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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wigan Athletic v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 10th August 2024: KO 17:30

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  • PopIcon said: in
    We scraped a 1 nill win in the opening fixture last season. I vaguely remember having more enthusiasm after that match than i do today.

    A midfield of Coventry, Docherty and Anderson are going to create very little. I struggle to see where goals are going to come from.
    I am happy we scraped a win however I totally agree with you re lack of creativity in midfield, we could have played until midnight and not scored however a defensive mix up solved the problem for us
  • NabySarr said:
    People need to stop thinking about our midfield as creating chances in the traditional way, e.g a through ball or cross etc 

    Anderson and Docherty will create chances by winning the ball back in good areas. We scored goals from pre-season doing exactly that. We will set traps and pounce at the right moment. We didn’t see much of it on Saturday as Wigan are probably one of the best teams in the league at playing it out from the back, but even then we forced their keeper to kick it out of play a few times. 

    Berry is hopefully going to be a bit more traditionally creative, with that bit of extra quality. 

    As for Coventry, his job isn’t really to create, but he still made some nice passes from deep, in particular one in behind to Ramsay that led to a half chance 
    Need more movement from the two up top if that's how we plan to score goals. We won the ball back a few times in advanced positions and the 2 strikers just stood still.
  • Croydon said:
    NabySarr said:
    People need to stop thinking about our midfield as creating chances in the traditional way, e.g a through ball or cross etc 

    Anderson and Docherty will create chances by winning the ball back in good areas. We scored goals from pre-season doing exactly that. We will set traps and pounce at the right moment. We didn’t see much of it on Saturday as Wigan are probably one of the best teams in the league at playing it out from the back, but even then we forced their keeper to kick it out of play a few times. 

    Berry is hopefully going to be a bit more traditionally creative, with that bit of extra quality. 

    As for Coventry, his job isn’t really to create, but he still made some nice passes from deep, in particular one in behind to Ramsay that led to a half chance 
    Need more movement from the two up top if that's how we plan to score goals. We won the ball back a few times in advanced positions and the 2 strikers just stood still.
    Tyreece looked a bit lost as Wigan didn't wilt as quickly under the press as Pompey did so his space was more limited. He ran into the channels but tended to get out there and stay there like a winger instead of timing his movements to drag defenders away from where they want to be like Kanu or Godden would have. There will be games where we're dominant and Tyreece has a field day but when teams are more organised I think we'll see smarter movement from Godden, with TC hopefully learning his new position as the season goes on.
  • fenaddick said:
    Just catching up on Charlton Live and Louis Mendez mentioned that TC was playing through illness on Saturday, might explain why he wasn't quite as effective as hoped
    Contextualises his performance a bit more but makes me wonder why he was preferred over DK, I felt DK would have had a lot more joy than TC ever did if he started, sure Nath has his reasons though! 
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  • There will always be a mix of positivity and negativity - a fundamental part of the human condition. Winning, in what was probably the most soulless ground I've ever been to, is all that matters, and I would be very happy if we are crowned the most boring team in the history of the third division, devoid of any creativity, if we get out of this pub league.

    I hope the Charlton faithful on the train back to Euston had a pleasant trip - certainly in good voice as we got off at Crewe :)
  • We will play like England, poor play from start but win. At the end of the season we will start playing exciting football then lose promotion  🥴
  • PopIcon said: in
    We scraped a 1 nill win in the opening fixture last season. I vaguely remember having more enthusiasm after that match than i do today.

    A midfield of Coventry, Docherty and Anderson are going to create very little. I struggle to see where goals are going to come from.
    I am happy we scraped a win however I totally agree with you re lack of creativity in midfield, we could have played until midnight and not scored however a defensive mix up solved the problem for us
    Campbell was unlucky with his chance. I thought we looked solid and like the shape of the midfield.
  • fenaddick said:
    Just catching up on Charlton Live and Louis Mendez mentioned that TC was playing through illness on Saturday, might explain why he wasn't quite as effective as hoped
    I doubt he would have started ahead of Kanu if he was ill. 

    Learning a new position in pre-season is very different to competitive games. For now, I'd like TC to be a 20/30 minute impact sub rather than starter. It might suit his style more and he could be provided with specific instructions when coming on. 
  • mendonca said:
    fenaddick said:
    Just catching up on Charlton Live and Louis Mendez mentioned that TC was playing through illness on Saturday, might explain why he wasn't quite as effective as hoped
    I doubt he would have started ahead of Kanu if he was ill. 

    Learning a new position in pre-season is very different to competitive games. For now, I'd like TC to be a 20/30 minute impact sub rather than starter. It might suit his style more and he could be provided with specific instructions when coming on. 
    NJ said it himself later in the pod, obviously we don't know how ill but no reason to doubt him.
  • Yann897 said:
    PopIcon said: in
    We scraped a 1 nill win in the opening fixture last season. I vaguely remember having more enthusiasm after that match than i do today.

    A midfield of Coventry, Docherty and Anderson are going to create very little. I struggle to see where goals are going to come from.
    I am happy we scraped a win however I totally agree with you re lack of creativity in midfield, we could have played until midnight and not scored however a defensive mix up solved the problem for us
    Campbell was unlucky with his chance. I thought we looked solid and like the shape of the midfield.
    I was a bit unsure on the midfield shape. Docherty was playing the furthest forward which I’m not sure suits him. I’d probably have preferred Anderson there as he’s so good at pressing from the front and I think still not quite ready for that deeper role 


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    Watched it on telly, found it really boring, was delighted we scored, but if we played that game 10 times, we probably don't win it nine times out of ten if you catch my drift. We limited their chances, but we also had limited chances, and it was a game that lacked real quality. 

    No complaints if this style gets us promoted, but it's going to be a long old season if that's the football being produced, and the end result isn't promotion. That said, away win, clean sheet and an opening day win. It doesn't get much better than that objectively. 

    On a final note, I keep saying people say 'a typical away performance' etc. Why is our playstyle relevant to when we travel away in league 1? No disrespect to Wigan, as I don't mind then, but the DW Stadium isn't exactly a cauldron, and they don't have a reputation for being a class side at home. The 'away performance' is best suited when you go to grounds like Anfield, the Bernabéu etc. If we do have a style of play, and a way Nathan Jones expects us to play, it shouldn't be halted by playing away in any league 1 ground. At least in my opinion anyway. I'd like to see us being playing good football home and away.
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  • Way too early to draw conclusions but if I were to, I would say that our games are likely to be quite low scoring with a robust defence first approach 
  • I think the argument about needing a 10 has been done to death and obviously not in NJ plans.  Less so the option of 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 if behind. Regardless of either, I'd buy Thelo Aasgaard and shoehorn him somewhere in the side. He is a talent.
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  • edited August 12
    Watched it on telly, found it really boring, was delighted we scored, but if we played that game 10 times, we probably don't win it nine times out of ten if you catch my drift. We limited their chances, but we also had limited chances, and it was a game that lacked real quality. 

    No complaints if this style gets us promoted, but it's going to be a long old season if that's the football being produced, and the end result isn't promotion. That said, away win, clean sheet and an opening day win. It doesn't get much better than that objectively. 

    On a final note, I keep saying people say 'a typical away performance' etc. Why is our playstyle relevant to when we travel away in league 1? No disrespect to Wigan, as I don't mind then, but the DW Stadium isn't exactly a cauldron, and they don't have a reputation for being a class side at home. The 'away performance' is best suited when you go to grounds like Anfield, the Bernabéu etc. If we do have a style of play, and a way Nathan Jones expects us to play, it shouldn't be halted by playing away in any league 1 ground. At least in my opinion anyway. I'd like to see us being playing good football home and away.
    In case you havnt noticed we’re also a league one team and have been for a while. What’s more we havnt been a very good one either. Of course we’ll have a tactic away from home. We aren’t going to blow teams out of the water every week.
    No one needs to remind me, that we are a league 1 team 😂

    I don't see why we can't, plenty of teams have managed it in this division, ourselves included. Like I said, it's just an expectation on my part and a bit of an observation.

    fenaddick said:
    Watched it on telly, found it really boring, was delighted we scored, but if we played that game 10 times, we probably don't win it nine times out of ten if you catch my drift. We limited their chances, but we also had limited chances, and it was a game that lacked real quality. 

    No complaints if this style gets us promoted, but it's going to be a long old season if that's the football being produced, and the end result isn't promotion. That said, away win, clean sheet and an opening day win. It doesn't get much better than that objectively. 

    On a final note, I keep saying people say 'a typical away performance' etc. Why is our playstyle relevant to when we travel away in league 1? No disrespect to Wigan, as I don't mind then, but the DW Stadium isn't exactly a cauldron, and they don't have a reputation for being a class side at home. The 'away performance' is best suited when you go to grounds like Anfield, the Bernabéu etc. If we do have a style of play, and a way Nathan Jones expects us to play, it shouldn't be halted by playing away in any league 1 ground. At least in my opinion anyway. I'd like to see us being playing good football home and away.
    They were the 7th best home team in the league last year, winning 13 of their games (Bolton, Pompey & Derby top 3 winning 15). If you can beat 7 out of the top 10 home teams away from home then your promotion chances are done a world of good. 

    I agree that we should be playing better football but it's the first game of the season and we ground out a result. For years we haven't been the type to grind out a result, I think that's why there's so much optimism.
    Just shows how poor this league is that they were 7th home record when they were one of our only 3 Away wins last season and also not a particularly decent side.

    We also ground out a result first game of the season last season as well, didn't end too well. I don't think there's been a single season in my lifetime where we haven't ground out a result(s), and that's the problem to be honest. Not enough hammerings.

    Like I said, objectively it was a good win, but it was a proper boring watch. I hope it improves as the season goes on.
  • I think / hope we might be winning northern away games by a single goal more often than others here are believing. As another poster pointed out, clean sheets and nicking a goal to win a game feels so much more sustainable than a back and forth, 2-3 3-2 or even 3-3 result like we were getting last season. 

    The season we went up as champions under Powell, we won six away games 0-1. Repeat that tally and we might just be onto something…

    Brentford (A), Sheff Wed (A), Exeter (A), Bournemouth (A), Oldham (A) and Carlisle (A) for anyone curious.

    My thoughts exactly, it looked like a Powell performance. Ugly but effective.
  • I think / hope we might be winning northern away games by a single goal more often than others here are believing. As another poster pointed out, clean sheets and nicking a goal to win a game feels so much more sustainable than a back and forth, 2-3 3-2 or even 3-3 result like we were getting last season. 

    The season we went up as champions under Powell, we won six away games 0-1. Repeat that tally and we might just be onto something…

    Brentford (A), Sheff Wed (A), Exeter (A), Bournemouth (A), Oldham (A) and Carlisle (A) for anyone curious.
    Almost all ridiculously stressful games as well. Squeaked past Brentford with BWP's last goal for 3 months, clung on against Weds after a free kick, accidentally scored against Exeter, Yann injury time winner that just barely crossed the line at Bournemouth, 3 red cards at Oldham and then a BWP toe poke on the line at Carlisle. We ended the season with record points but there were a lot of games where we were very fortunate to come away with the win but we forced it anyway and it allowed us to offset all the dropped points against teams we should have been beating like Bury, Rochdale, Tranmere and Oldham, all bleak 1-1s at home.

    We conceded only 36 goals that season and weirdly a 9th of them came at home against Notts County in one game. A strong defence and some nasty 1-0s away at far-flung stadiums is going to be what gets us promotion more than anything else if we get there.
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