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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Get rid. Appoint the captain to select and lead the team until we are actually buying players and save the money.2
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Docherty? No thanks, I'd like to see him gone too. Can't fathom on what grounds he is the captain makes the first team. [edited for clarity]Wheresmeticket said:Get rid. Appoint the captain to select and lead the team until we are actually buying players and save the money.7 -
OK whoever is next in line.Stig said:
Docherty? No thanks, I'd like to see hime gone too. Can't fathom on what grounds he is the captain makes the first team. [edited for clarity]Wheresmeticket said:Get rid. Appoint the captain to select and lead the team until we are actually buying players and save the money.2 -
Has he mentioned Man City recently ? I must have missed this !Smithy said:The Man City comments directly reflect what happened when his time was up at Stoke and Southampton. He runs out of excuses, so falls back on things he has achieved in the past to show that the current situation can't possibly be his fault, because he's a great manager. Given the similarities with his previous failures, it does feel like we've reached the point of no return.0 -
Agreed. But wasn’t this predominantly Jones bringing in players that he had worked with before? That was a large part of it in my opinion.wmcf123 said:
I cannot stand Jones but the recruitment is why we are where we are - we have a truly dreadful squad .Rob said:I know we’ve had a managerial merry go round for years now and we’re sick of it. But, he has to go surely otherwise we’ll be in L2 and then what. I don’t necessarily like Methven, Scott and Co but I don’t think they’re the primary reason that we’re in the playing mess that we’re in right now. I lay that blame 100% on Jones. He promised a lot and has delivered little. Like I said if you live by the sword you die by the sword. I don’t like it but for the good of Charlton he needs to go. I also think we need someone with a Charlton connection in charge. That was one of the reasons I was initially positive about Jones. Because of his Charlton connection when he did a good job for us.But, who do we get!? What a mess we’re in.1 -
When Jones goes it's got to be a full sweep , coaching staff and Scott too. Complete review of why the football side of the club is completely failing , hire a new DoF/Sporting Director whatever Andy Scott's job title is and start afresh. Make sure whoever the next man is can bring their coaching staff with them unlike Garner and Adkins + Jones to a lesser extent not having Chris Cohen.3
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Can’t believe that. What have you seen to suggest that the ownership have lost interest? I think it’s more likely they’ve given him time because of his rhetoric and what he did at Luton. But his time must be running out now.SantaClaus said:Jones should have been sacked weeks ago. That he hasn't been suggests that the ownership have completely lost interest in the club. Worrying times.0 -
Im sure that the ownership are looking very closely at what is going on. They started this season full of hope and expectation ( as did we as fans ) yet before even Xmas has arrived they find themselves in a position where all there is left is negativity. Crowds are falling and even the die hard fans ( as seen on here ) are losing interest like never before, not even during the bad days of Duchelet or even Mouthall have we seen this reaction in terms of losing patience with the team. I really dont think this is down to results its more to do with the performances, CAFC fans can take losing but not watching the shite that NJ is dishing up. Fail to win the next couple of games he will be gone Im sureRob said:
Can’t believe that. What have you seen to suggest that the ownership have lost interest? I think it’s more likely they’ve given him time because of his rhetoric and what he did at Luton. But his time must be running out now.SantaClaus said:Jones should have been sacked weeks ago. That he hasn't been suggests that the ownership have completely lost interest in the club. Worrying times.1 -
Was in his post match interview last nightDucktapeshoerepairs said:
Has he mentioned Man City recently ? I must have missed this !Smithy said:The Man City comments directly reflect what happened when his time was up at Stoke and Southampton. He runs out of excuses, so falls back on things he has achieved in the past to show that the current situation can't possibly be his fault, because he's a great manager. Given the similarities with his previous failures, it does feel like we've reached the point of no return.0 -
He's mentioned it a two or three times including last night.Horsfield9 said:
Was in his post match interview last nightDucktapeshoerepairs said:
Has he mentioned Man City recently ? I must have missed this !Smithy said:The Man City comments directly reflect what happened when his time was up at Stoke and Southampton. He runs out of excuses, so falls back on things he has achieved in the past to show that the current situation can't possibly be his fault, because he's a great manager. Given the similarities with his previous failures, it does feel like we've reached the point of no return.
Clutching at straws0 -
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MarcusH26 said:When Jones goes it's got to be a full sweep , coaching staff and Scott too. Complete review of why the football side of the club is completely failing , hire a new DoF/Sporting Director whatever Andy Scott's job title is and start afresh. Make sure whoever the next man is can bring their coaching staff with them unlike Garner and Adkins + Jones to a lesser extent not having Chris Cohen.
I'm not convinced any of our backroom staff are any good either given what we see every week. Most of our players don't flourish under our coaching methods. The lack of technical ability is shocking even for this level. Lost the dressing room? It amazes me that half of the players manage to find it given that they spend most of their time looking lost.2 -
Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
Using keeping a clean sheet against Man City two years ago to try and deflect the blame away from him and onto the players (who obviously aren't faultless), for getting torn apart by Orient.
Has he mentioned Man City recently ? I must have missed this !Smithy said:The Man City comments directly reflect what happened when his time was up at Stoke and Southampton. He runs out of excuses, so falls back on things he has achieved in the past to show that the current situation can't possibly be his fault, because he's a great manager. Given the similarities with his previous failures, it does feel like we've reached the point of no return.0 -
The whole footballing structure at the club needs to be reviewed. The money men behind this consortium are being taken for a ride if we have the 4th highest budget in the league.
Who’s responsible for signings? It seems a battle of egos when you look at it this summer.
Who’s responsible for outgoings? Deciding Dobson and May weren’t good enough shoes a level of incompetence fit for park football.
What are our coaching staff contributing? Flemings face told a story at the end of the match yesterday.
If we’re persisting with the 8+8+8 model, why are our academy products regressing, despite the first team exposure?
What is Nathan Jones actually contributing?
Where’s Any Scott disappears to?
Why haven’t the ‘improvements’ we keep being told about translating to results on the pitch? We’re two years in now.
Our top to bottom structure is broken and once again we’re in a position where we’re going to have to rip everything up and start again.
It’s pathetic at this point.4 -
Wow ! That’s extraordinary. Up there with mentioning ‘winning our group’ the other week (and not at all attaching it to the papa Smurf/motor Bristols / shit cup thing)Horsfield9 said:
Was in his post match interview last nightDucktapeshoerepairs said:
Has he mentioned Man City recently ? I must have missed this !Smithy said:The Man City comments directly reflect what happened when his time was up at Stoke and Southampton. He runs out of excuses, so falls back on things he has achieved in the past to show that the current situation can't possibly be his fault, because he's a great manager. Given the similarities with his previous failures, it does feel like we've reached the point of no return.0 -
I think it was after our shock win against Birmingham, NJ got on his high horse, calling out fans and said something along the lines of "If they don't want me here, I'll walk".
Well, we don't want you here, so for once in your life be true to your word and put you shoes on and go.
Of course this won't happen as his ego wouldn't allow it and he'd rather wait for the inevitable pay-off.14 -
I can't agree that a new manager is going to help at this stage. Anyone coming in and seeing this squad is going to do the same thing NJ is doing - try to keep it tight and somehow rebound in a goal or two. We don't have the players to do anything else. There is no quality to play through the lines, we don't have the wingers to play with more width - what we do have is a strong CB pairing and about 5 defensive midfielders.
This was a squad problem pointed out in pre-season and it's not going away anytime soon. And I'm not exculpating NJ here, because he's the one that built it.
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True. But I think the question is. Do we continue with Jones or bring somebody else in? For me it’s only going to get worse if no changes are made.Chunes said:I can't agree that a new manager is going to help at this stage. Anyone coming in and seeing this squad is going to do the same thing NJ is doing - try to keep it tight and somehow rebound in a goal or two. We don't have the players to do anything else. There is no quality to play through the lines, we don't have the wingers to play with more width - what we do have is a strong CB pairing and about 5 defensive midfielders.
This was a squad problem pointed out in pre-season and it's not going away anytime soon. And I'm not exculpating NJ here, because he's the one that built it.1 -
I think we need to remember that this job is very important to Jones. His managerial star is falling at an alarming rate. Completely failed at Stoke and Southampton and it’s not looking great at The Valley. He can’t keep living on his Luton successes. The sack or by mutual consent at Charlton leaves him looking at no better than league one or league two with a salary much reduced from what he’s used to. He’ll be desperate to turn this around. Question is can he ?3
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In order to survive we need another 7/8 wins. From a purely pragmatic basis a new manager would probably deliver some of those before the dead weight of dross reasserted itself.
So get rid asap.7 -
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Very similar to how I feel. The back 5 got binned after Bristol Rovers because we were unable to make a forward pass that day. Seems like the back 5 has returned to stop us leaking goals.Chunes said:I can't agree that a new manager is going to help at this stage. Anyone coming in and seeing this squad is going to do the same thing NJ is doing - try to keep it tight and somehow rebound in a goal or two. We don't have the players to do anything else. There is no quality to play through the lines, we don't have the wingers to play with more width - what we do have is a strong CB pairing and about 5 defensive midfielders.
This was a squad problem pointed out in pre-season and it's not going away anytime soon. And I'm not exculpating NJ here, because he's the one that built it.
Only real option is spinning the wheel and trying to get lucky in the window with us some academy loans from premier league to offer some creativity.2 -
Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.4 -
So many problems, the manager, the SMT, the fact we have a massive squad who are 95% average/poor league one players that we can't shift.0
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Everything starts at the top and I'm expecting the owners will have put Gavin Carter in to sort out the top first.
Decide how effective the strategy is, update it if needed on a regular basis and manage it through. Keep or put in place an Exec team to make that happen.
Without any inside knowledge but through my supporters eyes I think the playing side needs an overhaul. I don't see enough or think enough about the commercial side to have anything to add there. Or on the sports science side either.
On the playing side I think we need change at the top:-
Recruitment for the first team has been patchy at best. We've done great getting in the likes of Alfie May, Lloyd Jones, Connor Coventry and Alex Mitchell but have we had too many duds? I'd say so and even if we're about 'average' for duds I'd say that's not good enough. Can we not build a better jigsaw when assembling a squad? If too many of the pieces are the same shape we'll never be able to complete a pretty picture.
In the end though, recruitment can never be a perfect science and our coaching staff have to work with who they've got and they have to cope with whatever the injury situation is. Every squad for every team in the land is capable of over performing and underperforming. Do we have the manager and coaches who can get the best out of the squad on a consistent enough basis? On the evidence so far this season, I'd say not. If that's true then something must change and hopefully change quickly. Would changing the playing style and tactics do the trick? Perhaps it would........ and for the current manager and coaching team this may be their last chance saloon.
How about recruitment and retention for the Academy? In the past it's been great but going forward what can we do to improve? It must be so much harder now to identify, sign and retain youngsters than ten or twenty years ago?
What about the coaching side for the academy? Is it unreasonable to expect them to turn out youngsters who can pass to teammates, who can anticipate and read the run/bounce of the ball, who can keep the ball better?
And all this stuff is probably only scratching the surface. I wish you all the best Mr Carter, you have a heck of a challenge facing you.1 -
Jones keeps prompting 'athleticism' as a requirement from his players, but they are anything but; midfield is white, short-arsed and slow. Potts is not an athlete despite being a reasonable player. Neither is REG who I'm sure would have been sanctioned by NJ despite signing prior. Godden is not an athlete. Ahadme must be the slowest striker in L1.
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I have said this a few times on here over the years; I am sure (and will always remain so) that Jones's so called success at Luton was more down to Mick Harford than to the Woeful Welsh Wizard3
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Agree with this sentiment but Jones isn’t the one to commit to.hezzla said:Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.2 -
It’s Ahadme and Docherty that are the awful signings and I’d like to know who was responsible for those .Rob said:
Agreed. But wasn’t this predominantly Jones bringing in players that he had worked with before? That was a large part of it in my opinion.wmcf123 said:
I cannot stand Jones but the recruitment is why we are where we are - we have a truly dreadful squad .Rob said:I know we’ve had a managerial merry go round for years now and we’re sick of it. But, he has to go surely otherwise we’ll be in L2 and then what. I don’t necessarily like Methven, Scott and Co but I don’t think they’re the primary reason that we’re in the playing mess that we’re in right now. I lay that blame 100% on Jones. He promised a lot and has delivered little. Like I said if you live by the sword you die by the sword. I don’t like it but for the good of Charlton he needs to go. I also think we need someone with a Charlton connection in charge. That was one of the reasons I was initially positive about Jones. Because of his Charlton connection when he did a good job for us.But, who do we get!? What a mess we’re in.5 -
I think it’s fair to say Jones has been responsible for all the business this summer. I remember him saying that some in the club doubted that Docherty could be an attacking midfielder. Turns out those doubters were correct.wmcf123 said:
It’s Ahadme and Docherty that are the awful signings and I’d like to know who was responsible for those .Rob said:
Agreed. But wasn’t this predominantly Jones bringing in players that he had worked with before? That was a large part of it in my opinion.wmcf123 said:
I cannot stand Jones but the recruitment is why we are where we are - we have a truly dreadful squad .Rob said:I know we’ve had a managerial merry go round for years now and we’re sick of it. But, he has to go surely otherwise we’ll be in L2 and then what. I don’t necessarily like Methven, Scott and Co but I don’t think they’re the primary reason that we’re in the playing mess that we’re in right now. I lay that blame 100% on Jones. He promised a lot and has delivered little. Like I said if you live by the sword you die by the sword. I don’t like it but for the good of Charlton he needs to go. I also think we need someone with a Charlton connection in charge. That was one of the reasons I was initially positive about Jones. Because of his Charlton connection when he did a good job for us.But, who do we get!? What a mess we’re in.15 -
I'm sorry, white? Why has that been mentioned, what's the relevanceGisappointed said:Jones keeps prompting 'athleticism' as a requirement from his players, but they are anything but; midfield is white, short-arsed and slow. Potts is not an athlete despite being a reasonable player. Neither is REG who I'm sure would have been sanctioned by NJ despite signing prior. Godden is not an athlete. Ahadme must be the slowest striker in L1.21
