We also ground out a result first game of the season last season as well, didn't end too well. I don't think there's been a single season in my lifetime where we haven't ground out a result(s), and that's the problem to be honest. Not enough hammerings.

    It's not though. Not really. 3 tedious, boring, paint-drying 1-0 wins are better than a 4-0 win, a 2-2 all draw and a loss (just for example.)

    Portsmouth went up as Champions with very few demolition results, a lot of victories by a single goal and doing the job they needed to do.

    Look at the optimism when we scored 5 in one game under Gardner... and how well that worked out in the long run.

    Would it be great to see a team that blows everyone away on a regular basis, yes it would. Does that happen at league one level? No it doesn't.
    I understand all the mathematics and scorelines of what is better for us in regards to the league table, and what isn't. Sorry to be blunt but I've now had SHG sarcastically remind me what league we are in, and now you're trying to breakdown how many points in 3 games is better for Charlton? Just doesn't seem necessary.

    Portsmouth did go up as Champions with a lot of clean sheets, they also beat sides 12 times by scoring 3 or more goals. The season prior, Ipswich did it 15 times, and Plymouth did it 12 times. Sides who go up tend to have that in their locker as well as clean sheet wins. 

    So I'd argue that teams who go up (particularly automatically), do tend to hammer a fair few sides over the course of the season and it is important for a number of reasons like confidence in the team itself, and teams fearing us. People will approach us with a different mindset if they know we like to score 1 and sit on it, rather than trying to bury teams. 

    My observation from Wigan, and our pre-season, is that we don't really have that in our locker. I'm more than ok with us winning a load of games and going up playing boring football, but it doesn't seem likely. 
    I don't know why you always get so tetchy when you post an opinion and people don't agree with it. It's not condescending to be disagreed with, I don't think anyone has been rude to you there. The problem is you're creating a full season data set in your head off one game against Wigan. Pompey ground out six 1-0 wins last season, four of them away from home. They also got six 0-0s, five of them away from home and one of them against us of all people. They might have scored 3 goals in games but those matches weren't hammerings, I'd say they had three across the season; a 4-0 and two 4-1s. Plenty of dull results there for them but they didn't lose those games and that's what they needed to do.

    Ipswich loved a 1-1 in 22/23 much like we did in 11/12. They drew 1-1 SEVEN times, but no-one would say over the course of their season they didn't have firepower because they had plenty of 4-0s and one 6-0 we don't talk about. Plymouth had six 1-0 wins that same season. Oh, and those three teams' opening day results? 1-1, 1-1, 1-0.

    In his time at Luton Nathan Jones got plenty of 1-0 wins, his teams also would randomly win 7-1 or 7-0. You're writing off an awful lot of possibilities off the back of one opening game away from home, plenty of football left for us to kick a few teams.
    I am not irate, I'm posting views on a post match thread. I personally find it condescending to be reminded of what league we are in, or how points are awarded. Of course it's probably not serious, and I don't believe Newbie meant any harm in their post, but generally speaking, I don't like being the brunt of jokes, especially when it's not something you'll find me doing. If that comes across like I'm irate, so be it. 

    Again, I'm not creating a full season of data of anything. My original post is meaningless and honestly, I already regret posting it. I am not stating the season is over, that anything is definite. I'm simply saying it was a bad game of football to watch, and I hope it picks up. I'll take it if we go up playing like that, on the other hand, it's gonna be another forgetful season if we don't manage it. 

    That's it. 
  • thenewbie said:
    How you can decide our problem is not enough hammerings i do not know. Bizarre
    Why is it bizarre? I've just explained why. It's the post match thread. It is for views, and people's perceptions. 

    Mine is, that was a boring game of football, and I think over the course of the season, it won't keep happening. I'm not going to join in on an echo chamber of positivity, if that's not how I saw the game myself. 

    I haven't 'decided' (not that it would matter anyway) that our issue is not scoring enough goals, just that I think it may cause us issues as the season goes on.
    You might be right... IF it remains the issue. Both Jones (N and L) said that the quality on the ball wasn't there on Saturday but also that this was something that was going to be addressed. This is not the finished product, this is not what is desired by the manager.

    We don't know if he will succeed in adding flair and a cutting edge but we do know he intends to try so it's too early to say it might cause issues over the season. Of course it might do.  But maybe it will all click and we'll start putting 2 or 3 past teams instead.
    I like that Jones is critical, should transpire to the team. 

    It is early, like I said, I've seen a lot of positives. I was impressed by Edwards and Ramsay, I was impressed by the resistance and the shape of the team, and it's nice to not look a wuss of a team like we did a lot last season. It's just stressful watching football games be that close. I'd like to see what this team can do when we go behind in a game.
    I can see the point and honestly it's a fair one but my main positive from the game/performance was that when before we'd be making bonehead errors to give chances away, we kept it very solid and a few mistakes were made up for by a textbook tackle and a header that was arguably even better.

    Attacking play is more likely to improve over time as fitness/partnerships improve, so starting with a solid (albeit boring) display early on is fine.

    Going behind will be a big test of the players and it will also be interesting to see if Jones goes for broke in those situations but I am not going to be too stressed by a one off performance right at the beginning of the season.
  • All I care about this season is getting promotion, and I genuinely don’t care how we do it. 
    But I agree it was a boring game. 
    In past seasons we’ve had players who create moments that take your mind off poor performances. Players like Ricky Holmes, Mavididi (briefly), Conor Gallagher, CBT and Rak Sakyi. 
    Let hope the absence of players who can transform a match won’t come back to bite us on the proverbials.
  • JamesSeed said:
    All I care about this season is getting promotion, and I genuinely don’t care how we do it. 
    But I agree it was a boring game. 
    In past seasons we’ve had players who create moments that take your mind off poor performances. Players like Ricky Holmes, Mavididi (briefly), Conor Gallagher, CBT and Rak Sakyi. 
    Let hope the absence of players who can transform a match won’t come back to bite us on the proverbials.
    I don't think we are completely lacking those. TC has potential there, maybe Dixon will too, Leaburn when fit can get goals out of basically nothing on his day, hopefully Berry will have some nous and experience to come up with moments of magic.

    We didn't see it last time but I would hope we might see a few transformative players this season.
  • edited August 12
    JamesSeed said:
    All I care about this season is getting promotion, and I genuinely don’t care how we do it. 
    But I agree it was a boring game. 
    In past seasons we’ve had players who create moments that take your mind off poor performances. Players like Ricky Holmes, Mavididi (briefly), Conor Gallagher, CBT and Rak Sakyi. 
    Let hope the absence of players who can transform a match won’t come back to bite us on the proverbials.
    Same here but Saturday's performance is inconclusive in terms of what it is telling us in terms of the season. To be fair, most performances would be in isolation. We need a few more games to see the patterns. The positive is our defensive game last season was poor and it already looks better. Will we score enough goals? It is still difficult to say yet.
  • JamesSeed said:
    All I care about this season is getting promotion, and I genuinely don’t care how we do it. 
    But I agree it was a boring game. 
    In past seasons we’ve had players who create moments that take your mind off poor performances. Players like Ricky Holmes, Mavididi (briefly), Conor Gallagher, CBT and Rak Sakyi. 
    Let hope the absence of players who can transform a match won’t come back to bite us on the proverbials.
    I agree, we are short on players with a spark 

    We do have Aneke who will terrorise tired defence.
  • We have Leaburn to come in too. But question marks there to be fair.
  • thenewbie said:

    We also ground out a result first game of the season last season as well, didn't end too well. I don't think there's been a single season in my lifetime where we haven't ground out a result(s), and that's the problem to be honest. Not enough hammerings.

    It's not though. Not really. 3 tedious, boring, paint-drying 1-0 wins are better than a 4-0 win, a 2-2 all draw and a loss (just for example.)

    Portsmouth went up as Champions with very few demolition results, a lot of victories by a single goal and doing the job they needed to do.

    Look at the optimism when we scored 5 in one game under Gardner... and how well that worked out in the long run.

    Would it be great to see a team that blows everyone away on a regular basis, yes it would. Does that happen at league one level? No it doesn't.
    I understand all the mathematics and scorelines of what is better for us in regards to the league table, and what isn't. Sorry to be blunt but I've now had SHG sarcastically remind me what league we are in, and now you're trying to breakdown how many points in 3 games is better for Charlton? Just doesn't seem necessary.

    Portsmouth did go up as Champions with a lot of clean sheets, they also beat sides 12 times by scoring 3 or more goals. The season prior, Ipswich did it 15 times, and Plymouth did it 12 times. Sides who go up tend to have that in their locker as well as clean sheet wins. 

    So I'd argue that teams who go up (particularly automatically), do tend to hammer a fair few sides over the course of the season and it is important for a number of reasons like confidence in the team itself, and teams fearing us. People will approach us with a different mindset if they know we like to score 1 and sit on it, rather than trying to bury teams. 

    My observation from Wigan, and our pre-season, is that we don't really have that in our locker. I'm more than ok with us winning a load of games and going up playing boring football, but it doesn't seem likely. 
    Our 2nd forward wasn't even a  striker last season. We were missing Godden & Leaburn. Aneke fitness issues. Kanu is still raw and Dixon is awaiting a WP.
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  • one of the least eventful games in recent memory
    Wigan fluffed a couple of very decent chances
    Kane Ramsey made a terrific goal saving challenge
    Docherty probably should have scored early on
    Charlton kept the Latics at arms length fairly easily throughout
    Our substitutions maintained our level without changing much
    A Wigan defender fluffed his lines and for once the ball fell to a Charlton player with enough composure to do the necessary
    Sky Sports + coverage cut off at a predetermined time (for every game we checked) and it took them far too long to realise they'd ballsed up.  That did at least save us most of the tense minutes fully expecting us to roll over and toss away 2 points in the all too familiar fashion of the last couple of years.

  • LoOkOuT said:
    One thing I’ve not seen mentioned enough is that our set pieces are moving in the right direction. We were far more threatening from corners and free kicks than we’ve been in a long time.
    and also the mix of playing out from the back and long balls, tactics sure to keep the oppos on their guard unlike the monotony of last season .. also our press was VERY good (tactic not the South London newspaper)
  • Wigan are a decent side, to not let him have a shot on target is superb 
  • Wigan are a decent side, to not let him have a shot on target is superb 
    According to the stats, they had just the one - a looping header from a corner in the 86th minute that was so weak that Mannion had to dive forwards to catch it.
  • I understand that without opinion and views this would be a very dull forum.

    However I just don’t understand how people can extrapolate anything from the first game of the season, and make any prediction of how we will we the rest of the season based on it.




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